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[Heroes] Guide to Lost Vikings

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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 23:43:06
March 02 2015 21:37 GMT
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Lost Vikings: A Guide

by KadaverBB and GMarshal

Hail, Mighty Keyboard Warrior!



Introduction


The Lost Vikings, a name that many will find nostalgic. One of the first blizzard games to achieve widespread popularity, the titular characters were not originally a high priority for heroes of the storm. That is until at 2014 blizzcon, when the idea of adding them received mass acclaim. So it is, that a year later, we have the ability to play as Erik, Baleog and Olaf. No, not as three separate characters, but as a single unit, as befits them.

So, now you’re in charge of three heroes. No problem. Its not like there’s ever a challenge to controlling one hero. Let's break down what each Viking can do.

Olaf: The fat blue one! The tanky one. His HP growth is the strongest of the three. He has the ability to regenerate quickly after not taking damage for four seconds. He also possesses a mini-charge that he uses to get into combat and that slows his enemies slightly, it has a cooldown of 8 seconds.

Baleog: The medium green one! A short range (but not melee) fighter that deals 50% of his direct target damage as AOE damage in a cone shape behind his target, . He is less tanky than Olaf and tankier than Erik. His range is slightly shorter than Tychus’.

Erik: The small red one! The longest ranged fighter, this is by necessity, as his HP pool means that stiff breezes are a serious threat to his health. He has the same range as raynor, which means that with clever positioning he should be safe. He is the fastest moving hero in the game, which makes him incredibly slippery.

This is perhaps a little overwhelming, but one positive is that they have no active abilities unless you pick them up via talents. Their trait causes them to respawn 25% more quickly, which is nice, because you’re going to take some losses due to “WHAT IS ERIK DOING ATTACKING A TOWER?”. It bears mentioning that all three heroes have independent respawn timers, and that one of them dying does not affect the others. For the purpose of map objectives (dragon shrines, skulls), they are each an individual hero.

They also don’t have a mount, instead having the “Go Go Go!” ability, which works like Sgt. Hammer’s thrusters, but slightly less powerful. It gives a speed boost of 40% (instead of Sgt. Hammers’ 60%) for 4 seconds, with a 30 second cooldown. Activating this ability, like all other Viking abilities, activates it on every Viking.

General Playstyle


Viking’s greatest strength is the ability to control and push multiple lanes. If you have a cooperative team, its relatively easy to send your team to push down a lane with four heroes while your Vikings gather experience from the remaining lanes. If your team is not very cooperative, then you can run all three Vikings in one lane and hold your own decently well.


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4 vs 2 in one lane, with Vikings sucking experience everywhere else. Very fair.



You’re going to be trying to race the opponent to level 10, so eek out every possible edge, the longboat in teamfights is very strong, and if you can force the opponent to fight at a level disadvantage, your team will get even more ahead.

In general, your goal is going to be to split push with as many Vikings as possible to get lane experience while your team worries about objectives, and then gather for teamfights so you can crush your opponents with that advantage.

Recommended Talent Build:


Alright, so a disclaimer right off the bat, this is the build we’ve found to be most effective, but its a little overwhelming, as it takes pretty much every active talent. It really puts the onus on the viking player to be active with all three heroes and get as much done as possible. This means split pushing, sneaking objectives and storming teamfights. Its going to take practice. In general, taking active abilities improves all your heroes, while picking talents that focus on only one Viking only serve to improve one third of your force, and leave you sad and powerless when he inevitably dies.

Level 1: Olaf the Stout

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At level 1 we prefer to pick "Olaf the Stout". Compared to Regeneration Master and Spy Games, adding tankiness to Olaf is much more versatile, especially in teamfight situations. While there’s an argument to be made for Spy Games being useful as a scouting tool, you’re going to find yourself needing to teamfight and split push much more than scout. Regeneration master arguably has potential, as you could farm three lanes of regeneration orbs, but it requires a lot of micro and control. Some pro-players have had much success with it, so its worth considering at the very least.

Level 4: Spin to Win!

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The first of the active abilities we’ll pick up, its our one and only real source of damage. Activating it causes all three Vikings to spin, which makes getting the most damage out of it require clever positioning. The ability has only a 12 second cooldown, so if you use it at the beginning of a teamfight, you could conceivably use it again before the teamfight ends. It is also useful to allow you to push all three lanes more quickly. The damage from all three spins stacks, even though it won't display the numbers for it. This means that hitting the same hero with three spins is a good way to nuke them down.

Level 7: Jump!

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"Jump!" is your panic button. Its the button you press when Zeratul and Nova are both unleashing every ability ever at some poor fragile Viking, or when the teamfight goes south and you need to get out. With proper timing you can really hinder certain ultimates, and in general make a nuisance of yourself. Its a good ability to have, as it gives you 1.5 full seconds to figure out what to do with Erik who you’ve been ignoring and is now being ganked.

