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On July 03 2015 00:01 Tenks wrote:
My only issue with Zeratul (not that I disagree, he's a great carry) is for his early game roam you require your team mates in lane to help gank. He can't kill a mostly-full HP hero just by himself. He can set the kill up fairly easily but it still needs at least one team mate to recognize what is going on and help out. While you can ping the enemy to kill him I've found lower MMR players are notorious at choreographing Zeratul ganks. Like they'll be playing back and then all of a sudden out of the blue they'll just rush through the creeps because you've pinged the hero. It makes it a very obvious backing situation for the enemy.
What happens if you go right next to the enemy hero while cloaked? Wouldn't that ring a bell? If this is at very low MMR, I expect that you can do this consistently without the enemy being capable of detecting you. It's also important to remember tha during the first couple of mins in a game your main goal shouldn't be to only get kills. But rather to reduce the HP (while not losing a whole lot your self) of enemy heroes so they are forced to use wells and/or come with reduced HPs objectives.
This also sets you up for better future roams. And ofc I will also recommend that you camp squishies more heavily than tanks (as you occationally can take down a squishy on your self if it isn't at 100% hp).
I actually found most issues when my teammates overestimates the sustained damage you brings to the table, and think you commit to a fight when you just want to go in-and-out.
That was ofc more problematic when he was AP-focussed. With the new AA-Zeratul you are a bit better in sustained fights which imo makes him better than if he ever was during the double bomb/gathering power era.
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On the map conflict of eternity, if our team is at level 9.5 and the other team is 10+ and the objective is coming up, is it feasible to lane until we hit 10, then charge into the center? I got majorly raged for suggesting this, and now I'm doubting myself.
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If you are not 10 and they are 10, you will lose (wiped) and they will get the boss.
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On July 03 2015 00:35 FreeZEternal wrote:
If you are not 10 and they are 10, you will lose (wiped) and they will get the boss.
Thanks for the confirmation that I wasn't crazy!
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On July 03 2015 00:17 MotherFox wrote:
On the map conflict of eternity, if our team is at level 9.5 and the other team is 10+ and the objective is coming up, is it feasible to lane until we hit 10, then charge into the center? I got majorly raged for suggesting this, and now I'm doubting myself.
The objective lasts long enough that you should be able to soak up that half level before you the immortals are done fighting.
It's also not a gamebreaking objective, pretty easy to defend if you have to give up on contesting it too.
Speaking of Immortals, do you guys find it better to defend your Immortal or rush down theirs? Seems splitting the team in half is the best way to lose (also Stiches is fun on this map).
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On July 03 2015 03:02 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:17 MotherFox wrote:
On the map conflict of eternity, if our team is at level 9.5 and the other team is 10+ and the objective is coming up, is it feasible to lane until we hit 10, then charge into the center? I got majorly raged for suggesting this, and now I'm doubting myself. The objective lasts long enough that you should be able to soak up that half level before you the immortals are done fighting. It's also not a gamebreaking objective, pretty easy to defend if you have to give up on contesting it too. Speaking of Immortals, do you guys find it better to defend your Immortal or rush down theirs? Seems splitting the team in half is the best way to lose (also Stiches is fun on this map).
It occurred to me this morning that you might be able to fight under your own immortal while one good pushing teammate took theirs. If they fight 4v5, you have the stuns from your immortal to make up for the lost teammate.
Fighting under an enemy immortal is really tough. I supported as brightwing during a match last night and it was extremely tricky to keep the team supported, land polymorphs, AND avoid stuns from the boss. Tricky stiches play is how we eventually won it.
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I got most of the 2k/4k heroes now to enter hero league, and im saving up for my next one, no. 11. I had decent success as Anub and Valla. Which should be my next one to help my teams in the drafts? A 7k or a 10k one? Seeing BW, Sylvanas, Diablo, Gazlowe and Johanna as top prospects
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Depends on what role you like playing:
Johanna is a great tank (no experience playing her though)
BW is a great support (haven't tried her since patch though)
Sylvanas is first pick material on some maps (although her best map is currently out of rotation).
I wouldn't go for Gazlowe unless you really like him, you'll get grief for picking him and he's not that great anyways. But I do have a friend that really makes Gazlowe work, so if you really like him go for it.
No opinion on Diablo, he was pretty good after they buffed his damage, I didn't particularly like him after they reworked him (and losing unstoppable on his charge hurts too).
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What do you guys think of the best way to "practice" if you are solo queuing? It seems like you can get obsessed with rounding off a team properly so you end up playing 5 different heroes in 5 different matches, which is fine, but you don't get as much of a rhythm so maybe better to stick to one of each role per session?
