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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 22 2011 15:29 GMT
#18141
The supports I favor are carry (Sona) so I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with the pstone stack buff. Honestly I would have been fine with hitting pstone's regen really hard but I'm completely at a loss at having my economy shut down by half.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 15:35:09
June 22 2011 15:34 GMT
#18142
On June 23 2011 00:29 Southlight wrote:
The supports I favor are carry (Sona) so I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with the pstone stack buff. Honestly I would have been fine with hitting pstone's regen really hard but I'm completely at a loss at having my economy shut down by half.

Several of the EU teams run Philo+HoG on Sona I believe. Not sure what their runes+masteries are though.

New Skins apparently btw.

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ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 22 2011 15:36 GMT
#18143
I noticed during DH that a lot of Sona players actually don't know how to abuse Sona (need the troll page). The lack of regen and money is going to burn without the double charm opening, while opening Tears is going to wreck the no-farm support. With Sona I'm leaning toward the "it might be worth" taking some farm from the babysit just because she axes lanes so hard tho :/

It was super funny watching Sona struggle against Taric Ashe in DH though. I was like seriously? I'd 1v2 that shit.
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byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
June 22 2011 15:50 GMT
#18144
On June 23 2011 00:36 Southlight wrote:
I noticed during DH that a lot of Sona players actually don't know how to abuse Sona (need the troll page). The lack of regen and money is going to burn without the double charm opening, while opening Tears is going to wreck the no-farm support. With Sona I'm leaning toward the "it might be worth" taking some farm from the babysit just because she axes lanes so hard tho :/

It was super funny watching Sona struggle against Taric Ashe in DH though. I was like seriously? I'd 1v2 that shit.

can't you still open double charm and use the second for mana manip or something?
(>°_°)>
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 22 2011 15:51 GMT
#18145
I love that viegar skin.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 22 2011 15:52 GMT
#18146
It's the gold/5 drop that's painful :[ If I'm gonna run quick mana regen now instead of double pstone I'd just rush out the Tears faster (more efficient anyways) but it obviously cuts down income by half (unavoidable with the nerf). I'm sure other supports might be able to run on pstone hog but Sona's more mana-guzzling and relies on gold more than them :/ Would need to try running 2v2 against competent players for a while to see if I can strike a decent balance between stealing farm and wrecking people.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 16:00:41
June 22 2011 15:58 GMT
#18147
On June 23 2011 00:36 Southlight wrote:
I noticed during DH that a lot of Sona players actually don't know how to abuse Sona (need the troll page). The lack of regen and money is going to burn without the double charm opening, while opening Tears is going to wreck the no-farm support. With Sona I'm leaning toward the "it might be worth" taking some farm from the babysit just because she axes lanes so hard tho :/

It was super funny watching Sona struggle against Taric Ashe in DH though. I was like seriously? I'd 1v2 that shit.

Troll page? Not much of a Sona player myself so I can't comment too much about how to run Sona.

The only EU Team that has a Support Sona Main is GameDDE. I did a check on their player's build+runes+masteries if you're interested.

Runes: Flat Mana Regen Reds, Scaling Mana Regen Yellows, Scaling AP Blues, Gold/10 Quints
Materies: Standard 9/0/21, Flash+CV Mastery
Item Build: He seems to go Philo then stack HoGs and get a Mercs, although in a scrim he also built a Reverie and Soul Shroud but in that game his team seems to have been winning hard.

GameDDE's preferred bot lane is Sona+Trist as well.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 16:07:55
June 22 2011 16:06 GMT
#18148
The runepage I run on 90% of heroes incl. Sona is flat armor quint red yellow and flat MR blues, although eventually I'll get an alt set with flat MR reds instead for counter magic damage. Works especially well on Sona because the nerf to her was to her Q range, not her Q damage, making it harder for her to poke without dying, which you can offset early-game via the defensive runes.

Used to run WQQE off double Charm into double PStone -> Tears -> Ionian -> etc. with an end-game build of Miracle Ionian Arch Death Lich Aegis, but the double stone doesn't give economy anymore + Pstone regens less so it wouldn't sustain lane anymore. Huge double whammy to my Sona, although I don't blame them because PStone and stacking was too strong.

when Neo brought up Kage (possibly trolling me):
[11:59:17 AM] : dunno if the ap is enough to make the heal strong enough compared to uhhh
[11:59:20 AM] : the drop in mana regen
[11:59:27 AM] : is why i'm apprehensive thar
[11:59:46 AM] : might be a pstone -> tear -> hog/kage kind of thing tho but then that's really late
[12:00:00 PM] : alternatively might build a sona runeset replacing armor quints with gold quints to try to offset
[12:00:06 PM] : worried it makes her too squishy again tho

