On October 28 2015 02:40 Hier wrote: None of it is selective bias... Freezard gets it.
Cain being in all 3 Diablo games, Medivh (who's from WC1!) and Alleria (someone people like to harp on as forgotten by Blizz too) being skins in Hearthstone, Uther being in every Warcraft property since WC2. SC2 continuing with the Hybrids and Duran as the ultimate threat from BW. Sure a lot of hushing up their legacy stuff.
There's been a lot of continuity between the different installments, but things also change by necessity. Sorry your favorite character didn't make the transition.
In my original post I said a name belonging exclusively to a non-current instalment. So far there are no counter examples. Come on man.
Freezard wasn't qualifying his statement that way, he made a blanket statement that Blizzard likes to ignore their legacy.
Uther's been dead throughout WoW, so it seems odd that you just want to disqualify him. Sure his spirit shows up in a quest from Vanilla (long since removed iirc) but he has no involvement in any stories since then (unlike Obi-Tassadar in SC2).
Also, Vikings being from the latest iteration of a 15-year old game... that's pretty selective man.
Edit: Besides I don't really buy the argument that they have to use a hero from non-current games to honor their legacy to begin with. Not when they've already been carrying certain characters forward and old ones pop back up again all the time (like Alleria in Hearthstone and Garona showing up Cataclysm, Chen in Mists of Pandaria).
Well I meant in the context of HotS. I'm not too familiar with the WC games, but when I look at the heroes from the Diablo/SC franchises they're almost always based on their last iteration. An exception is Diablo whose artistic design is based on D2 and Apocalypse is from D1 I guess. But the rest of his abilities and his trait are based on D3. The Butcher and Leoric are almost taken straight from D3 itself. And how come the five Diablo main characters in HotS are all from D3? Why didn't they make the D2 barb or the necromancer instead of the witch doctor? Why did they use Banshees for Raynor's ulti when his signature vehicle in SC1 was the Vulture? If they're going to give Lt. Morales a grenade, why not the blind grenades that medics had in BW?
Anyway like I said this is the case since they want to sell their latest games and they're also more proud of the work they've done on them compared to the prequels. I even read in an interview that nowadays they laugh when they look back at the units sounds from BW because they think they're horrible compared to SC2, which makes me sad cause I think the other way around.
On October 28 2015 02:40 Hier wrote: None of it is selective bias... Freezard gets it.
Cain being in all 3 Diablo games, Medivh (who's from WC1!) and Alleria (someone people like to harp on as forgotten by Blizz too) being skins in Hearthstone, Uther being in every Warcraft property since WC2. SC2 continuing with the Hybrids and Duran as the ultimate threat from BW. Sure a lot of hushing up their legacy stuff.
There's been a lot of continuity between the different installments, but things also change by necessity. Sorry your favorite character didn't make the transition.
In my original post I said a name belonging exclusively to a non-current instalment. So far there are no counter examples. Come on man.
Freezard wasn't qualifying his statement that way, he made a blanket statement that Blizzard likes to ignore their legacy.
Uther's been dead throughout WoW, so it seems odd that you just want to disqualify him. Sure his spirit shows up in a quest from Vanilla (long since removed iirc) but he has no involvement in any stories since then (unlike Obi-Tassadar in SC2).
Also, Vikings being from the latest iteration of a 15-year old game... that's pretty selective man.
Edit: Besides I don't really buy the argument that they have to use a hero from non-current games to honor their legacy to begin with. Not when they've already been carrying certain characters forward and old ones pop back up again all the time (like Alleria in Hearthstone and Garona showing up Cataclysm, Chen in Mists of Pandaria).
There is, literally, nothing selective about what I'm saying. My statement, in its original form, could not be more comprehensive and concise. Stop making an argument out of a fact. I am not advocating the creation of a hero using a character not appearing in the latest game within a series; I am responding to people that are hoping for it. It has not happened until now, and thus will probably not happen; this is supported by monetary reasoning. I never said Vikings get disqualified by the rule, time isn't a factor. Blizzard simply needed a hero with Meepo's mechanics. WoW is also not a technical sequel to Warcraft 3, it is more of an extension to it; World of Starcraft would not be a sequel to Starcraft 2. That's why I only mentioned Starcraft and Diablo 2. Diablo's art is also a non-factor. It's really that simple, don't make it overly complicated.
matchmaking in heroleague has been absolutely amazing this week, or is it just me? Once I got past the rank 30 pool of potatoes every match has been action packed and nail biting to the end.
