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Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
October 17 2015 17:33 GMT
#101
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/19288409893
Woooo one of the most annoying aspects of the Heroes client (behind the reconnect feature) is being fixed: the ability to watch replays from any patch! soon(TM)
Writer
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
October 17 2015 19:21 GMT
#102
From what they posted, all currently old replays still won't be viewable.
Only everything from the fix onwards will be.

So if you have replay a month from now, then a year later you should still be able to watch that replay.
However, any currently old replay that isn't viewable right now still won't be.
It won't fix currently old replays, at least not from what I read in the thread.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 19 2015 21:48 GMT
#103
So Artanis comes out tomorrow for LotV pre-orders. I can't wait. His kit looks really fun. I'm particularly impressed with his talents (especially the 13 and 16 ones). There are a lot of ways to build him depending upon the circumstances.

What I'm thinking at present is that his core talents will be Seasoned Marksman at 1 and Templar's Zeal at 4. Seasoned Marksman is too good to pass up given that so much of Artanis's damage is AA based. Templar's Zeal opens up the very interesting possibilities of Solarite Reaper and Psionic Synergy at 7. If your team needs damage, take Solarite Reaper to make your spammable Q (when below 50% health) more potent. Otherwise, take Psionic Synergy to give you extra shielding from your trait on demand. The one big question that I have is whether Follow Through hits just once when Artanis uses his W or whether it applies each of the W's attacks (up to 3 times if the 3x talent is taken at 13).

Suppression Pulse is going to be the heroic of choice most of the time and will be completely devastating against AA comps. I do think that Purifier Beam will have a place in comps that are stacked with CC and slows. In particular, I have dreams about comboing Purifier Beam with Sindragosa.

At 13, Triple Strike, Graviton Vortex, and Phase Bulwark all look good. Triple Strike will probably be the talent of choice most of the time, but Phase Bulwark will be stupid strong against mage comps (probably to the point of being unfair). Graviton Vortex looks intriguing and may be a sleeper in terms of overall potential. Imagine sucking multiple back line heroes into the front line and ruining their positioning. There will be a lot of possibilities here.

The level 16 talents are all good. I do wonder, however, how long the range is on Zealot Charge. If it's meaningful and provides a clean engage, it could help largely nullify Artanis's vulnerability to being kited.

All of the Storm talents are excellent, too. Force of Will looks almost too good to pass up, as does Orbital Bombardment.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
October 19 2015 21:56 GMT
#104
Yeah Artanis is going to be fun. Can't wait.
Being in Europe though, I'll probably have to wait an extra day
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 19 2015 21:58 GMT
#105
Artanis comes out at a good time IMO. Sonya's super strong right now and he seems similar. So some diversity in the bruisers if nothing else.

BTW, Treasure Goblin mount shop-removal announced. You got ~1 week and it's not coming back (unlike the Piggy Bank).
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
October 19 2015 22:03 GMT
#106
Think Artanis can be a lot tankier than Sonya though.
Some of those shield talents look almost unfair at keeping him alive.
Can't wait for the Artanis OP threads.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 19 2015 22:13 GMT
#107
On October 20 2015 07:03 Thezzy wrote:
Think Artanis can be a lot tankier than Sonya though.
Some of those shield talents look almost unfair at keeping him alive.
Can't wait for the Artanis OP threads.

Yeah, Artanis is going to be brutally difficult to kill if played properly. If he gets to AA constantly, and without factoring in abilities, he'll have his shield up every 4 seconds. Factor in his W and his Q (if specced for Psionic Synergy), he basically can proc his shield every 2 seconds over a ~6-8 second period -- and that's not even counting the level 20 talent that boosts the CD reduction on the shield from AA's from 4 seconds to 6 seconds. That's a stupid amount of shielding generated. Sonya doesn't hold a handle to that kind of survivability. Frankly, I'm not sure anyone does.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 20 2015 00:58 GMT
#108
Sonya can prolly kill Artanis in 3 seconds once his shield trait starts to kick in . But yeah ... another hero that can solo a boss because of insane self sustain, not sure I like that. Feels already silly with Rexxar.

But I do like the increased health for the Medic x3
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 17:50:47
October 20 2015 17:43 GMT
#109
I think Artanis will be pretty good. He seems like he is just a generically good off-tank. Fitting into compositions similar to Sonya probably doing less damage but better sustain. Between his block-on-W talent at 1 and his ult he can be an insane counter to an AD based lineup. With his spell shield on bulwark at 13 he should also do fairly well against AP lineups.

