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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On December 09 2015 09:42 jubil wrote: One thing I really didn't like about HotS, coming from Dota2, was the sheer price of the heroes - in gold it's a bit steep I feel (takes basically forever to get all the good metagame heroes with gold), and in dollars it's simply unconscionable to charge so much for a literal fraction of a game. In the end I just found a few I liked and spent my starter gold there, and gradually grew my collection with gold as I got bored. Should note that getting to lvl 5 on a character gets a nice bonus in gold, and lvl 9 another, and both of those levels are easily attainable. Playing free chars to those levels goes a long way. They also upped gold gain while leveling a few times already. And I suggest getting one of the (cheap) starter packs, especially if you can catch a sale. On release I got the 3 hero pack for $5, don't regret it one bit. Once you get going on gold income it gets fairly easy. I own nearly every char. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
I got 2200 hours on file with dota 2, and probably $500+ in cosmetics. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On December 09 2015 15:21 synapse wrote: Any reason why you can't play both? oh I could, I didn't mean to say that I'll only be playing one game at a time lol. what I meant is that it's harder to commit time to another game because of what I already put into dota | ||
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Leolio
France633 Posts
On December 09 2015 15:21 synapse wrote: Any reason why you can't play both? I'm only speaking for myself but I cannot play more than 1 game competitively. Unless I'm the best of the world or I'm bored by it, I'll give 100% of my multiplayer gaming time to the game. If I play 2 games competitively, I'll be half efficient in both so it'll end up frustrating I guess ? Regarding money, I never paid for heroes and I have most of them. You'll get more than enough gold from quests + player progression + hero progression. Also, the common "10€ for an hero" is bullshit. 1. Most heroes cost lower. 2. The full price is not the real price. Since there are sales every week you have to know that unless you want that hero NOW its full price is not its real price. The real price is the sale price (50% of the full price), the full price is just here to make you buy in sale (and to make profit if you really want to buy ASAP). You have to know that with around 1 week of play you'll own 6 heroes easily if you start by buying (with gold not money) the cheapest ones. And they are all very good and competitive at top level (Raynor Valla Muradin ETC Lili are very competitive heroes and Malfurion is quite good too). | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
If you want to spend a bit of real money, $10 for Jaina, Sonya, Li Li, Zeratul and Zagara is a good deal, and with all heroes 50% off until the end of the year, picking up any other individual hero is fairly reasonable if you just can't wait. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6860 Posts
Thought i just turn this thread around  Knowing ppls in Hots, doesn't everyone in Dota wanna play Carry? And then you have 5 Carrys vs 5 Carrys and all put the blame on each other? At least thats what i imagine Dota beeing like ^^ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 09 2015 18:59 trinxified wrote: oh I could, I didn't mean to say that I'll only be playing one game at a time lol. what I meant is that it's harder to commit time to another game because of what I already put into dota As someone who plays both, HotS is great when you don’t have the time for a full knockdown, drag out dota match. And it skips a lot of the kinda stressful parts of the opening of dota, picking lanes and heroes. Plus lots of team fighting is helpful because you only get a couple of those in a given dota match and this just cuts out the spaces in-between those. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On December 09 2015 22:49 Harris1st wrote: I never played Dota, but from playing a lot of Hots got a Dota question Thought i just turn this thread around Knowing ppls in Hots, doesn't everyone in Dota wanna play Carry? And then you have 5 Carrys vs 5 Carrys and all put the blame on each other? At least thats what i imagine Dota beeing like ^^ Yeah, that pretty much happens all the time. That kind of happens in HotS as well, but in DotA you have items and gold and if your carry heroes can't find the farm(and naturally they hardly can with 5 carry heroes in the game) they are almost useless. | ||
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
On December 09 2015 19:13 Leolio wrote: I'm only speaking for myself but I cannot play more than 1 game competitively. Unless I'm the best of the world or I'm bored by it, I'll give 100% of my multiplayer gaming time to the game. If I play 2 games competitively, I'll be half efficient in both so it'll end up frustrating I guess ? Regarding money, I never paid for heroes and I have most of them. You'll get more than enough gold from quests + player progression + hero progression. Also, the common "10€ for an hero" is bullshit. 1. Most heroes cost lower. 