On October 28 2015 10:28 MotherFox wrote: matchmaking in heroleague has been absolutely amazing this week, or is it just me? Once I got past the rank 30 pool of potatoes every match has been action packed and nail biting to the end.
I shouldn't have said anything. Tonight I got soooo many complainers. It's like even when we're winning, we're losing. Multiple teams that think abathur is bad specifically on cursed hollow, that double warrior comps are bad, etc, etc.
Yeah it's pretty common for people to not like double warrior. They want as much damage as possible. Many people think that if you get Jaina and Kael'thas, it's already gg.
I've learned that drafting however I want is much more successful than drafting "properly". For example, a game on Infernal Shrines. I reccomend that the first pick doesn't draft The Lost Vikings, which he agrees with, reluctantly, and picks Tyrande. The others had pre-picked Thrall and Kael'Thas.
We end up with Tyrande, Thrall, Nazeebo and Jaina. I'm last pick. They all want me to go tank. Ostensibly, I should go tank.
Instead, I type "fuck it, yolo" into the lobby chat and pick Tassadar. For the record, the team were all about 10 ranks below me. I get a huge load of hate "omg fuck u" "y would u do this" "wow welcome 2 lose" etc etc.
Needless to say, we dominate them, 40-8 in kills, and win the game easily. At the end, one of them, the Thrall I think, even said "gg, sorry". The Nazeebo wasn't so forthcoming with the "gg all except Tass".
Most amusing. Similarly, some Russian had prepicked Sylvanas a last pick. She's my main, and I picked her. He was like "wow fuck you Larkin". I proceed to top all stats and we win comfortably.
Okay, screw Suppression Pulse on Artanis. Take Purifier Beam every game with Artanis and go for the Level 20 upgrade. Just ask SC2John, Valiver, and MotherFox.
On October 28 2015 14:48 xDaunt wrote: Okay, screw Suppression Pulse on Artanis. Take Purifier Beam every game with Artanis and go for the Level 20 upgrade. Just ask SC2John, Valiver, and MotherFox.
On October 28 2015 13:39 Larkin wrote: Yeah it's pretty common for people to not like double warrior. They want as much damage as possible. Many people think that if you get Jaina and Kael'thas, it's already gg.
I've learned that drafting however I want is much more successful than drafting "properly". For example, a game on Infernal Shrines. I reccomend that the first pick doesn't draft The Lost Vikings, which he agrees with, reluctantly, and picks Tyrande. The others had pre-picked Thrall and Kael'Thas.
We end up with Tyrande, Thrall, Nazeebo and Jaina. I'm last pick. They all want me to go tank. Ostensibly, I should go tank.
Instead, I type "fuck it, yolo" into the lobby chat and pick Tassadar. For the record, the team were all about 10 ranks below me. I get a huge load of hate "omg fuck u" "y would u do this" "wow welcome 2 lose" etc etc.
Needless to say, we dominate them, 40-8 in kills, and win the game easily. At the end, one of them, the Thrall I think, even said "gg, sorry". The Nazeebo wasn't so forthcoming with the "gg all except Tass".
Most amusing. Similarly, some Russian had prepicked Sylvanas a last pick. She's my main, and I picked her. He was like "wow fuck you Larkin". I proceed to top all stats and we win comfortably.
*shrugs*
Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.
This scares me the most to play Hero League. Tass and Nova are so hated there while Artanis or Abathur are ok though they are at the bottom of rankings. People are so stereotyped.
Hope, Blizzard will buff Tassadar somehow so he'll get some respect.
On October 28 2015 05:44 MotherFox wrote: can't wait for the corsair heroes unit that can only put down blind fields and attack mutalisks and banshees! :D
Can't wait for Deckard Cain hero that will tell enemy heroes "Stay a while and listen" and they will stay for a while and listen.
On October 28 2015 05:44 MotherFox wrote: can't wait for the corsair heroes unit that can only put down blind fields and attack mutalisks and banshees! :D
Can't wait for Deckard Cain hero that will tell enemy heroes "Stay a while and listen" and they will stay for a while and listen.
I'm thinking the Smith, Griswold? with some supportive abilities (attack damage, shields) and his ult beeing "Wirts Leg" and "Anvil of Fury"
On October 28 2015 13:39 Larkin wrote: Yeah it's pretty common for people to not like double warrior. They want as much damage as possible. Many people think that if you get Jaina and Kael'thas, it's already gg.
I've learned that drafting however I want is much more successful than drafting "properly". For example, a game on Infernal Shrines. I reccomend that the first pick doesn't draft The Lost Vikings, which he agrees with, reluctantly, and picks Tyrande. The others had pre-picked Thrall and Kael'Thas.
