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Apparently, Riot is going to stage a Ionia VS. Noxus rematch that is happening within the lore with real players on December 10th. It will be streamed and commentated by Phreak, and the outcome will determine the direction of the lore, as well as choose what new item will come out next.
I am actually very intrigued and excited. I think this is such a great way to get people more involved and interested in the lore of LoL, which is obviously good for the game. It would make this fictional conflict look real, and LoL would transcend the individual matches to a long piece of fictional storyline that the players help shape.
My only concern is that I find LoL not very fun to watch....lol maybe I have been spoiled by SC.
Source: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/ionianoxus2010
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From the roster, it looks like noxus will win O_O
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On November 28 2010 08:04 Abenson wrote: From the roster, it looks like noxus will win O_O It's drafted with a single ban, so its not like the entire lineups are relevant. There are enough good champs on the Ionian team for them to take this.
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Assassins vs Tanks? Can't be a close match.
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"The eligible champions have been determined, and now all focus has shifted to who will guide them through this momentous battle. The League is currently soliciting entries from select summoners to represent both Ionia and Noxus."
Makes it sound like there were applications or something, kind of sad I missed out, sounds like it would be fun.
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Noxians. I hate those guys.
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On November 28 2010 08:08 spinesheath wrote: Assassins vs Tanks? Can't be a close match.
Ionia will get 4 of Udyr, Amumu, Ashe, Kennen and Shen. Sona really should be in place of one of the other champs, but I guess they knew it'd make teams too imbalanced. 3x Global ult Ionia seems like the stronger team.
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The problem with Noxus is they only have one high tier tank: Rammus. Coincidentally, their only other great jungler is Shaco who's easy to counter-jungle and has a limited impact late game. Banning Rammus almost forces Noxus to take Shaco and Singed (probably a better tank than Sion). If Rammus is banned, Noxus would probably field a team of Shaco, Singed, Morgana, one of the ranged carries, and probably Vlad or Sion.
Alternatively, a Morgana ban gives Noxus a lot more flexibility in their team comp, but Ionia has some good anti-carries so they can kill Kog'Maw or MF easier.
The problem with Ionia is they have too many solo laners. They also only have one great AP champion and one great ranged AD champion. A ban on Amumu is always strong but it would make for easy champion picks: Udyr Kennen Ashe Shen Akali is a good team comp.
Otherwise things get tricky, because they'd want Amumu which means they can't take Udyr. If Noxus bans Kennen, Akali will be the only source of magic damage. They'd probably have to do something like Amumu Shen Ashe Akali Irelia/Soraka/Yi. This is probably Noxus's strongest ban.
If Noxus bans Ashe, then Ionia will need to turn to Ezreal for physical damage. This is probably a bad idea for Noxus though, because the Amumu Kennen combo will probably melt face and Ezreal can do decent damage to squishies. Something else Ionia could try is Soraka babysitting Master Yi and try to farm him up.
Of course, chances are the winning side will be whoever CLG plays, so this team comp theorycrafting is probably useless.
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Couldn't Ionia try something like AP Ez if Akali won't be good against Noxus? It's not like he's the worst champ in the game, and Akali would have a really rough time getting a snipe against a Singed+Morg+Flash babysit.
edit: Team Noxus also missing Swain. WTF? Urgot I understand (terrible), Warwick I kind of understand (JoJ story), but where the hell is Jericho Swain?
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Yeah, this seems like it should be pretty fun... here's hoping the teams are made up of players with similar skill and experience playing together.
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On November 28 2010 08:57 Niton wrote: Couldn't Ionia try something like AP Ez if Akali won't be good against Noxus? It's not like he's the worst champ in the game, and Akali would have a really rough time getting a snipe against a Singed+Morg+Flash babysit.
edit: Team Noxus also missing Swain. WTF? Urgot I understand (terrible), Warwick I kind of understand (JoJ story), but where the hell is Jericho Swain? Swain's kind of lackluster too tho. I doubt Swain would even be considered even if he was on the roster.