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On July 03 2015 20:45 Immersion_ wrote:
What do you guys think of the best way to "practice" if you are solo queuing? It seems like you can get obsessed with rounding off a team properly so you end up playing 5 different heroes in 5 different matches, which is fine, but you don't get as much of a rhythm so maybe better to stick to one of each role per session?
If you're concerned about that, then just play QM instead of HL 
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Mexico2170 Posts
Yeah, I you wan't to get better with a hero, I suggest you just play quickmatch. Depending on the hero and your luck in the draft placement you might consistently pick a hero in HL, but I don't think that reliable enough. You can get reasonably good with a hero in quickmatch if you focus on improving your play and it will help you get better agaisnt different types of heroes/compositions.
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On July 04 2015 02:09 [Phantom] wrote:
Yeah, I you wan't to get better with a hero, I suggest you just play quickmatch. Depending on the hero and your luck in the draft placement you might consistently pick a hero in HL, but I don't think that reliable enough. You can get reasonably good with a hero in quickmatch if you focus on improving your play and it will help you get better agaisnt different types of heroes/compositions.
So it's possible to get reasonable standard QM games then? currently my hero league mmr is far higher I would say, but if it's worth trying,,,
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Mexico2170 Posts
From my experience HL is as much as a shitshow as QM.
But from my experience, QM games are farily standard, you get weird team comps once in a while, and the ocassional clueless noob, but I don't focus in that. When I want to improve with a hero I just try to play my best and try to see how he fares agaisn't certain heroes/comps/ and teamfights situations. Can I 1vs1 this hero? How about this one? How should I aproach teamfights? and then just practice and practice and focus on playing as best as I can and identifying what I cannot do with a hero so I stop doing it, and kinda don't care if I win, and if I lose tryng to see if I ould have done something better to reduce the chances of our team losing.
I think it's the best way to improve with a hero, since with QM you can constantly practice with the hero you want to practice, agaisn't very different situations, whereas in HL you are more restricted, so even if the lvl of play is better, less games with a hero means less practice.
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Are there any popular chat groups? Team liquid one seems empty, and I get some General german groups as 1., which is kinda wierd.
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On July 04 2015 05:03 [Phantom] wrote:
From my experience HL is as much as a shitshow as QM.
But from my experience, QM games are farily standard, you get weird team comps once in a while, and the ocassional clueless noob, but I don't focus in that. When I want to improve with a hero I just try to play my best and try to see how he fares agaisn't certain heroes/comps/ and teamfights situations. Can I 1vs1 this hero? How about this one? How should I aproach teamfights? and then just practice and practice and focus on playing as best as I can and identifying what I cannot do with a hero so I stop doing it, and kinda don't care if I win, and if I lose tryng to see if I ould have done something better to reduce the chances of our team losing.
I think it's the best way to improve with a hero, since with QM you can constantly practice with the hero you want to practice, agaisn't very different situations, whereas in HL you are more restricted, so even if the lvl of play is better, less games with a hero means less practice.
Interesting answer, thanks, maybe I'll focus on it more.
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On July 04 2015 07:25 Odoakar wrote:
Are there any popular chat groups? Team liquid one seems empty, and I get some General german groups as 1., which is kinda wierd.
/join reddit
Probably the most active channel i've seen. A lot of people find mates for HL/QM pretty much no mattter what rank/mmr they are. Also a good place for discussions ^^
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Is there anywhere for Heroes that's the equivalent of the Team Liquid sidebar for upcoming events for SC2?
I've found the gosugamers one but not everything (by far) is listed there. The Heroes liquipedia has "ongoing/upcoming tournaments" but not to a level of detail where you can see how many minutes/hours away it is, and click the streams....
I've been using the twitch.tv directory to see what's live now, but obviously that doesn't show what's about to start, and doesn't show things like Titan Arena at all because they're on mlg.tv.
Where do you guys look?
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Mexico2170 Posts
The TeamLiquid channel is not empty, is just that people rarely talk for some reason, I've been seeing more activity recently which is super nice, its a team game, lets make some teams :D
About Paradice question...I don't know of any, but basically you can find a tournament every weekend. Of course, as it is something TL is known for in the sc2 community, doing it here is something we're interested in and we post some events there already, we'll try to have the calendar and sidebar as updated as posible.
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Caldeum1976 Posts
Be sure to check Khaldor's stream for pro games. He casts a lot of weekly cups and such.
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I've seen the butcher's chain stop pseudo-teleporting basic abilities like sylvanas's.
Does the butcher's chain stop unstoppable characters?
Does it stop z abilities like falstad's flight or brightwing's teleport?
edit-> To be specific, by "the butchers chain" I mean "lamb to the slaughter"
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