We end up with Tyrande, Thrall, Nazeebo and Jaina. I'm last pick. They all want me to go tank. Ostensibly, I should go tank.
Instead, I type "fuck it, yolo" into the lobby chat and pick Tassadar. For the record, the team were all about 10 ranks below me. I get a huge load of hate "omg fuck u" "y would u do this" "wow welcome 2 lose" etc etc.
Needless to say, we dominate them, 40-8 in kills, and win the game easily. At the end, one of them, the Thrall I think, even said "gg, sorry". The Nazeebo wasn't so forthcoming with the "gg all except Tass".
Most amusing. Similarly, some Russian had prepicked Sylvanas a last pick. She's my main, and I picked her. He was like "wow fuck you Larkin". I proceed to top all stats and we win comfortably.
*shrugs*
Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.
This scares me the most to play Hero League. Tass and Nova are so hated there while Artanis or Abathur are ok though they are at the bottom of rankings. People are so stereotyped.
Hope, Blizzard will buff Tassadar somehow so he'll get some respect.
Tassadar's already been buffed and has been doing well in recent tournaments. The average hero league player who isn't at the top of the ranks is often clueless on what heroes are good picks. That and some of the heroes just shine in unorganized play and others are really hard to have success with in randomized teams with no voice chat. Like Li Li has a great win rate in hero league because the average team doesn't consistently shut down cups with an interrupt and she is very forgiving if you make mistakes with positioning. In a pro game cups would virtually never go full duration. Tempo Storm Dreadnought explains this in depth in this video explaining why Li Li has a high win rate, but is never the "best" pick in an organized play setting:
Good video. I hate how people look at win rates from 3rd party sites to justify how good a hero is. I know there was someone here who said Nova has a higher win rate than Valla which makes her better. No, she's not, and the hate for Nova in HL is justified. The new Tassadar on the other hand is freaking awesome and I don't know why he's hated, I guess people are too used to the old mediocre Tassadar to care.
If anyone would pick Artanis in my HL game on the other hand, I would just press the concede button. Possibly the worst hero in the game right now.
On October 29 2015 00:12 Freezard wrote: Good video. I hate how people look at win rates from 3rd party sites to justify how good a hero is. I know there was someone here who said Nova has a higher win rate than Valla which makes her better. No, she's not, and the hate for Nova in HL is justified. The new Tassadar on the other hand is freaking awesome and I don't know why he's hated, I guess people are too used to the old mediocre Tassadar to care.
If anyone would pick Artanis in my HL game on the other hand, I would just press the concede button. Possibly the worst hero in the game right now.
Hah, I should show you my replays. Artanis is a beast if played properly.
On October 29 2015 00:12 Freezard wrote: Good video. I hate how people look at win rates from 3rd party sites to justify how good a hero is. I know there was someone here who said Nova has a higher win rate than Valla which makes her better. No, she's not, and the hate for Nova in HL is justified. The new Tassadar on the other hand is freaking awesome and I don't know why he's hated, I guess people are too used to the old mediocre Tassadar to care.
If anyone would pick Artanis in my HL game on the other hand, I would just press the concede button. Possibly the worst hero in the game right now.
Lol that's not true! Well, maybe it is, but give Artanis a chance mate. I mean the Nova Hate has been developed over, like 6 months or so and 4000 bad Nova players. And now you have seen what? 2-3 bad Artanis and assume that he is as bad? Nono! Don't be that guy!
On October 29 2015 00:12 Freezard wrote: Good video. I hate how people look at win rates from 3rd party sites to justify how good a hero is. I know there was someone here who said Nova has a higher win rate than Valla which makes her better. No, she's not, and the hate for Nova in HL is justified. The new Tassadar on the other hand is freaking awesome and I don't know why he's hated, I guess people are too used to the old mediocre Tassadar to care.
If anyone would pick Artanis in my HL game on the other hand, I would just press the concede button. Possibly the worst hero in the game right now.
Lol that's not true! Well, maybe it is, but give Artanis a chance mate. I mean the Nova Hate has been developed over, like 6 months or so and 4000 bad Nova players. And now you have seen what? 2-3 bad Artanis and assume that he is as bad? Nono! Don't be that guy!
Yeah, most people still aren't playing him well or even talenting him correctly. And his early game is abysmal. But I shit you not, he is the god of the late game. He carries teams so fucking hard once he hits 20. No one else can compete with him.
Artanis is a hard Hero to play correctly, he also kinds of sucks in the early game but he is borderline OP in the lategame. I still think he needs a buff early, but after watching good players play him, and trying him myself I think he is not even half as bad as most players think.
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