Personally, I think Ionia has a better chance simply because a Rammus ban will screw over Noxus pretty hard as the only tank they have left are more of offtanks. I mean, sure they have two of the best carries but against a balanced team...eh iunno.
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noxus can't lose. morgana. are you kidding me? freewin
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The problem is that a ban on rammus will be just as effective as a ban on Ashe because Ionia only really has 1 good ranged dps (Ashe) and noxus has a ton of options for CC to make ezreal or yi a pile of goo.
I'd be afraid of Noxus decided to run MF, Leblanc, Shaco, Sion, and Morgana. thats 2 roots, a long silence, an aoe fear, a very easy to land stun, and a lot of damage.
Personally I think the best thing Noxus could do is ban udyr and force an amumu or yi to jungle and have shaco just counter jungle hard.
On the flip side if Noxus doesn't ban Irelia and Rammus is banned there is really no good way for Noxus to deal with a late game Irelia because she can shake off all the cc in team fights pretty easily.
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Ionia's problem is their dps. They just don't have the raw damage output of Noxus. It will come down to how well they cc and position themselves, because Ionia does seem to have better utility classes.
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What bullshit.
Show nested quote +In addition to deciding the outcome of the conflict between Ionia and Noxus, the winning team will have the opportunity to select one of two items that will be added to the game in an upcoming patch. What...? How is this a good way to make game balance decisions? I'm especially confused because riot seems to consider this a tournament game. If both these are well designed items that fulfill a role in the game, why is one of them not making it into the game? If one of them is not so good, why are they running the risk of the winners picking the worse item for the game?
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Presumably, it's two items which fill the same role. Adding both would be redundant, so adding stakes to the match to choose which of the two concepts gets used seems fine.
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If the game were played by two equally-matched top-end teams, I'd bet on Ionia 10/10 :x Ban Rammus and you force a jungle Shaco but top-end teams will play around a Shaco and make him look silly. Nox has a tough choice banning Ashe or Udyr, and I'd really say they'd have to ban Udyr; they have no reliable means of taking him out of the game, and if you leave an Udyr rampant your map control with Shaco goes down under. If they ban Ashe I'd just run Udyr jungle with Sora bottom and pressure with level 3 dragon, you might even be able to run Shen top Amumu bottom and have Ezreal mid and end up with a brutal 2.5 tank + support + Ezreal team with a free map tele from top to drag. Sora+anything is still retarded like that, Amumu gets farmed, you end up with three really good tanks getting decently farmed, so on and so forth.
Meanwhile if you ban Udyr then you open up an Ashe/Kennen nightmare, or if they're confident they could even run something retarded like Shen/Kenn/Sora+Ashe/Amumu, etc. Extremely flexible and consistently nasty.
For Nox' part they're caught in a tight spot between wanting to babysit their two strong carries (MF/Kog) yet only having one true tank (Singed), one support spell (Morg's BS), and one reliable stun (Sion). Their best chance is probably to run something homosexual like double carry, but then you'd need a tank jungler, which Shaco is unfortunately not. A big alternative for them is to run jungle Sion, but only a handful of people know how to do it reliably, and he's not really a tank anyways. So then you're looking at something like Morg/Kog/Singed+MF(for DU+MIR->Toss)/Shaco... but then I feel like unless the Shaco is godly he'll be QQing about no disables on his lanes (with the exception of bottom). And assuming Ionia's not stupid and they bring Soraka that's gonna be a terribly annoying lane anyways.
Edit: The tragedy for Nox is they only have one top-tier jungler while Ionia has at least two (+Yi if played well, Akali if they want to snipe carries, or maybe Irelia, but I haven't played since she was patched in so just speculating there). And that top-tier jungler is their only top-tier tank (Rammus) and is an obvious ban. Couple this with Ionia having the only support hero in the matchup and you end up with a pretty lopsided lineup.
Nox may even have to think hard about banning Soraka; one team having a support hero while the other does not often leads to some very, very bad times.
