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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 13:46:47
March 24 2015 13:44 GMT
#7721
Nazeebo as he is currently played got absolutely gutted

Some things I like:

ETC getting Hardened Shield

Tune down on Valla

Tune down on Zeratul

Tune up on Abathur

Tune up on Murky (I feel assault Murky may be viable now)

Tune up on Thrall

Tune down on Hammer


Overall I'm very happy with this patch.
Wat
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 13:47:30
March 24 2015 13:47 GMT
#7722
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/18401781/heroes-closed-beta-patch-notes-march-24-2015-3-24-2015


Around january I speculed that sylvanass patch and the new stats screen could be the last patch before release, now, I'm probably wrong, but I'll be dammed is open beta is not very close now after this UI redesign. (That I think I don't like >.< haha).
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 24 2015 13:56 GMT
#7723
RIP burst Zeratul. My baby is dead. I'm going to go curl up and cry in a corner. I may need some ice cream, too.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 24 2015 14:01 GMT
#7724
I'm glad the build is gone, personally. I'm not a big fan of stealthers being able to 100-0 people without the ability to counterplay it.
Wat
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 24 2015 14:05 GMT
#7725
With ETC getting hardened shield at 20 does that now make him the pretty much universal #1 warrior?
Wat
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 14:13:32
March 24 2015 14:12 GMT
#7726
You can counter play it. Look for the shimmer and predict where he will use his skill shot. Also if they 100-0, its because you were alone, and playing bad should be punishable.
They should have just put a man a cost on the second spike or remove rewind.

Even if ETC is the best warrior I'll never play him, he's just terribly boring.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 24 2015 14:15 GMT
#7727
On March 24 2015 23:12 [Phantom] wrote:
You can counter play it. Look for the shimmer and predict where he will use his skill shot. Also if they 100-0, its because you were alone, and playing bad should be punishable.
They should have just put a man a cost on the second spike or remove rewind.

Even if ETC is the best warrior I'll never play him, he's just terribly boring.


I'm not sure if you encountered how Zeratul is actually played ... or played well ... but you just blink ontop, Q, double bomb, rewind, Q, double bomb and blink back (possibly Wormhole back, not sure the interaction here with RW since I don't play Zera.) Since he's riding your nuts it is basically impossible to miss his W and he generally blinks from beyond sight range.
Wat
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 24 2015 14:18 GMT
#7728
There really isn't much counterplay against Zeratul burst. Either he lands his shit or he doesn't.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 14:24:42
March 24 2015 14:19 GMT
#7729
On March 24 2015 23:05 Tenks wrote:
With ETC getting hardened shield at 20 does that now make him the pretty much universal #1 warrior?

IMHO he already was.

I don't get all those Stitches nerfs... his health pool should be higher than other warriors because he has no escape. This is a 600hp loss at lv20.

On March 24 2015 23:15 Tenks wrote:
I'm not sure if you encountered how Zeratul is actually played ... or played well ... but you just blink ontop, Q, double bomb, rewind, Q, double bomb and blink back (possibly Wormhole back, not sure the interaction here with RW since I don't play Zera.) Since he's riding your nuts it is basically impossible to miss his W and he generally blinks from beyond sight range.

...which tells more about Rewind than Zeratul in itself. Ofc he's a beast after lvl20 because he can 100-0 Valla in a couple of seconds. Pre-20... not so much, and this nerf doesn't help.

I had a game where I misclicked the 16 talent, picking Stoneskin instead of Double Bombs... I felt so useless.

NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
March 24 2015 14:20 GMT
#7730
Several changes have been implemented which will prevent the cancellation of Ability casts when issuing Move commands, as well as when attempting to cast several Abilities in rapid succession.

Additionally, these changes will result in heightened input responsiveness for most Ability casts.

This will be the most important change of the patch. Really looking forward to it.

Also, Jaina BUFFS? That new level 20 talent will make her burst insane and the general damage increases are also gonna be nice. Having Chilled apply to Unstoppable units is huge. It'll help against Illidan but it'll really increase damage against golems and structures, since the 50% damage bonus (65% at lvl 7) depends on the effect being applied. She can actually be decent at killing towers now. Although she can't always be using her W to both shove the wave and to kill towers.

And Illidan untouched? I think he probably started to become clearly strong after a lot of these changes were decided. If he continues to be strong I'm sure he'll be weakened next patch.

Funny that Sonya's Whirlwind got buffed when it feels like her main weakness is having her Whirlwind stopped short.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 24 2015 14:27 GMT
#7731
On March 24 2015 23:19 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 23:05 Tenks wrote:
With ETC getting hardened shield at 20 does that now make him the pretty much universal #1 warrior?

