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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
May 05 2015 23:14 GMT
#8221
We've known for a real long time that this Kael'thas person was going to be the next Hero. Based on the reactions people have been giving, I'm inferring he's a well-liked character. Is/was he important in the WarCraft lore?
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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
May 05 2015 23:18 GMT
#8222
On May 06 2015 07:55 [Phantom] wrote:
Models have been shown of:

Warcraft:
Cho'Gall
Rexxar
Blade Master (not grom).

Diablo:
Butcher
Leoric
Skeleton King
Crusader.

StarCraft
None

Sound files of Dehaka have been data mined though.


Don't forget Vol'jin.

On May 06 2015 08:14 kingjames01 wrote:
We've known for a real long time that this Kael'thas person was going to be the next Hero. Based on the reactions people have been giving, I'm inferring he's a well-liked character. Is/was he important in the WarCraft lore?


Yeah, he's on the list of people who were epic in Warcraft, then got the "idiot raid boss" treatment in WoW.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4228 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 00:19:11
May 06 2015 00:18 GMT
#8223
On May 06 2015 08:18 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 07:55 [Phantom] wrote:
Models have been shown of:

Warcraft:
Cho'Gall
Rexxar
Blade Master (not grom).

Diablo:
Butcher
Leoric
Skeleton King
Crusader.

StarCraft
None

Sound files of Dehaka have been data mined though.


Don't forget Vol'jin.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 08:14 kingjames01 wrote:
We've known for a real long time that this Kael'thas person was going to be the next Hero. Based on the reactions people have been giving, I'm inferring he's a well-liked character. Is/was he important in the WarCraft lore?


Yeah, he's on the list of people who were epic in Warcraft, then got the "idiot raid boss" treatment in WoW.

I hear that complaint a lot, but a lot of Warcraft 1 and 2 characters will killed off in worse ways than "idiot raid boss treatment" in WoW. At least his appearences in WoW were pretty cool..
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Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
May 06 2015 00:23 GMT
#8224
On May 06 2015 08:07 Pwere wrote:
Sorry, but King Leoric and the Skeleton King are one and the same.
And I really hope the Butcher and Leoric are closer to their Diablo 1 versions than D3. No "Vegetables bad, meat good!" please.


I've thought this too, but honestly what was Diablo 1 Butcher except nightmare fuel for pre-teens?

All he did was run fast and hit you, he didn't have spells or special abilities and had a weakness to closed doors with windows next to them =p.

If you mean in character, then ya I hope he loses the camp and 'a species of demons' thing and is a unique monster again.

I actually never rolled the Skeleton King quest in Diablo 1 (usually tried to blow past the middle of the game) so I can't comment on what he was like back then.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 06 2015 01:08 GMT
#8225
On May 06 2015 09:23 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 08:07 Pwere wrote:
Sorry, but King Leoric and the Skeleton King are one and the same.
And I really hope the Butcher and Leoric are closer to their Diablo 1 versions than D3. No "Vegetables bad, meat good!" please.


I've thought this too, but honestly what was Diablo 1 Butcher except nightmare fuel for pre-teens?

All he did was run fast and hit you, he didn't have spells or special abilities and had a weakness to closed doors with windows next to them =p.

If you mean in character, then ya I hope he loses the camp and 'a species of demons' thing and is a unique monster again.

I actually never rolled the Skeleton King quest in Diablo 1 (usually tried to blow past the middle of the game) so I can't comment on what he was like back then.


I don't think any of the bosses in D1 had any special abilities...it was a simpler game.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
May 07 2015 17:55 GMT
#8226
I am not familiar with WoW lore but is Kael'thas "same" as Invoker? :D
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22519 Posts
May 07 2015 17:58 GMT
#8227
On May 08 2015 02:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I am not familiar with WoW lore but is Kael'thas "same" as Invoker? :D

only for looks and that is because Invoker used the Kael'thas model back when Dota was a mod for WC3
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 07 2015 19:29 GMT
#8228
Kael'thas seems to have Phoenix as an ultimate HEROIC ABILITY so it's like he's two Dota heroes in one
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 20:35:18
May 07 2015 20:35 GMT
#8229
On May 08 2015 04:29 Heyoka wrote:
Kael'thas seems to have Phoenix as an ultimate HEROIC ABILITY so it's like he's two Dota heroes in one


with 1/7 of the spells! ;P

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TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 21:43:45
May 07 2015 21:43 GMT
#8230
And completely boring/useless compared to the OPness of dota heroes.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
May 07 2015 23:09 GMT
#8231
On May 08 2015 06:43 TMG26 wrote:
And completely boring/useless compared to the OPness of dota heroes.


to compensate how boring Dota is ;<
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
May 07 2015 23:46 GMT
#8232
Why the dota vs heroes debate? Both are awesome games in their own rights.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 08 2015 07:56 GMT
#8233
I'm so sad we didn't beat C9M with that 3x Warrior comp, UGGGGGGHHHHHH WE HAD THAT GAME!
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 13:23:33
May 08 2015 13:21 GMT
#8234
Butcher ability was to hitlock you, which was my first experience of not being able to do anything but watch my character die.

