EPTOn October 18 2013 05:33 Chemist wrote:
oh god, now everything will get confusing with HotS and HotS-.-
oh god, now everything will get confusing with HotS and HotS-.-
could just call it Heroes =p
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
could just call it Heroes =p | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
It took the completely irrelevant Valve stepping in to give Dota the support it deserved. Why the hell did they not do anything in fucking 2004? Actually, I take that back. I'm glad we needed to wait for Valve to step in. Although even the TL channel is just annoying bots wanting to trade random shit for keys there's still a sense of connection to a community in Dota 2. I feel like the current Battle.net is a step or two away from exchanging friend codes and fighting in random anonymous 4 player FFA 2 minute Super Smash Bros Brawl games. With Valve even though Dota is nowhere near as exciting to watch as Starcraft 2 its a much better setup as a whole. Kind of sucks that every tournament is paid, but most of them are $1-$2 and they're all visible in the client and then there's things like the Compendium which were an amazing way to make a live event interactive without having to actually attend it. There's also the community-made cosmetic items which even when I'm frustrated by the terrible matchmaking keep me coming back. With Blizzard's awful release rate and lack of community interaction I don't see anything like this ever coming. And I'm far from a Valve fanboy. I only just got Steam a year or so ago because I hated it at its inception and for many years following from the leftover bad taste. I still buy all my games in boxes unless its something ancient like the Thief Series for $5 that I couldn't get running out of a box on Windows 7 if I tried. They've just done everything right. Everything in Dota takes me back to the good old days of dedicated servers. I love being able to change my name to arbitrary sqiggly shit and put up random-ass avatars every day. So really, why should anyone switch from Dota to this? Dota has everything that has created a genre and has existed for over a decade. Dota brought us Pudge! Sure there's some wonky-ass shit like denies and creep pulling, but it's all grown into a part of the metagame. What is this possibly going to offer? Battle.net will in no way be better if SC2 and D3 are any indication and there's a great deal of inertia in competing with a game that I have played for over 10 years. I'm sure Blizzard will do all it can to make the game more accessible to new players, but to be frank that is the exact shit that has watered down all their games post-WC3. Dota is great because of its depth and complexity. You have to put a ton into it but once you've made that investment the rewards are far better than anything else out there and the game becomes absolutely timeless. PS I have no idea why I even clicked this thread. I thought a Heart of the Swarm post got necroed. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9224 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
1) their image (as we all know their fanbase is loyal as shit with Starcraft, Warcraft and Diablo even with such lackluster performance of late across the board) 2) play your favorite characters of yesteryear. That's the major ploy anyway. I hope they've come along way since what I've seen from their alpha testing. Regardless they might want to think about re-branding the name. Again. | ||
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Fody03
Italy310 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:40 Greggle wrote: I really can't force myself to care. As big a fan as I am of past Blizzard games they really had NOTHING to do with the success of Dota. They provided the Wc3 Editor which is probably the greatest and most accessible mod tool ever released and then did nothing. It took the completely irrelevant Valve stepping in to give Dota the support it deserved. Why the hell did they not do anything in fucking 2004? Actually, I take that back. I'm glad we needed to wait for Valve to step in. Although even the TL channel is just annoying bots wanting to trade random shit for keys there's still a sense of connection to a community in Dota 2. I feel like the current Battle.net is a step or two away from exchanging friend codes and fighting in random anonymous 4 player FFA 2 minute Super Smash Bros Brawl games. With Valve even though Dota is nowhere near as exciting to watch as Starcraft 2 its a much better setup as a whole. Kind of sucks that every tournament is paid, but most of them are $1-$2 and they're all visible in the client and then there's things like the Compendium which were an amazing way to make a live event interactive without having to actually attend it. There's also the community-made cosmetic items which even when I'm frustrated by the terrible matchmaking keep me coming back. With Blizzard's awful release rate and lack of community interaction I don't see anything like this ever coming. And I'm far from a Valve fanboy. I only just got Steam a year or so ago because I hated it at its inception and for many years following from the leftover bad taste. I still buy all my games in boxes unless its something ancient like the Thief Series for $5 that I couldn't get running out of a box on Windows 7 if I tried. They've just done everything right. Everything in Dota takes me back to the good old days of dedicated servers. I love being able to change my name to arbitrary sqiggly shit and put up random-ass avatars every day. So really, why should anyone switch from Dota to this? Dota has everything that has created a genre and has existed for over a decade. Dota brought us Pudge! Sure there's some wonky-ass shit like denies and creep pulling, but it's all grown into a part of the metagame. What is this possibly going to offer? Battle.net will in no way be better if SC2 and D3 are any indication and there's a great deal of inertia in competing with a game that I have played for over 10 years. I'm sure Blizzard will do all it can to make the game more accessible to new players, but to be frank that is the exact shit that has watered down all their games post-WC3. Dota is great because of its depth and complexity. You have to put a ton into it but once you've made that investment the rewards are far better than anything else out there and the game becomes absolutely timeless. PS I have no idea why I even clicked this thread. I thought a Heart of the Swarm post got necroed. All of this from a few minutes long carbot video,wow. | ||