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Am I the only one who doesn't understand this? Or maybe it's because I'm a little drunk. Who is actually playing in this match? Woudln' that matter more than actual champ selection unless the skill is equal?
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Ya can I get in on this, I need some rp.
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The whole selecting players confuses me a bit. Is it just going to be CLG vs Epik/HMOF? Or will it be 10 1200 ranked summoners?
Guess we have to wait to see.
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My guess is they'll take 10 people from the highest solo ranked or something and give em a bit to use the heroes of the side they're playing on to adjust n what not, within restrictions.
IMO, it'd be a lot more interesting to have batched up teams that kinda work with each other over teams that work perfectly in line.
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After banning Morgana on Noxus, Ionia seems like the stronger team.
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Yay i'm not the only one thinking Ionia is NOT the underdog at all because they have awesome champ synergy while Noxus just has a lot of very good soloers
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Any interest for this if I host this for the next inhouse on the 4th next weekend?
Use Riot's Noxus vs Ionia champion pool. 1 Ban per team. 20 player sign up with subs. 2 Noxian and 2 Ionian teams. Round robin format.
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FOR DEMACI.... I mean IONIA!
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On November 29 2010 00:47 NeoIllusions wrote: Any interest for this if I host this for the next inhouse on the 4th next weekend?
Use Riot's Noxus vs Ionia champion pool. 1 Ban per team. 20 player sign up with subs. 2 Noxian and 2 Ionian teams. Round robin format.
I like this!
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So, looking at the lineups for Ionia and Noxus, the champions I'd ban on each team are:
Ionia: Kennen. Like Morgana and Vlad, he's a good early laner, deals magic damage, has AoE damage capacity and is a tough caster. Unlike Morgana and Vlad, he doesn't have a good replacement on his team if he gets banned, leaving Ionia magic-damage impaired (Akali deals magic damage, but it's mostly single-target, and AP Ezreal doesn't measure up to AP Kennen).
Noxus: Morgana. Many people say Rammus, but Rammus' contributions are: - Tank (Singed can also tank) - Good jungle ganker (Shaco can perform this role very well) - Tough (With Singed, Sion, Morgana and Vlad, Noxus isn't exactly hurting for tough champions) So yeah, Rammus is a good champion, but can be replaced without it hurting Noxus too much. Morgana, on the other hand, is a painful ban because, if at all possible, Noxus will want to take both Morgana AND Vlad; banning the better one out of them will not be crippling, but it'll hurt.
With those bans in mind, lineups that look likely to me are:
Ionia: Ashe, Shen, Udyr or Amumu, and 2 more (Akali, Irelia, Ezreal or Yi). Noxus: Vlad, MF or Kog'Maw, Rammus or Shaco, Singed and/or Sion, possibly LeBlanc.
Ionia's lineup looks a bit better to me.
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I could play Shen, Kennen, Ezreal, Amumu, Akali (lol not really) for Ionia. Depends on the time of day/time commitment.
oh and AP Yi :}
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On November 30 2010 01:31 Zato-1 wrote: ... (Akali deals magic damage, but it's mostly single-target, and AP Ezreal doesn't measure up to AP Kennen)...
Actually, Akali's E deals physical damage. She literally has no AoE magic damage whatsoever, it's all single target.
On a different topic, we should keep in mind that this is all taking place after the next patch. If this patch includes jungle nerfs Ionia's jungler advantage may not be as potent.
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Seeing the lineups just makes me wonder if Riot intentionally stacked the Ionian team... after all, if Ionia wins, not much changes in the lore, but a hell of a lot has to be changed if Noxus pulls it out.
Still, this should be fun to watch.
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On November 30 2010 01:31 Zato-1 wrote: So yeah, Rammus is a good champion, but can be replaced without it hurting Noxus too much.
Without Rammus Nox only has one "tank" (Singed), no good initiator, and an extremely vulnerable/weak jungle unless it's Regi or Aruss playing Shaco.
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Did I miss something or did they put this farce on the front page and not the 7000 USD Newegg tournament?
