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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 20:18:31
February 24 2011 20:18 GMT
#7841
take your reasonable discussion elsewhere n00b, ChrispySC #1.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
February 24 2011 20:57 GMT
#7842
On February 25 2011 04:44 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 04:33 emucxg wrote:
On February 25 2011 04:00 spinesheath wrote:
On February 25 2011 03:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
dont know why it has to take a 3rd party to make a working replay system

Because this 3rd party system has very clear limits, and Riot wants more than what is possible with it. So they have to (re)write a lot of client and server code, and they don't want to waste resources on a system that will lead nowhere.

at least they should release a "working version" and improve it after....imho

As I said, it requires a server code change. You typically don't want to run half finished stuff on your servers, especially when you already have problems with server stability.

And, to be fair, it requires a fairly large server code change. They're going to have to implement some way of storing all these replays and providing them for download, which means that either you're only going to be able to save a replay for a limited time, or they're going to have to start displaying all of your previous games to you. This is potentially a very large change for them, especially given a 2-3MB per replay size, and given all the games that get played per day.
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
February 24 2011 21:11 GMT
#7843
lol I picked irelia to trade for cho gath but I dc'd before trading. Didn't reconnect until everyone was level 10+ and the score was 3-8. Farmed every single creep for 10 minutes, went 7-0, and roflstomped their team after I bought triforce. This was a 1600 elo game.

Never played irelia before and had to read what her skills actually did. God irelia is so broken.
LoL: Soles | forever 1600
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
February 24 2011 21:13 GMT
#7844
I ain't want none of yer damn stats and science figures and hwhat not. I want mah gawd damned replays and I want 'em NOW.

What about Obs mode Mr. Codemonkey, is that hard to implement? (Real question)
Retvrn to Forvms
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 21:17:13
February 24 2011 21:17 GMT
#7845
1. rewinding
2. backward compatibility with different patches
3. saving opponents actions in such a way that doesn't have openings for maphacking

I might be missing other stuff.
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StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
February 24 2011 21:26 GMT
#7846
On February 25 2011 06:17 Mogwai wrote:

3. saving opponents actions in such a way that doesn't have openings for maphacking


thats a big one
You can't milk those!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 24 2011 21:32 GMT
#7847
On February 25 2011 06:26 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 06:17 Mogwai wrote:

3. saving opponents actions in such a way that doesn't have openings for maphacking


thats a big one

fairly straightforward in theory though I believe... the server handles all the actions, just temporarily save the replay there and then make it available for download after the game. At least that's how I would approach it.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 24 2011 21:34 GMT
#7848
Observer mode is probably easier than replays to implement. We know they can already support additional players in matches, if poorly. The biggest challenges for observer mode would be:

1. Modifying the PVP.net interface to allow for observers.
2. Changing the in-game implementation so that observers don't have random champions sitting in fountain, summoner spells, item slots etc.
3. Locking down observer communications in-game.

That sounds simple, but it's still a significant amount of work.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 24 2011 21:37 GMT
#7849
new omnibus is pretty funneh
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 24 2011 21:45 GMT
#7850
On February 25 2011 06:13 Chrispy wrote:
I ain't want none of yer damn stats and science figures and hwhat not. I want mah gawd damned replays and I want 'em NOW.

What about Obs mode Mr. Codemonkey, is that hard to implement? (Real question)


Depends on how well the engine is written. Ideally it would mostly be some interface and restrictions stuff. Could be arbitraily more work though.

On February 25 2011 06:32 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 06:26 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On February 25 2011 06:17 Mogwai wrote:

3. saving opponents actions in such a way that doesn't have openings for maphacking


thats a big one

fairly straightforward in theory though I believe... the server handles all the actions, just temporarily save the replay there and then make it available for download after the game. At least that's how I would approach it.


Yep that's pretty much the ONLY way to do it reliably. It is a huge load on the servers though, and we all know that Riot has problems with their capacities.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 24 2011 21:54 GMT
#7851
On February 25 2011 02:59 dnastyx wrote:
Uh, wow.

Newest version of LoLReplays is sick.

Global health bars, you can toggle the in-game UI, you can watch replays from previous patches, and there are fleshed out playback controls.

http://www.leaguereplays.com/

Do health bars look really fucked for anyone else? Really dark and don't show how much hp anyone has?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 24 2011 22:08 GMT
#7852
On February 25 2011 06:54 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 02:59 dnastyx wrote:
Uh, wow.

Newest version of LoLReplays is sick.

Global health bars, you can toggle the in-game UI, you can watch replays from previous patches, and there are fleshed out playback controls.

http://www.leaguereplays.com/

Do health bars look really fucked for anyone else? Really dark and don't show how much hp anyone has?

I noted on the previous page that they don't display correct HP numbers unless the guy was on your screen. Not sure what you mean by "really dark".
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LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
February 24 2011 22:20 GMT
#7853
+ Show Spoiler +
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just gonna leave this here...
(feels good man)
AKA SurfSolar ----- This is the product of a DIY inadequate home
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 22:43:46
February 24 2011 22:39 GMT
#7854
Cruising along with Irelia.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 24 2011 22:52 GMT
#7855
good thing you edited.. one of those words ain't allowed!
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 24 2011 22:54 GMT
#7856
On February 25 2011 07:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 06:54 HazMat wrote:
On February 25 2011 02:59 dnastyx wrote:
Uh, wow.

Newest version of LoLReplays is sick.

Global health bars, you can toggle the in-game UI, you can watch replays from previous patches, and there are fleshed out playback controls.

http://www.leaguereplays.com/

Do health bars look really fucked for anyone else? Really dark and don't show how much hp anyone has?

I noted on the previous page that they don't display correct HP numbers unless the guy was on your screen. Not sure what you mean by "really dark".

[image loading]
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 23:04:40
February 24 2011 23:02 GMT
#7857
On February 25 2011 06:32 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 06:26 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On February 25 2011 06:17 Mogwai wrote:

3. saving opponents actions in such a way that doesn't have openings for maphacking


thats a big one

fairly straightforward in theory though I believe... the server handles all the actions, just temporarily save the replay there and then make it available for download after the game. At least that's how I would approach it.

thats actually exactly how i was thinking it should be done when i wrote my last post, i just didnt feel like adding it
though that goes right back to them having to change a bunch of serverside code before they can have replays


p.s. we should play later today, get on skype and check if im not logged on LoL
You can't milk those!
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
February 24 2011 23:10 GMT
#7858
So I noticed that Irelia has 330 base speed.

Why? The only other champion that does is Yi, and Yi sure as fuck doesn't have the kind of baseline Irelia does (Alpha vs Bladesurge, Highlander vs Transcendant Blades sniping, Equilibrium Strike vs nothing).
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 24 2011 23:21 GMT
#7859
On February 25 2011 08:10 Niton wrote:
So I noticed that Irelia has 330 base speed.

Why? The only other champion that does is Yi, and Yi sure as fuck doesn't have the kind of baseline Irelia does (Alpha vs Bladesurge, Highlander vs Transcendant Blades sniping, Equilibrium Strike vs nothing).

Pantheon has 330 base movespeed too.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
February 24 2011 23:32 GMT
#7860
Cos irelia is squishy assassin ofc.

Waiiiiit
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