I also think if you take +merc damage on W at 1 he will be able to jungle nearly as effectively as Sonya as well

-edit-

Also I think there is room for supports to shine when Artanis is on your team. Recognizing when he does need to be healed and when your heals can be more effective elsewhere. I imagine Uther will be the best support with Artanis. Maybe Brightwing even to offer a super shield when he's under 50 and just try and heal away some of the damage he's taking.
Wat
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 17:52:32
October 20 2015 17:52 GMT
#110
We'll see when he's released but I do wonder how he'll work out in practice. Just simple math shows he'll have gaps in shield unless he specs into triple W and Force of Will at 20. We don't know his final stats, but data-mined he has less hp than Sonya (but more than poor Anub) and his trait covers roughly 20% of his hp (pending if scaling stays in sync of course).

That's not exactly the toughest cookie especially since his trait is not on-demand but a proc to damage taken (I assume the proc will retroactively save him from lethal damage, but just in case it doesn't then he'll be even more vulnerable to being burst down).

Still, I think he's an exciting hero if for no other reason than Sonya competition in the bruiser / warrior-melee hybrid spot.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
October 20 2015 18:15 GMT
#111
Don't just disregard Prism as well. It functions similar to Vengeful Spirit's ult from DOTA and there were times you could make some big plays with that.
Wat
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 20 2015 18:19 GMT
#112
True, Prism - and the fact that his ults are more than stats on steroids - is a pretty big differentiator from Sonya.

I think that'll be the mark of a good Artanis, like Stiches and hook. One question about Prism, is it a displacement effect (seems logical) or will it have a stun component too? A tank able to interrupt and reposition channelers has the potential to be godly (even if it's only stationary channels).
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
October 20 2015 18:23 GMT
#113
On October 21 2015 03:19 Wuster wrote:
True, Prism - and the fact that his ults are more than stats on steroids - is a pretty big differentiator from Sonya.

I think that'll be the mark of a good Artanis, like Stiches and hook. One question about Prism, is it a displacement effect (seems logical) or will it have a stun component too? A tank able to interrupt and reposition channelers has the potential to be godly (even if it's only stationary channels).


Per the thread of commentary in simple questions regarding stuns and channels, stationary channels would be affected by any displacement effect, I believe. (Not just stuns)

Whether it has a long enough range to hit ETC during mosh pit from outside of the stun area is a different question.
Don't Panic
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
October 20 2015 18:24 GMT
#114
I don't think it has a stun component. If it cancels something like a Naz casting RS I'd *assume* yes but I honestly don't know. I'm not sure if there is a precedence for the mechanics of a swap.
Wat
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
October 20 2015 18:26 GMT
#115
On October 21 2015 03:23 MotherFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 03:19 Wuster wrote:
True, Prism - and the fact that his ults are more than stats on steroids - is a pretty big differentiator from Sonya.

I think that'll be the mark of a good Artanis, like Stiches and hook. One question about Prism, is it a displacement effect (seems logical) or will it have a stun component too? A tank able to interrupt and reposition channelers has the potential to be godly (even if it's only stationary channels).


Whether it has a long enough range to hit ETC during mosh pit from outside of the stun area is a different question.


From the spotlight video when he swapped with the Butcher it appeared longer than a Mosh circle
Wat
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 20 2015 18:42 GMT
#116
Seems a good time to link the video =p


The AoE on Suppression Pulse looks huge, I can't see how that's *not* the most picked heroic.

And yes, I know moving someone breaks stationary channels, I'm just not 100% sure if prism will count since it's a new mechanic (teleport versus knockbacks), but I do assume it will.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 20 2015 21:07 GMT
#117
I've played a few games with Artanis and am not entirely sure what to make of him yet. He doesn't seem as tanky as I originally thought. It could just be that I wasn't playig him right at times. His wave clear with Q is excellent. Damage with W is very good. I think he may need Charge at 16. His E is awesome. There is a ton of potential for big plays with it. I definitely need some more games under my belt before render I judgment on him.
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 21:14:04
October 20 2015 21:13 GMT
#118
I know you can't do anything in the middle of a Q ability (the dash back and forth), but I was wondering in the back of my mind: Can you cast E/swap ability, then Q-dash away and force the swap to be farther away?
Don't Panic
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
October 20 2015 21:27 GMT
#119
Also his range extender on Q is sometimes a blessing and sometimes a curse
Wat
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 20 2015 21:56 GMT
#120
On October 21 2015 06:27 Tenks wrote:
Also his range extender on Q is sometimes a blessing and sometimes a curse

I don't like that talent.
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