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On November 30 2010 10:51 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 01:31 Zato-1 wrote: So yeah, Rammus is a good champion, but can be replaced without it hurting Noxus too much. Without Rammus Nox only has one "tank" (Singed), no good initiator, and an extremely vulnerable/weak jungle unless it's Regi or Aruss playing Shaco. Sion is quite tanky, and Sion stun > Singed Fling (or Sion stun > Dark Binding) sounds like a good way to force a teamfight (or get a free kill if the enemy team decides not to engage).
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Sion's either tanky and useless or not-tanky and painful, and he's a terrible initiator because he gets cut down really fast and loses half his damage output. Not to mention as established time and again blowing a single-target stun to START a fight is rarely the best way to use one of your disables. Particularly against heavy ranged firepower what you'll instead see is Sion go in, stun someone, then die. That's not initiating, that's trying-really-hard-to-initiate-because-your-team-has-no-initiation. Also, good ranged carry players (whom are your real main target for that combo anyways, unless you're gonna fling Udyr, lol) will just Flash that shit off anyways, so you're asking to get baited.
Edit: Further complicating matters is that any well-built Ionian team will have a multitude of disables to prevent your initiation from actually kicking in. Singed comes in, Soraka silences! ololol. Or Singed comes in, Shen taunts him and Sion and happiness follows!
This is especially wonderful when you consider Ionia will have either Ashe or Ezreal, both notoriously great targets for melee heroes that only have their movement speed to use in getting to them, with the exception of Flash.
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On November 30 2010 04:07 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 01:31 Zato-1 wrote: ... (Akali deals magic damage, but it's mostly single-target, and AP Ezreal doesn't measure up to AP Kennen)... Actually, Akali's E deals physical damage. She literally has no AoE magic damage whatsoever, it's all single target. On a different topic, we should keep in mind that this is all taking place after the next patch. If this patch includes jungle nerfs Ionia's jungler advantage may not be as potent.
It does not include jungle nerfs. They have not been tested on the PTR yet.
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Neoillusions hwaiting~
EDIT: For Ionia the Summoners are Poruku, NeoIllusions, Eclipse, Frozt, and Guardsman Bob. For Noxus its Vorath, Edwy, Roku, Poisonidon, and Friend
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On November 29 2010 00:47 NeoIllusions wrote: Any interest for this if I host this for the next inhouse on the 4th next weekend?
Use Riot's Noxus vs Ionia champion pool. 1 Ban per team. 20 player sign up with subs. 2 Noxian and 2 Ionian teams. Round robin format. I wish I wouldn't have missed this thread. I wanted to play Ezreal.
I really hope he gets picked by someone on Ionia so I can see someone try to play him against 'good' champions. Any idea of who they got to fill the player spots? Do you think they went for the top 10 ladder people or something?
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Any idea of who they got to fill the player spots?
Do you really not read?
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GO NEO! I made a banner specially for you with my pro MS-paint skills: Isn't it cute?
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On December 09 2010 01:08 dnastyx wrote:Do you really not read?
I do read. However, I did miss you editing your post.
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On December 09 2010 01:21 Kaniol wrote:GO NEO! I made a banner specially for you with my pro MS-paint skills: Isn't it cute?
o.O
is this supposed to take 6 million years to load? why do i get the feeling you're trolling me.....
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I want to see Neo playing Ashe and missing Volleys like nobody else's business.
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On December 09 2010 02:44 Southlight wrote: I want to see Neo playing Ashe and missing Volleys like nobody else's business.
How do you miss volleys? I don't plan on playing the carry. No worries Uta.
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On December 09 2010 01:21 Virtue wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 01:08 dnastyx wrote:Any idea of who they got to fill the player spots? Do you really not read? I do read. However, I did miss you editing your post.
Touche. No hard feelings <3<3<3
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On December 09 2010 02:56 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 02:44 Southlight wrote: I want to see Neo playing Ashe and missing Volleys like nobody else's business. How do you miss volleys? I don't plan on playing the carry. No worries Uta.