Edit:
Our 2v2 lane changes all the time on the whims of people but I've enjoyed running Sona with stupid stuff like Vayne (when not banned), Ezreal, Jarvan, Xin, Irelia, and so on and so forth. The ridiculous burst and aggression combined with a perfectly good babysit carry is hilar.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 22 2011 16:09 GMT
#18149
On June 23 2011 00:58 MoonBear wrote:
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On June 23 2011 00:36 Southlight wrote:
I noticed during DH that a lot of Sona players actually don't know how to abuse Sona (need the troll page). The lack of regen and money is going to burn without the double charm opening, while opening Tears is going to wreck the no-farm support. With Sona I'm leaning toward the "it might be worth" taking some farm from the babysit just because she axes lanes so hard tho :/

It was super funny watching Sona struggle against Taric Ashe in DH though. I was like seriously? I'd 1v2 that shit.

Troll page? Not much of a Sona player myself so I can't comment too much about how to run Sona.

The only EU Team that has a Support Sona Main is GameDDE. I did a check on their player's build+runes+masteries if you're interested.

Runes: Flat Mana Regen Reds, Scaling Mana Regen Yellows, Scaling AP Blues, Gold/10 Quints
Materies: Standard 9/0/21, Flash+CV Mastery
Item Build: He seems to go Philo then stack HoGs and get a Mercs, although in a scrim he also built a Reverie and Soul Shroud but in that game his team seems to have been winning hard.

GameDDE's preferred bot lane is Sona+Trist as well.

That sounds like EU supports. Gosh. Sit in the brush 24/7, have some tea and look up from the newspaper once every 5 minutes to check if you need to drop a heal. No idea why they would even get 9 in offense with that attitude.

Sona's earlygame damage potential is huge, but with MP5 marks you gimp yourself hard for an amazing 2.34 MP5.

Also mercs on ranged supports, I don't get it...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
June 22 2011 16:17 GMT
#18150
morgana also got new arts
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 22 2011 16:19 GMT
#18151
And a breast reduction apparently.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 22 2011 16:19 GMT
#18152
On June 23 2011 01:09 spinesheath wrote:
That sounds like EU supports. Gosh. Sit in the brush 24/7, have some tea and look up from the newspaper once every 5 minutes to check if you need to drop a heal. No idea why they would even get 9 in offense with that attitude.

Sona's earlygame damage potential is huge, but with MP5 marks you gimp yourself hard for an amazing 2.34 MP5.

Also mercs on ranged supports, I don't get it...

Me neither, lol. But that's what he uses on Sona.

FnaticMellisan has a slightly more different Rune Page for his supports running Red: Flat MRes/Armour/MPen, Yellows: Scaling MP5, Blues: Flat Mres or CDR Scaling, HP Quints. He also has Exp Quints randomly. Still 9/0/21. Item build is Philo+HoG into Mercs, then Aegis, then Reverie.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 22 2011 16:27 GMT
#18153
Notice the complete playstyle difference ;p I run 0/9/21 so I end up with like 70 armor 50 MR at level 1, I don't need to get much more defenses to be fairly tough, and if I find myself dying I just get Aegis and all of a sudden I'm sitting on 100+ armor and 100 MR, hahah.
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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
June 22 2011 16:28 GMT
#18154
:O I actually like the new Morg art!
its cute X)
:)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 22 2011 16:29 GMT
#18155
Why do you need defense? Your only job is to stun as many as possible as soon as possible, and then throw out a few heals. If the enemy team takes time to focus you down, then your effective healing is higher since your carries arent taking damage. And if they dont focus you, then your tankyness is useless.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 22 2011 16:33 GMT
#18156
Her Q poke is the second most efficient level 1(or 2 in my case) damage spell in the game, second only to Fiddle's hilarious 300 damage Dark Wind. She used to be ridiculous cuz that thing had like 800 range, but they nerfed it, so that now you're actually on par with Shen's taunt range, for example, and most certainly within Taric's stun range. It makes an incredibly large difference to be able to poke both their players with Q early, eat their nuke, and live to keep poking while they try to recover, all the while being set upon by your lanemate.

By contrast most Sona players I see run squishy Sona, so that she can't actually abuse her stupid Q, instead playing like a crappy version of Soraka. When in reality she dominates Soraka babysit lanes because Soraka cannot keep up with Sona's efficiency.
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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
June 22 2011 16:41 GMT
#18157
Watching chaox right now, playing the new GP.... Wowow, he's hitting a Yorick for ~300 at level 2 with his Q, plus procing his passive.

I'm scared to play against GP now.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
June 22 2011 16:44 GMT
#18158
WW, GP, and fiddles OP
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
June 22 2011 16:47 GMT
#18159
WW op? They only fixed his q against shields, does that change much or was he op before?
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 16:48:37
June 22 2011 16:48 GMT
#18160
Sooooooo, apparently Marcou is going to be on LO3 tonight. How do we Unite as a subforum in order to send either myself or smash on as a counter to everything he is?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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