Level 10: Longboat Raid!

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This is, without question, the better of the two heroic abilities. It puts out a pretty steady amount of damage and scales according to level. It serves as a damage sponge on top of putting out a lot of damage. It is difficult to use properly as the goal is to activate the boat and use it to absorb as much damage as possible, without the boat actually dying. Good times to use it are after a teamfight has engaged, and as a turnaround tool when you and your team are on low HP. The boat does not have a boatload of HP, so its difficult to properly gauge how much it can absorb. Remember, the HP of the boat depends on how many Vikings its carrying, and can only be activated if all live Vikings are in the same location, so bring as many Vikings as possible, and sack and plunder your way through the teamfight.

Level 13: Impatience Is a Virtue

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It's obvious at this point that we’re focusing on active talents. "Impatience is a Virtue" makes your cooldown shorter, especially if you’re fighting. Having Longboat ready for every teamfight is rather useful. Its pretty much a no-brainer. Although there is an argument to be made for Speedrun, if the game is going in such a way that your team is unable to teamfight, it makes escaping from ganks as you try to split push every lane a little less suicidal, and might give you a way back into the game.

Level 16: Norse Force!

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Another easy choice, an active shield increases your survivability immensely, and when you have HP challenged heroes like Erik running around, survivability matters. This is especially key in teamfights, where proper activation of this ability can determine if you leave with three Vikings, or one. It comes in by the time most pubs will be learning that, hey, those ranged Vikings hurt, and die quickly, focus on them! So its a good pickup. Proper timing is key. It only lasts four seconds and has a relatively long cooldown, so make sure to make the best of it.

Level 20: Ragnarok “n” Roll!

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This essentially doubles the damage that the longboat deals, by allowing it to target two heroes at the same time. In teamfights, this is critical, as it makes the boat an even bigger target, one that cannot be ignored. At around level 16-19 the longboat damage seems to fall off a little, due to the preponderance of defensive talents, and general rising HP pools, this talent makes it so that the boat’s power doesn’t drop off.

General Tips and Tricks


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Almost dead Vikings unleash a boatload of damage on the enemy team


  • The Vikings are capable of soloing mercenaries, minus the golem. Olaf is a very strong damage sponge, and he can heal quickly from the clobbering he gets.

  • Capturing the Dragon Knight or piloting the Garden Terror is especially strong with the Vikings, as you keep control of the other two Vikings, allowing your team to push down one lane while your other two Vikings wreak havoc across the map.

  • Don’t go overboard with splitpushing, its critical that you make teamfights with all three Vikings, as the longboat requires having all live vikings present. Being out of position can throw away a carefully earned experience lead.

  • Talk with your team. Many players are not used to encountering Lost Vikings, especially in ranked, explaining what you’re doing and advising your team is critical to letting you use the Vikings to their full potential.

  • You can set your own control groups, under gameplay -> control groups, set it to normal, and bind your Vikings as is convenient.

  • When in panic, "Jump!". "Jump!" saves you from dying horribly because you were looking at another lane, and gives you a chance to react.

  • Don’t panic. Its easy to get confused when being attacked in three places at once. Its better to write off a loss and save one Viking than to try to save all and have everyone die.

  • Bodyblock with your three Vikings, then “Go Go Go!” to get away. This can save low HP teammates. Its worth it even if you have to sacrifice a Viking, as they give a quarter the experience to the enemy than another hero would.

  • The hardest things to master with Vikings are positioning and timing. Using your abilities at the right moment, and standing in the right places will turn around teamfights, or alternatively result on your team being dead and shouts of “Lost Vikings noob!”. Have patience and keep trying,

  • Have fun. An oft forgotten tip, the point of playing a game is to have fun. Take your crazy micro intensive lost Vikings and go become a giant dragon and kick an orc shaman to his fountain! Go spin so hard Illidan explodes!

Writers:GMarshal, KadaverBB
Graphics & Format: shiroiusagi
Art Credit: Blizzard
Editor(s): GMarshal, KadaverBB

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Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
March 02 2015 22:11 GMT
#2
Cool guide. Any guide to fighting against the Vikings?

I find that they are sometimes so OP; they gang up on my Valla or Arthas and bring them down 3-on-1.
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
March 02 2015 23:03 GMT
#3
On March 03 2015 07:11 Random_0 wrote:
Cool guide. Any guide to fighting against the Vikings?

I find that they are sometimes so OP; they gang up on my Valla or Arthas and bring them down 3-on-1.