The same way a 1600+ player lands one Tibbers over a 40 minute game.
I was actually disappointed because I noticed there aren't many non-projectile skillshot heroes on Ionia Ashe's Volley was the best I could do. I tried
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dont even know who friend is besides a council member, but based on those teams noxus got this easy
poruku is literally one of the worst players ive ever seen throughout my year or so of playing this game
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Frozt and GMB are both better than anyone on Noxus though (as far as I recognize at least).
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Frozt is going to play ashe, udyr, or yi I'm pretty sure.
and
Vorath isn't very good at all..
He's arguably worse than me, and I'm not even good.
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When exactly is this game played? Like, in how many hours from now?
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The Noxian team will be represented by summoners Vorath, Edwy, Roku, Poisonidon, and Friend.
The Ionian team will be represented by summoners Poruku, NeoIllusions, Eclipse, Frozt, and Guardsman Bob.
nuuubs =P
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The match is at 6PM PST tomorrow iirc
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Damn 1AM of a Friday in Spain .
Will have to wait for replay.
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Want Neo to win and all for TL, but also want to buy Vlad on sale.
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On December 10 2010 09:27 GnaR wrote:Want Neo to win and all for TL, but also want to buy Vlad on sale. 
The showmatch is being held on a private realm. Too bad they registered our "new" accounts with the same summoner name as the main realm. Otherwise, I would totally plug TeamLiquid as "TL Neo", huk.
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WIN IT FOR DEMACIAAAAAA!!!
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On December 10 2010 09:27 GnaR wrote:Want Neo to win and all for TL, but also want to buy Vlad on sale.  Wasting RP on champs isn't worth it, sooner or later you will buy them.
GO NEO! For TL. Do you feel the tension?
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what time does it start? and can I get a link for the livestream? Please and ty!
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Phreak says Doran as Duran on the stream. It is offical there is a connection between Sc2 and LoL!
Phreak is saying Obs mode is in the making and that the current for riot only mode is not the final one.
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You scared the shit out of me. I'm double and triple checking the time while saying "It shouldn't be on yet!!"
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Ionia bans: Rammus Noxus bans: Shen
(wtf, I got sniped)
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when does it start exactly??
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Noxus wins coin flip, they are blue team.
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On December 11 2010 10:37 Senx wrote: when does it start exactly??
20 minutes, give or take.
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so the items that will be for sale after the match (the winner picks an item) are a boot (most likely flash boots?) and a doran's item... potentially a MR doran item? that'd be cool
should be a fun match
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It's starting :D
GOGO Neo !!
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wow did they really just turn off the mic when the game is starting?
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nvm they fixed it now
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While I'm enjoying the match the 'lore' commentator talking about the whole noxius/ionia thing is getting very annoying.
I mean.
It's a video game. >.>
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Ye, the Lore commentator is so fail.
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Why would the Noxians initiate then, so bad. =/
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GO IONIA <3
Frozt is such a sick ashe, holy reflexes..
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is neo even playing? as far as i can tell it's just udyr v 5 and udyr is stomping
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udyr is carrying like the beast he is
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"Warwick was captured and tortured with mind altering chemicals" rofl
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Why is this commentary so bad LOL
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ROFL gg riot servers wp poor vlad
figures they'd have a disconnect in this big hyped live event.
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Oh man this lore commentator... vlad dc's and "oh no theres a problem with the summoning orb blabla" getting abit annoying.
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Well it seems as though the team comp issues people were talking about from the beginning really hit home. Lack of WW to counter Udyr really made all the difference...
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On December 11 2010 11:39 ArC_man wrote: "Do we wait or keel?"
wait 4 now
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Neo's amumu waddling around extra cute :3
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LOL
Neo: "Do we wait or keel?" Phreak: "Wait for now."
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oh man Udyr's gonna get nerfed so hard after this lol
Neo feeding like a boss
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In before FotM Udyr played by EVERYONE. LOL NEO FIRST DEATH TOO GOOD
:D
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Nooooooooooo Neo dies for the first kill for the other team lol.