2. The full price is not the real price. Since there are sales every week you have to know that unless you want that hero NOW its full price is not its real price. The real price is the sale price (50% of the full price), the full price is just here to make you buy in sale (and to make profit if you really want to buy ASAP). You have to know that with around 1 week of play you'll own 6 heroes easily if you start by buying (with gold not money) the cheapest ones. And they are all very good and competitive at top level (Raynor Valla Muradin ETC Lili are very competitive heroes and Malfurion is quite good too). I'm completely the same, pretty much a one game dominates all at any given time and I will then move on for a bit then move back etc etc. Like this year it was HoTS, short break for Pillars of Eternity, HoTS, Hearthstone, Random Stuff, HoTS. I bought the founders back for £25(ish) to get into Beta haven't spent a penny since and have over half the heroes although some of the skins are pretty cool! I also have 492 hours on DOTA2 which isn't amazing but I did play the Beta for quite a while. Both games have been great fun for me but I quit DOTA2 after my work life got more and more demanding as I don't really feel like fitting in 1-2 games every other night in the time I can do 4,5,6 games of HoTS. I find the overall quality of the average HoTS game is better whereas DOTA2 you get many more people who give up after 12 mins if you are losing, I have had some really great comebacks in HoTS. It is certainly worth a try and yes you can't solo carry a team as much as in DOTA but I will say you can do an awful lot with individual skill and it would be misleading to say it's easy to reach the individual skill cap even purely mechanically let alone decision making, positioning, target calling etc. The strange thing for me actually is that I have very little inclination to watch Pro Tournaments for HoTS whereas I will still catch DOTA2 from time to time despite very rarely playing it anymore. To be fair most of the time I do have for gaming now goes to gaming itself, but for some reason I'd rather watch DOTA2 or even SC2 which I haven't played since WoL over HoTS. Not sure how to change this, maybe it's just me, but that's the only thing I miss from this game. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On December 10 2015 04:12 Immersion_ wrote: The strange thing for me actually is that I have very little inclination to watch Pro Tournaments for HoTS whereas I will still catch DOTA2 from time to time despite very rarely playing it anymore. To be fair most of the time I do have for gaming now goes to gaming itself, but for some reason I'd rather watch DOTA2 or even SC2 which I haven't played since WoL over HoTS. Not sure how to change this, maybe it's just me, but that's the only thing I miss from this game. I started watching pro Heroes a lot more since HoTS (fuckin same acronym) declined as I have zero interest in LoTV. I just can't get into it. Considering I watched pretty much every major SC2 tournament since 2011 this is a pretty big change for me. Heroes is fun to watch but mostly for the big impressive fights rather than the subtleties that you can learn from, imo. I found nothing more dull than pro League or Dota to watch, just farm, farm, farm, yawn. Though I find those games incredibly boring to play, so maybe that's why. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 09 2015 22:49 Harris1st wrote: I never played Dota, but from playing a lot of Hots got a Dota question Thought i just turn this thread around Knowing ppls in Hots, doesn't everyone in Dota wanna play Carry? And then you have 5 Carrys vs 5 Carrys and all put the blame on each other? At least thats what i imagine Dota beeing like ^^ I'd say this used to be the case ~4 or 5 years ago when it was common for supports to have nothing but boots in their inventory by 30 or 40 minutes (having spent all their gold on courier/warding/dewarding/smokes and the rest lost from dying). Lots of patches since then of course, and Icefrog has increased global gold gain by quite a bit and encouraged more spread wealth. Supports, as a rule of thumb, have the strongest spells and buy the most fun (IMO) items: blink dagger (blink), force staff (push anyone 600 units in dir theyre facing), glimmer cape (use on self/ally to turn them invisible for 5 sec), lotus orb (buff on self/ally that reflects all targeted spells), etc. Even at lower MMR nowadays, everyone knows you need 1-2 supports so people will reluctantly take a support if 3 carries have already been picked. On December 10 2015 04:12 Immersion_ wrote: I'm completely the same, pretty much a one game dominates all at any given time and I will then move on for a bit then move back etc etc. Like this year it was HoTS, short break for Pillars of Eternity, HoTS, Hearthstone, Random Stuff, HoTS. I bought the founders back for £25(ish) to get into Beta haven't spent a penny since and have over half the heroes although some of the skins are pretty cool! I also have 492 hours on DOTA2 which isn't amazing but I did play the Beta for quite a while. Both games have been great fun for me but I quit DOTA2 after my work life got more and more demanding as I don't really feel like fitting in 1-2 games every other night in the time I can do 4,5,6 games of HoTS. I find the overall quality of the average HoTS game is better whereas DOTA2 you get many more people who give up after 12 mins if you are losing, I have had some really great comebacks in HoTS. It is certainly worth a try and yes you can't solo carry a team as much as in DOTA but I will say you can do an awful lot with individual skill and it would be misleading to say it's easy to reach the individual skill cap even purely mechanically let alone decision making, positioning, target calling etc. The strange thing for me actually is that I have very little inclination to watch Pro Tournaments for HoTS whereas I will still catch DOTA2 from time to time despite very rarely playing it anymore. To be fair most of the time I do have for gaming now goes to gaming itself, but for some reason I'd rather watch DOTA2 or even SC2 which I haven't played since WoL over HoTS. Not sure how to change this, maybe it's just me, but that's the only thing I miss from this game. I've tried watching pro HOTS and, at least from what I've seen, teams are just too careful and the game ends up having 3 kills on each side with objective trading for 15 minutes. Not to say that that isn't the smart way to play it, but it's not very fun to watch. Not sure if things have changed in the last 4 months or so. Same applies to League after season 4ish. Dota is hit or miss, most of the top teams produce very enjoyable games but a lot of games with tier 2 teams are either stomps or snoozefests. | ||