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Deckard.666
152 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:29 iggym wrote: WoW was released into a genre that already had UO, Everquest, Asheron's Call, and DAoC, and was going head-to-head with Everquest II. People made the same argument when it was announced. I made that argument. There are two popular MOBAs out there, both are getting older, and it is not a saturated market. They're definitely taking on risk, but it can do well if the game is good. While it's true that WoW had success even though it was competing with already well established games, none of them were as big as LoL is now. LoL in it's current form dwarfs any of the old MMOs, and it's still growing. On top of that you throw in Dota 2 as additional competition, and the picture doesn't look pretty. That's not to say Blizzard Allstars doesn't have a chance, but really, you can't blame people for being skeptical about it. I myself am looking forward to Blizzard Allstars. Some concepts that have been shown in previews actually look pretty cool and innovative. I just hope they don't botch this. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:40 Greggle wrote: PS I have no idea why I even clicked this thread. I thought a Heart of the Swarm post got necroed. YOU BEST START BELIEVING IN GHOST STORIES MR.GREGGLE ! YOU ARE IN ONE ! | ||
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:29 iggym wrote: WoW was released into a genre that already had UO, Everquest, Asheron's Call, and DAoC, and was going head-to-head with Everquest II. People made the same argument when it was announced. I made that argument. There are two popular MOBAs out there, both are getting older, and it is not a saturated market. They're definitely taking on risk, but it can do well if the game is good. It absoluely can do well if it's good, but the problem is given the market right now, how good will good have to be? IMO for it to gain traction it will have to be literally the best game in the genre. That's a tall order. | ||
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Wiggins8
Germany107 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:52 Wiggins8 wrote: Well, at least better than this terrible Cardgame they made before. You're the first person I've seen to not compliment Hearthstone and spend thousands of dollars on it. >_> | ||
zere
Germany1287 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:53 Daralii wrote: You're the first person I've seen to not compliment Hearthstone and spend thousands of dollars on it. >_> That's stupid and very misleading; you are implying that there actually are people, lots of them, who do have beta access. | ||
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scares
Germany239 Posts
 I'm aloud to dream right? right? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:51 _SpiRaL_ wrote: It absoluely can do well if it's good, but the problem is given the market right now, how good will good have to be? IMO for it to gain traction it will have to be literally the best game in the genre. That's a tall order. I dont agree on that, it just has the be different than lol and dota. And thats pretty much guaranteed cause you play characters you know from other games, the lore is strong with this one! Who woudnt play a pokémon moba? :D | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
It turned out it's just Blizzard doing a nose dive. Oh well back to League of Legends for me! | ||
digmouse
China6332 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:53 Daralii wrote: You're the first person I've seen to not compliment Hearthstone and spend thousands of dollars on it. >_> Really? Myself and basically everyone I knew that had played a decent amount of magic got bored of it in a few weeks at most, I went back to magic and duel of champions within a month. God I wish draft was as easy to do as it is in HS though, that's the one thing that Blizzard did incredibly well, I even still open HS every once and a while to do Arenas despite not really liking the game anymore. With that being said, it's just the simplicity of the game that turned me off, everything else about Hearthstone is fucking amazing and I'm going to suggest it to any friends that haven't have any competitive magic experience or just want something different. It really reminds me of the old Blizzard games in a lot of ways. With that being said, the responses in this thread are kind of confusing to me. Wasn't the main complaint with Blizzard that they had strayed from their roots as a passionate game company and turned into some corporate mega-company? Because HS and Heroes seem to be Blizzard trying to stray from that and get back to their roots, and with the popularity of HS I think they've done quite well with it. | ||
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Ahli
Germany355 Posts
On October 18 2013 04:29 lolfail9001 wrote: It was at Blizzcon 2011, it was already stated that now it is stand alone. Probably because downloading 14+ GiB for arcade map is retarded. In addition to that, battle.net would have to be altered a bit to properly support HotStorm. But HotStorm is still using SC2's engine and the editor received multiple additions/changes/fixes because of it. <3 Due to an older change with spectators, I assume that they might add a way for spectators being able to join games. (Before spectators could interact with the game and then out of the blue, they "fixed" that. But that means that spectators can be separated from the played game now which would be required for that feature.) After that we will see which changes they can integrate into sc2's battle.net for LotV. At least I can see the possibility for that. It would surprise me, if they make HotStorm a part of the current sc2 installation, but that would be cool. I would love to use their assets directly in sc2 and maybe having a button within sc2 to start HotStorm would be really nice, too. | ||
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Trizz
Netherlands1323 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:01 pwnageoftheyear wrote: when in doubt, go moba when behind, dota-clone :D | ||
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