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Neo feeding in the name of TL, WTF :>
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Cassiopeia VO Teaser wat?
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Wow, that game was so one sided. All of Noxus apart from MF were so fail.
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lmfao at them not including a real jungler for noxus poor guys
also come on neo you're making TL look bad
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I' guessed that if Rammus was banned it would be an uphill battle but that was....pitiful 
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Well... that wasn't worth not sleeping. Especially with this lore commentator.
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That match was pretty much entirely what you'd expect when you have Roku + unranked - 1300 summoners versus two 1800 summoners + 1500-1600 summoners. Ionia's two 1800s went 9/1 9/0 and everyone on Noxus fed horribly other than Roku.
Great picks for summoners Riot.
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On December 11 2010 11:49 gtrsrs wrote: lmfao at them not including a real jungler for noxus poor guys
also come on neo you're making TL look bad They could have picked shaco....
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Two deaths.
Two?
TWO FUCKING DEATHS WTF NEO TL IS ASHAMED OF YOU.
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Grats Neo, poll for item?
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On December 11 2010 11:52 deth2munkies wrote: Grats Neo, poll for item? What are the choices?
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On December 11 2010 11:52 deth2munkies wrote: Grats Neo, poll for item?
CDR Boots
or
Doran's item with Spell Vamp
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hmmm CDR boots? don't see much use for those. i expect they'll take the doran's item
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How is spell vamp any more useful? lol.
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So playing with Jatt makes you pro Udyr.
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CDR Boots? Ill stick to Mercs.
Bad game btw, should have been BO3 or something.
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CDR BOOTS omg alistar nerf inc
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CDR boots way more useful than spell vamp doran's.
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wow jesus christ the "lore" guy needs to shut up i can tell he's the fat jolly kid who gets wayyyyy too excited about MTG/anime and writes fanfiction and he is literally ruining this entire event.
every time he said "gankstah!!!" i died a little inside
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Those boots need to be called Guardsman's (boot name).
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Doran's item was +100 HP, +100 MP, 15% Spell Vamp
15% CDR Boots, built like Sorc's.
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What champion would one use those boots on? Zilean???
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That Doran's item would be good on Kennen?
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Dreams of doing completely goofy caster jungles just got stomped
Edit: advice for next noxian/ionian fight, ditch the lore caster pls
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Support champs like Janna could definitely use those boots
Olaf could use those boots as well.
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What did they say about some other match in a half an hour, did I hear that right?
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doran's item is NDAed?
Edit: missed Neo post
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On December 11 2010 12:04 -Kato- wrote: That Doran's item would be good on Kennen?
+100 MP best item on kennen
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15% spellvamp might have made a enabled or improved a few junglers
Amumu Singed Fiddle ? Morgana Vlad ? Ryze?
However, 3 of these on Anivia or Kass would have been extremely strong, 45% spell vamp is 3 gunblades worth of vamp.
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Ionian team had higher ranked summoners.. It was such a onesided match not even fun to watch :
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On December 11 2010 11:57 HazMat wrote: So playing with Jatt makes you pro Udyr.
Lol yep. Jatt is crazy good at udyr.
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Wow, had no idea we had a TLer part of that showmatch. Roku had a streaming session where he answered a billion questions about the match. So i'm kind of curious about the other side of the match.
Did you expect the ban on Shen? What sorts of comps was your team prepping? Noxus apparently had prepared their comp because they were expecting the ban on Rammus.
Were you nervous during the match at all? There were well over 4k viewers on the Riot Stream. When it did feel like Ionia had the game locked up?
In terms of coordination, did you have 1 designated leader who would call stuff out? Or was it like a committee sort of communication? Noxus' side was just Roku talking apparently which definitely doesn't help if you're trying to call everything out.
Other than that, not much else for me to say. I unfortunately stopped watching after the Vlad D/c although I probably should have stopped after the second dragon fight, Lol @ singed 1v4. G_G btw, solid beatdown.