Run away from them! XD I'd assume you would have to focus down the weakest. My encounters with the Vikings have been pretty low. :S Probably when it's Vikings free week that's when chaos happens. Haha.
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
March 02 2015 23:08 GMT
#4
I find the heroes to be really creative. The idea that you control 3 heroes at once is not that unique anymore but the way Blizzard made the each viking different by nature is quite refreshing.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 02 2015 23:37 GMT
#5
Nice guide, my talent choices are almost identical with one exception, I always take The Sequel! at level 20 as I don't think that upgraded Boat is worth more than that talent and in late game even with Norse Force and Jump! your Vikings are very fragile.

Also, on level 16 I think that Large and In Charge is worth picking in certain situations if your team lacks CC or something like that. I still prefer Norse Force most of the time though.

Love the Vikings, among my favorite heroes and I have quite solid score with them(lost just a few games I think?).

On March 03 2015 08:08 Wildmoon wrote:
I find the heroes to be really creative. The idea that you control 3 heroes at once is not that unique anymore but the way Blizzard made the each viking different by nature is quite refreshing.

I agree, plus the fact that in this game having "more" heroes is extremely important because the game isn't about farming and split-pushing, but about doing objectives. Getting lane experience with one guy, while taking the tribute with second and tanking the boss with third is extremely good, and even though that is very situational and difficult, it is something that no other hero can do.
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AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-03 00:10:54
March 03 2015 00:10 GMT
#6
Psst, it's Baelog and not Baleog.

Nice guide, I'll definitely look it up when I'm ready to micro these guys!
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 03 2015 00:35 GMT
#7
On March 03 2015 09:10 JoshSuth wrote:
Psst, it's Baelog and not Baleog.

Nice guide, I'll definitely look it up when I'm ready to micro these guys!

I checked wikipedia, and it seems to confirm Baleog, you might be confused because there's a WoW NPC called Baelog who's a tribute to the original lost vikings. (Easy mistake to make, some news sources reporting on Lost Vikings being added to the game got it wrong, and made me really confused as I checked)

I'm glad you like the guide though ^^
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
March 03 2015 05:53 GMT
#8
On March 03 2015 07:11 Random_0 wrote:
Cool guide. Any guide to fighting against the Vikings?

I find that they are sometimes so OP; they gang up on my Valla or Arthas and bring them down 3-on-1.



Well, since the Vikings are very new and are so different from other heroes, i dont think people has already figured out the best way to play against them. Vikings are weird to fight against, I guess a good way is exploting the (bad) multitasking of people if they have them spread out. For most people, it will be hard to use them effectively at all times so you can kinda "focus" the ones they aren't paying attention to. Also, i guess heroes like zeratul, illidan and nova, are great at picking them off. When they are togheter though, in a team fight, I'm not sure. They don't seem to pose a very big thread except when they ult, so i guess you could kinda ignore them? (or focuse them to try to stop their ult?) And when you do atack them focus them in the same order as you would on any hero: The tanky one last, the squishy first‏
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 15:03:59
March 03 2015 13:00 GMT
#9
I feel like at some point we're going to decide Vikings are actually kind of broken but won't notice until someone gets like amazingly good on them.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 03 2015 14:17 GMT
#10
At the beginning when only one Viking is on the lane you can push them out of the exp radius. If you get ahead on the exp you can leave to help out your team mates and make the wave of the lane get closer to your tower, so denying exp gets easier again.
With Vikings though the lane is never empty, if it looks empty they hide somewhere, to micro elsewhere. And if they have regen master, deny them any globe you can or eric will solo squishies or force them to use their ultimate. Never chase Eric if he got that talent it may end bad.


Vikings are super hard to play though so I like their advantages. But their disadvantages can be overcome with good micro. And somehow you can win with Vikings on the team even if they never split up... I love em though and hope they stay that way even if they benefit so heavily from good micro.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 03 2015 20:33 GMT
#11
This is the hero/es I always wanted, to bad I ran out of gold, need to grind another 4k and wait for the price to drop.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 03 2015 20:39 GMT
#12
I've seen some very good Vikings players. Given what they're able to do, I wouldn't be surprised if Vikings are broken. They are really, really tough to kill with the Longboat, jump skill, and shield. Their damage output is legit, too.
Mookwooj
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada1 Post
March 05 2015 22:12 GMT
#13
I think that there should be a way for gogogo, jump and spin to win to be used individualy. Like if you hold shift only the viking that are selected use the abilitie.
NinjaOng
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia2 Posts
September 16 2015 14:19 GMT
#14
I still like vikings after the patch..
however, i really hate the golem map for vikings..
everytime you enter the mines they switch your camera to it and you lose track of your other dudes..
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 16 2015 16:19 GMT
#15
On September 16 2015 23:19 NinjaOng wrote:
I still like vikings after the patch..
however, i really hate the golem map for vikings..
everytime you enter the mines they switch your camera to it and you lose track of your other dudes..


Yeah...I just soak on that map, fuck the mines. Only go into the mines if you're trying to force a team fight and send all 3. Trying to split up between the mines and lane is a disaster.
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