Valiver
Caldeum1977 Posts
On December 10 2015 14:15 synapse wrote: I've tried watching pro HOTS and, at least from what I've seen, teams are just too careful and the game ends up having 3 kills on each side with objective trading for 15 minutes. Not to say that that isn't the smart way to play it, but it's not very fun to watch. Not sure if things have changed in the last 4 months or so. Same applies to League after season 4ish. Dota is hit or miss, most of the top teams produce very enjoyable games but a lot of games with tier 2 teams are either stomps or snoozefests. Yeah hots has gotten much more aggressive in the last 4 months. Pro games usually have lots of early kills now, and fights pretty steadily throughout the game. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On December 10 2015 15:05 Valiver wrote: Yeah hots has gotten much more aggressive in the last 4 months. Pro games usually have lots of early kills now, and fights pretty steadily throughout the game. For sure, they tend to fight immediately in mid and then split up but with lots of rotations and stuff there is always plenty of action, if not kills directly (since dying is, yknow, bad). The way the maps work contributes to this of course. | ||
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jaggan
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I have recently stopped playing dota and started playing hotS instead. I played dota and dota2 for years and years. There are several things that made me change game. Mostly it is because of time management but hots really grew on me fast. The thing I REALLY like about hots is the team aspect of it. That is what I found most fun in dota2, combining different abilities together to create devastating effects. So for me hots is just like they stripped dota2 of Everything tedious, like managing creep equilibrium, lasthitting, pulling, denying, harassing and all that jazz that made a good dota2 player. In hots you go in, Think about how you gonna outbrawl your opponents, then do it. Sometimes I miss the fun Little parts of dota, like where you itemized some small item to help you win that lane which was hard. Or how that Little bit of knowledge that you had over your opponent helped you win. Or carefully developing a plan in which you under certain circumstances had an advantage and used it. But all the important parts that made dota2 so fun for me is here in hots. A huge empahzis on position, bad pos equal Death that leads to chainreacting events, capatalizing on mistakes and tricking your opponents, Learning and mastering a hero to feel and see the difference between when you are really good and just good. And above all, fun and intense combat. I Think it is true that there is more room to show individual skill in dota2, but I do Think there are lots of individual skill in hots, just not as visible. For example, playing as kael and knowing how to position yourself and how to cast your abilities. That can make the difference between killing a Lt. morales right of the bat or just throwing dmg on a tanky warrior and not accomplish much. Or realize that you missed that divine palm which lead to your teams defeat. The hardest part for me was to accept that going with your team and do stupid shit is better then solely focusing individually on objective gaming. Dota2 is alot about not getting dragged into your teams stupid shit and mistakes and deciding that "farming here, moving here is better then going to the team and also die". In hots it is more "if your team wants to fight, go fight and do your best to win the teamfight". A major part was also the 20min hardcore intense brawling, balls to the walls, experience :D That is my thoughts on the different games. | ||
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
The most important thing for me is the objectives. They force interesting team fights or trade offs. The second is the removed items. Talents mean small, but meaningful changes every couple of minutes to your abilities, even if they are kind of cookiecutter. Items are a mess and barrier to entry for me. The runes in LoL were just a horrific. Also, the cash-prices of things are very high, but the gold prices are ok for me. 1200 games, and I am missing 31k worth of heroes that I am interested in. Another 45k I dont want. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
I'm downloading hots again lol. one thing I was worried about are the micro transactions in this game... can I really play this game totally free? I guess just wait each work to try out other heroes right? I don't want to spend anymore money since dota got me strapped already lol | ||
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Vaalia
Canada120 Posts
On December 11 2015 07:24 trinxified wrote: all awesome posts here guys. thanks! I'm downloading hots again lol. one thing I was worried about are the micro transactions in this game... can I really play this game totally free? I guess just wait each work to try out other heroes right? I don't want to spend anymore money since dota got me strapped already lol You genuinely can play without spending any money. I spent my first money on a skin this past weekend but play relatively seriously- trust me. If you want to be kind, use someone's recruit link to help them get a mount for free, too! | ||
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