IMHO he already was.

I don't get all those Stitches nerfs... his health pool should be higher than other warriors because he has no escape. This is a 600hp loss at lv20.

Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 23:15 Tenks wrote:
I'm not sure if you encountered how Zeratul is actually played ... or played well ... but you just blink ontop, Q, double bomb, rewind, Q, double bomb and blink back (possibly Wormhole back, not sure the interaction here with RW since I don't play Zera.) Since he's riding your nuts it is basically impossible to miss his W and he generally blinks from beyond sight range.

...which tells more about Rewind than Zeratul in itself. Ofc he's a beast after lvl20 because he can 100-0 Valla in a couple of seconds. Pre-20... not so much, and this nerf doesn't help.

I had a game where I misclicked the 16 talent, picking Stoneskin instead of Double Bombs... I felt so useless.




I think they need to look at pretty much all these "get a free one afterwards" talents. They are just clear-cut the best ones to take at tiers. Do you ever see Zeratul not go double bomb or Tass not go double storm? They're too good to pass up.
Wat
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 24 2015 14:28 GMT
#7732
Wah health reduce on hammer QQ . I liked her tanky build. Hardened shield Mosh Pit will be scary.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 24 2015 14:30 GMT
#7733
On March 24 2015 23:28 FeyFey wrote:
Wah health reduce on hammer QQ . I liked her tanky build. Hardened shield Mosh Pit will be scary.


She needed a nerf and the best way was to make her more squishy. Considering she'll still be basically unhittable at 20 I'm not sure if it is even that huge a deal.
Wat
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
March 24 2015 14:31 GMT
#7734
good news i made a patch thread

painstakingly i might add
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
March 24 2015 14:32 GMT
#7735
On March 24 2015 23:27 Tenks wrote:

I think they need to look at pretty much all these "get a free one afterwards" talents. They are just clear-cut the best ones to take at tiers. Do you ever see Zeratul not go double bomb or Tass not go double storm? They're too good to pass up.

Actually a lot of Tassadar players take Dimensional Warp @16

Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 24 2015 14:34 GMT
#7736
On March 24 2015 23:32 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 23:27 Tenks wrote:

I think they need to look at pretty much all these "get a free one afterwards" talents. They are just clear-cut the best ones to take at tiers. Do you ever see Zeratul not go double bomb or Tass not go double storm? They're too good to pass up.

Actually a lot of Tassadar players take Dimensional Warp @16



Hm you're right. I must be out of the Tass meta.
Wat
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 24 2015 14:37 GMT
#7737
Wow, some nice changes in this patch.

Like the Murky changes a lot, especially the new talent and Pufferfish's cast time reduced by 75%(!).

Nazeebo took a hit which is ok in my book even though he is one of my most played heroes. However, Gargantuan will remain close to useless as long as you aren't able to control him like Kerrigan and Jaina can control their summons.

Viking's new talent won't do much in my opinion, upgraded Boat or their trait is a lot more valuable. They didn't get a big nerf at all, which is a bit strange.

Stitches got hit quite a bit(and like I proposed his both ultimate upgrades on level 20 got buffed, I don't think that it is enough but it is a good start) and even though he is my most played hero, he definitely deserves it.

Valla is nerfed but it doesn't affect me that much.

Uther and Zeratul nerfs were very much needed, finally!

Some nice stuff like Hardened Shield for ETC, and new Jaina-only talent(didn't play her more than to level 5 so I don't know how much it will affect her gameplay). Can't comment on the rest since I didn't play them much or at all.

Overall really nice patch, I like it.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
March 25 2015 09:56 GMT
#7738
Also is there any hero tier list post patch?
And the most awesome/the worst skin list?

I'm just wondering which hero should I buy now. Was thinking about Tychus / Diablo or Tyrael. Any of them sees competetive play?
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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
March 25 2015 11:18 GMT
#7739
Just play what you like the most, they're all decent. Tyrael will be reworked in a future patch, so you may want to wait for a bit, while Diablo is probably the most competitive right now (as in, pre patch).


DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46516 Posts
March 25 2015 14:27 GMT
#7740
What's the best/ fastest way to collect gold? My level isn't high enough yet for hero league or team league, but do you get more gold per game in those types than in quick match and cooperative? I'm doing the daily quests, I have a stimpack, and I've been leveling each hero up to level 5 (gold bonus) since I want to try out each hero anyway (and level 5 is hit after about only 4 games with stimpack, so it's not that big a deal).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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