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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: The cool thing about Q is it also gives you a speed boost so it's SO easy to escape ganks if you get a Q off in time for that extra burst of speed, it's also useful in chasing people down. =) Cassi isn't really a good Support champ. I feel she is more of a pure AP carry. Morgana and Lux do a better job of being able to do both. Cass is about the farthest thing from a 'support' champ in the game. She's in the same sort of vein as Teemo, Pantheon, Urgot, and Leblanc who need to dominate or get fed in their lane in order to sort of assert control in the mid and late game. A fed Cass is beyond terrifying, but one who is behind is underwhelming at best. I don't know if she's 'op', but she's way way way way way stronger than she's given credit for. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:05 puckstop101 wrote: If you could design a spell, what would it be? what class would it be for? I wouldn't do anything too fancy mechanically. But I think it would be interesting to give a caster/support a taunt with range ~600. On February 11 2011 02:04 Haemonculus wrote: Would Cass be a good hero to learn? I used to always fall back on Morgana as my main tryhard champ for ranked games, but she's just not as strong as she used to be. Has Lux replaced her as the dominant AP/support champ? I see soooo many Lux's now. Lux is a solid AP champ, but she doesn't really have the support kit to compare to Morgana. And I would hate playing her in a sidelane. I don't even level that shield until I have to, and as far as I can tell from watching players better than me play her, you're not supposed to. She has some of the best baseline burst in the game, and fairly good ratios. What part of that spells "support champion"? | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:16 Juicyfruit wrote: She has plenty of problems such as completely sucking at exerting map control, I'm curious what exactly you mean by this. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:18 TheYango wrote: I wouldn't do anything too fancy mechanically. But I think it would be interesting to give a caster/support a taunt with range ~600. Lux is a solid AP champ, but she doesn't really have the support kit to compare to Morgana. And I would hate playing her in a sidelane. I don't even level that shield until I have to, and as far as I can tell from watching players better than me play her, you're not supposed to. She has some of the best baseline burst in the game, and fairly good ratios. What part of that spells "support champion"? She's got a double-snare, an AoE slow, and an AoE shield. That could easily qualify as support, no? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:34 Haemonculus wrote: She's got a double-snare, an AoE slow, and an AoE shield. That could easily qualify as support, no? AoE stun, AoE slow, wall. Guess we can call Anivia a support champion too. AoE slow, single target slow, global stun, free CV. And Ashe too! | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:18 TheYango wrote: I wouldn't do anything too fancy mechanically. But I think it would be interesting to give a caster/support a taunt with range ~600. Lux is a solid AP champ, but she doesn't really have the support kit to compare to Morgana. And I would hate playing her in a sidelane. I don't even level that shield until I have to, and as far as I can tell from watching players better than me play her, you're not supposed to. She has some of the best baseline burst in the game, and fairly good ratios. What part of that spells "support champion"? Uhm what? Morgana - shield, Lux - shield, Morgana - snare, Lux - snare. Morg's ult stuns Lux's E slows. Yeah, the difference is SO HUGE that Lux certainly isn't a support and Morgana is :S | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Unlike pantheon she doesn't get to where she needs to immediately, and she cannot solopush without fear like teemo can, so even against a fed cass you can play according to where she is and gank her when she overextends. She's not good at baroning or poking towers either. Basically, she's good at beating people up but weak at doing the other things that wins games. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:46 TheYango wrote: AoE stun, AoE slow, wall. Guess we can call Anivia a support champion too. AoE slow, single target slow, global stun, free CV. And Ashe too! Was that dog I ran over yesterday yours or something? I'm just asking questions here lol | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:53 Haemonculus wrote: Was that dog I ran over yesterday yours or something? I'm just asking questions here lol think he was just teasing you lol i think most people would not disagree that lux is better built right now as an ap nuker than as a support-ish kind of kind of hero. her ultimate in particular is probably the greatest difference between the two (morgana needs to be down and dirty in the fight, being within shielding / binding range of her enemies / allies, and within enough of them to make her ult worthwhile, whereas lux can deal damage from afar, making playing her as an ap nuker more effective than as someone who tries to consistently slow important targets and shield as many allies as possible - not that it is impossible to overlap the two at times). | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:46 TheYango wrote: AoE stun, AoE slow, wall. Guess we can call Anivia a support champion too. AoE slow, single target slow, global stun, free CV. And Ashe too! you don't have to be a cock about it to answer your question rhavanna i still think morgana is a far superior support champ. black shield is still the most blatantly OP skill in the game for the first 13 levels or so, before it becomes easier to pop. it's olaf's ult in a low-c/d spell that can be cast on anyone -_- and then morgana's ult is the second most OP spell in the game, auto-target double-cc and massive nuke? omg what were they thinking when they designed this champ i also think lux is pretty garbage though. in a duo lane she's okay but giving her a solo lane is a mistake imo. that being said, the range on her skills is pretty long which makes her a good mejai-stacker which i don't think morgana really is. and to the yango, even though you were being sarcastic, you're actually fairly right. ashe can definitely be built as a support hero. instead of building IE->LW/BC, ashe can build attack speed and max Q first and rush boots2. definitely a strong option if you've got a good melee DPS or another hard-carry on your team. you will literally never escape from an ashe that has swifties and a zeal, plus volley plus arrow, and her hawkshot and ult are great support skills. no, i wouldn't replace a janna on my team for an attack speed ashe, but to say that non-traditional champs can't play support roles is just a fallacy | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:53 Haemonculus wrote: Was that dog I ran over yesterday yours or something? I'm just asking questions here lol Yeah, sorry, that came out way more aggressively than I meant for it to. The point I was trying to get across was that you can't really judge a champ as support based purely on utility. Because if you do that you end up catching a lot of champs that are very clearly not supports that happen to have a huge amount of utility. The big deal-breaker imo that lets Morgana play as a full-on support instead of just an AP carry is Black Shield. In terms of babysitting and letting her lanemate farm, Black Shield is simply unrivaled. Between that and Dark Binding, there is no way that you can disrupt Morgana's lanemate's farm unless she lets you. Lux just doesn't exert that type of pressure as a babysitter. Her shield is great for a team, but is woefully weak on a single target. And beyond that, with 2 AoE nukes, she's just as much of a babysitter as Ashe or Anivia. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
edit: hahaha and as i say that someone on CLG stream goes solo top morg hehe | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Her overall kit is most conducive to full ap carry imo. As for duo vs solo, I find that since she needs so much farm, a babysitter and mejaj is a fairly safe and deadly way to play her. Solo is better sure, but do can work just as well given how deadly snares and slows can be if you have extra damage. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img14.imageshack.us/f/rapidlybitch.png/) Riot makes such a quality game, don't you think. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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