Kaelthas was awesome until the moment he decided to aid Illidan. Arthas was atleast a jerk from minute one, so I didn't mind that he slowly lost everything.
I wonder which abilities they will give him ... every of his warcraft 3 abilities would be insanely op in team fights.

TBH I don't mind a ton of Warcraft heroes, but I really want a scifi themed battle ground.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
May 08 2015 16:30 GMT
#8235
On May 08 2015 22:21 FeyFey wrote:
Butcher ability was to hitlock you, which was my first experience of not being able to do anything but watch my character die.

Kaelthas was awesome until the moment he decided to aid Illidan. Arthas was atleast a jerk from minute one, so I didn't mind that he slowly lost everything.
I wonder which abilities they will give him ... every of his warcraft 3 abilities would be insanely op in team fights.

TBH I don't mind a ton of Warcraft heroes, but I really want a scifi themed battle ground.


Shit it would be so awesome if the Butcher had a Trait that allowed him to hit-lock opponents

And it makes sense that Warcraft heroes will be the majority; Warcraft is by far Blizzard's largest IP. However, they could stand to diversify the other universes a bit. There is absolutely no excuse for the Necromancer to be missing from the Diablo lineup.

Utter.

Fucking.

Bullshit.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
May 08 2015 17:06 GMT
#8236
New skins in development video that might be revealing the next hero after Kael.

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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
May 08 2015 18:37 GMT
#8237
yay more 10$ skins! owait...
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 18:54:37
May 08 2015 18:54 GMT
#8238
On May 08 2015 22:21 FeyFey wrote:
Butcher ability was to hitlock you, which was my first experience of not being able to do anything but watch my character die.

Kaelthas was awesome until the moment he decided to aid Illidan. Arthas was atleast a jerk from minute one, so I didn't mind that he slowly lost everything.
I wonder which abilities they will give him ... every of his warcraft 3 abilities would be insanely op in team fights.

TBH I don't mind a ton of Warcraft heroes, but I really want a scifi themed battle ground.



Well technically that was just how Diablo's hit / recovery mechanic worked. Butcher was just really fast, you couldn't out run him either. But maybe you're right and that could be some sort of trait, some built-in attack-speed debuff (reverse Overwhelming Presence if you will).

I'm curious about Kael'thas too.

Flamestrike seems like a given to keep.

From interviews I've seen, Illidan didn't keep manaburn because that would have been too OP (also frustratingly unfun) and Sylvanas' possession is so weak because controlling a hero would have been too 'unfun'.

So I'm not hopeful for drain mana staying. I don't know if he'll keep Banish either for that matter.

It's possible they'll go more the WoW fire mage route with him (he does have Pyroblast after all - but that was also something he had in WoW).

I hope his trait is a spell steal / purge ability to keep in character with the blood mages at least.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 10 2015 22:30 GMT
#8239
I find it kinda odd that Tychus has fallen so far out of favor -- relatively speaking. Sure, he's not shunned like Raynor, but I rarely see him anymore. And when I do see him, it seems like a stupidly largely percentage of players are taking laser drill of all things. I really don't get it. Tychus straight up dominates teamfights with Odin. Not only does Odin crap out a ton of huge AoE damage, but its range is longer than anyone's not named Hammer. Combine that range with First Aid and Stoneskin, and you have a hero puts out a ton of damage while being very safe to play. Have people just overreacted to his nerfs? Is he being crowded out by Jaina and Sylvanas? What am I missing?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46275 Posts
May 10 2015 23:38 GMT
#8240
Did we win pretty much just because we're all low level, because their team comp looks a lot more standard than ours lol... We were (slightly) ahead all game long. I suppose at the lower levels it's more about playing with a hero that you know how to play, rather than just picking an unknown hero simply to fill "its niche". Although it seems like pretty much every composition has 1 tank, 1 healer, and then 3 others.

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