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Yeah, kinda disappointed, would definitely prefer that spellvamp doran for more diverse jungling.
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From what I heard, there were 25,000 concurrent viewers. I think the streams just have trouble displaying the correct number sometimes after a certain point.
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On December 11 2010 17:37 JL13 wrote:Did you expect the ban on Shen? What sorts of comps was your team prepping? Noxus apparently had prepared their comp because they were expecting the ban on Rammus. No, personally I expected them to ban ashe and force us into some not great team comp (ezreal is not even good when played by someone who is good at him, and we didnt even have someoen who is good at him). Our comp would lilely have been frozt jungle yi and me mid udyr! In case of udyr ban I would jungle mummy and shen would be bot.
Were you nervous during the match at all? There were well over 4k viewers on the Riot Stream. When it did feel like Ionia had the game locked up? I have won 10 monthly tournaments in guildwars, so I have gotten past the whole being nervous before/in a match, my biggest problem is lack of sleep due to excesive theory crafting the day before.
In terms of coordination, did you have 1 designated leader who would call stuff out? Or was it like a committee sort of communication? Noxus' side was just Roku talking apparently which definitely doesn't help if you're trying to call everything out. Without attempting to take credit for anyone else's performance, I did take the lead in making sure everyones rune/mastery/item build made sense, as well as me and frozt calling out when and where to ward, other than that I just kept track of dragon respawntime, (type it in team chat when it dies for easy reference), and made sure everyone shopped / was ready to go for it in time before it spawned.
If you pay close attention before the first dragon fight, you iwll notice kennen comming down from top lane as we are about to do it, that is me setting our team up to do dragon before the other team is ready to respond, had the enemy team done the same before us the match could easily have swung thier way (notice that we all got super low in that fight and fights before that)
After we got the 5 - 0 lead plus a dragon in our favor the game was essentially (save for a DC or really poor play over'), we could simply sit back and wait for a few more dragons to further the lead before pushing for the win).
Other than that, not much else for me to say. I unfortunately stopped watching after the Vlad D/c although I probably should have stopped after the second dragon fight, Lol @ singed 1v4. G_G btw, solid beatdown. 1v4 is possible, you just need the power of locket! (you missed out and such a good ending!
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Yeah thanks for posting here GuardsmanBob, need you to write an udyr guide for us! Outleveling solos was so so sick.
Also, fast forward to the end for hilarity.
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SUPER sad about the item pick. CDR boots?!?! R U 4 RELA. That is SO boring. WTF. Why would you do that?!
Can you imagine all the intense trolling that could've gone down with spell vamp @ lvl 1. Ionia, I am disappoint. I bet if those cool Noxians would've won they'd have picked spell vamp.
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On December 12 2010 01:35 Chrispy wrote: SUPER sad about the item pick. CDR boots?!?! R U 4 RELA. That is SO boring. WTF. Why would you do that?!
Can you imagine all the intense trolling that could've gone down with spell vamp @ lvl 1. Ionia, I am disappoint. I bet if those cool Noxians would've won they'd have picked spell vamp.
I think the CDR boots are viable as a replacement for merc treads in caster builds that run void staff. But yes, the Doran item certainly seemed like it would change the game more.
And welcome to Guardsman Bob -- next time I write your name in an IH thread I won't have to list you as "No TL Account (Guardsman Bob)"!
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Riot considers making nonstacking CC reduction on certain items. That would mean that Mercs wouldn´t be the ONLY source of CC reduction. There are even experiments with CC reduction Quints!
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A cheap source of spell vamp would have been really nice but also really early CDR helps some champions as well I guess it depends on how cheap they are if they're rather cheap then it kind of makes sense as you can get a codex and CDR boots for a ton of CDR in the early game. This would help out champs like kayle hitting cap for E.
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As much as I would have liked to see what would have happened with Doran's Amulet, CDR boots might help shape a Magma chamber without the Golem clutch.
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Cool, nice to have my questions answered. Congrats on your win.
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The itemization for the CDR stat isn't very good (the only "mainstream" item you can find it on is Randuin's, and that item is for tanks only), so the CDR boots will be a welcome addition. On the other hand, the itemization for Spell Vamp is atrocious; the Revolver is a lackluster item that builds either into a pretty awful caster item (Will of the Ancients) or into a very character-specific (and even then unimpressive) Hybrid item in the Gunblade. Because of this, the Doran's item with spell vamp on it would've likely revolutionized the spell vamp stat, and might've made it competitive with other, (currently) better stats.
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Here are the stats for the dorans item: 100hp, 100mp, 8% spell vamp
But, many champs who coould use spell vamp dont use mana, this alreayd cuts down who it would make a good starting item for. Additionally dorans ring gives AP and regens more mana in a little over 2 minutes, making it better in almost all situations. And thirdly, I personally dislike dorans items and think they should be nerfed to 50hp, people having less health early makes for more intersting laning.
The boots should cost about the same as beserker graves and tabi, and be 15% CDR, as far as I was told. (this may change).
And yes as the last poster pointed out, quite a few champions have a hard time itemizing CDR (which is a very powerful stat), merc threads are, imo, mostly for champions who need to auto attack.
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That cheap for 15% CDR on lv2 Boots? That is really interesting :o
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The fiction - reality interaction where LoL's story is based on is actually pretty novel, or in practice at least, it's interesting to see how the fantasy world is forged simply by the events that happen in reality. This adds a new dimension to the story telling and everything just suddenly became extremely unpredictable. I was hoping that blizzard would have such type of showmatches where there are representatives from each faction to fight each other to decide the fate of the starcraft universe(idra and ret play as kerrigan and fights against jinro and qxc representing the dominion and hopefully ret defects to domion to create addtional drama in both the matches and the story). but then again, such "progressive" move might turn off a large portion of the audience out there D:
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CDR is such a powerful and (relativly) low capped stat because it takes advantage of skill utility and base values (which are always FAR above what you realistically can get via scaling AP). It´s really nasty on champions with recursive CDR aka Zilean and Xin. Zil might stick to MRPen boots but I´d say Xin will take the Ionian Stompers.
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What about Vlad, CDR boots+Visage = qqqqqq
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they seem pretty sexy on trundle and brolaf too, who already have cc mitigating mechanics and are also quite hungry for that 40% cdr
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On December 11 2010 12:02 NeoIllusions wrote: Doran's item was +100 HP, +100 MP, 15% Spell Vamp
15% CDR Boots, built like Sorc's.
On December 12 2010 12:16 Guardsman Bob wrote: Here are the stats for the dorans item: 100hp, 100mp, 8% spell vamp Oh. If there's just 8% spell vamp on the Doran's item, then that isn't so impressive. I'd also have gone with the boots, in that case
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I'm an EU player so I can't check your profile Guardsman Bob. But I main Udyr, so I am interested in what runes and masteries did you use. And what was your starting item and route that game. If you could spare some time to shortly describe that. thx
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Hey guardsman, I saw that you were running ninja tabi on udyr. What masteries did you run? Did you run 1-12-17 or something like that with points in nimbleness (because udyr's stances are global cd right?). Did you pick it as a response to them just having fortune (can't remember the rest of their heroes) or would you have done it against any ad carry?
Also, did you run dodge seals with those tabi? I think tabi + nimbleness is hawt, but I'm not sure what heroes to run it on + and or I should buy dem dodge seals >_>
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Yeah these tabi were unexpected choice for me, i was sure he'd go mercs. I wanna hear some in-depth explanation why did he do this (except for synergy with udyr's passive)  Maybe it was because IIRC Roku goes IE and uses mostly auto attacks?
BTW Neo now you have play some Ryze in inhouses and show your Champion Ryze skin
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Fun fact: Udyr with dodge yellows, nibleness, tabi and 3x passive has 26% dodge ^_^
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throw a phantom dancer on dat bitch and you got yourself an AD killing machine
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