EPT$250K World Championship: EU Qual Tournament Rules - Page 3
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S_SienZ
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Ioannis
Greece62 Posts
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morningrise
Germany0 Posts
On May 24 2014 00:55 Nekovivie wrote: Well don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the ladder is corrupt, but I remember reading topics on here about how high ranked players would "sit" on their rank once they broke high MMR. Since you seem to lose a lot more MMR from a loss and you gain from a win, this made ousting these players from the top of the ladder extremely difficult, even for top caliber players who hold 80% win rate. Since Blizzard are picking the top 16 from each season, isn't the motivation for people to sit on their rank even greater? I really don't think you can blame these players who camp their ranks though or call them out for cheating the system in any way. The seasons are short enough as is, if Blizzard now also introduced a rating decay of sorts, that'd be even more time you 'need' to spend on ladder and also more emphasis on great rng-streaks towards the end. If your goal is just to have a nice ranking at the end of the season while also getting into the EU-Qualifier, there really isn't much reason to risk that position once you've reached it, you can still practice in private games with friends and participate in tournaments. As I pointed out in my earlier post, it's really hard to break into top 16 and even the players at the absolute top won't be able to reproduce that feat like it's nothing. If you'd set the current rank 1-3 legend guys back to 50, I actually think it's more likely for them to fall below 200 than to break back into top 5 on their first try. Might be a different thing for streamers who actually make money off of streaming their ladder experience, but even they can just switch to a different region once they've reached their goal. You're right on the top 16 stuff encouraging people to sit on those ranks - or rather the top 8 probably, everyone below that already knows that he/she won't be safe there with so many people behind them trying to push into top 16 themselves. And I don't really see the reason why a player who went 80%+ win rate for 20+ games to get his place in the top 8 should be inferior to another "top caliber player" holding 80% win. If that other guy is really getting 80% wins for a long period of time, he'll make it as well. And if he doesn't make it, his streak probably still wasn't as long/good/lucky as the one of the guys in front of him, that's just how it works. There'll still be the actual tournament(s) for a more direct comparison between the top tier players. On May 24 2014 01:15 S_SienZ wrote: You also have to be far ahead enough to be comfortable just sitting though, if I'm not mistaken. People can still surpass you by grinding more games with an equal / better win rate while you're not playing. Yeah, TheFallen for example got to rank 2 very early in the last season, didn't play for a while and started to lose ranks up to 10 or so, then played back up to 2 again about halfway through the season and by the end he still barely stayed in the top 10. And that's from rank 2, now imagine the players who were at 5-16 at the time when he got up to 2 a second time. I don't think any of them were still in the top 16 two weeks later without playing and winning some more games themselves. | ||
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rain24
Canada0 Posts
While I think it is true that getting into top 16 is more difficult in the season, many of the top legend players have sick streaks so that says something about consistency, skill, and luck imo. Personally, I don't think introducing decay would be a good idea, it's already grindy enough as it is | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On May 23 2014 16:45 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Well I cant argue with that I guess. My original point was though that I personally have a good record, even vs top legend players (on EU) and the only reason I think I wont make it to Top16 is limited time, which really annoys me. Obviously you dont have to believe me and its always hard to prove yourself if you're some anonymous dude, but the end of this year I will have more time and will aim to proving myself worthy of my claims  Last season u needed like 9-0 to get top 16 from rank 30, add 2-3 wins per loss I dunno about this seaso tho but yes it takes time However u need a good streak and luck too and it's not easy Saying u haven't made it into top 16 cuz u don't have the time is the lamest excuse and discredit to top 16 players | ||
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Eggi
478 Posts
On May 25 2014 05:28 prodigyHS wrote: Last season u needed like 9-0 to get top 16 from rank 30, add 2-3 wins per loss I dunno about this seaso tho but yes it takes time However u need a good streak and luck too and it's not easy Saying u haven't made it into top 16 cuz u don't have the time is the lamest excuse and discredit to top 16 players It really is about time though no? Its no different than Pokemon TCG invites to world championships. In PTCG the top40 highest ranked ELO ranked players would get invites to world championships. How do you get top40? You would need to go to as many tournaments and do well at them. Option B) was winning premier tournaments. I only went to 2-4 tournaments a year while the high "elo" players would go to 20+ events. It takes time to get top16 since its not a 100% skill game, not even 90% skill game.(not currently, not ever) This means you will incur losses through just pure luck, and like you say 2-3 wins = 1 loss so you need the time to grind out games. I have FT job and FT stream, no time to hit top 16 at the moment, I would have to take away time from streaming to get top16(maybe). Streaming = snipes+lower level playing since you are usually focused more on the stream rather than the game.(at least I am) Time is the biggest factor in reaching top16 just like it was in PTCG to get a high ELO. You just have to play, alot.(assuming you are a decent legendary player with a decent strategical thinking). It doesn't discredit them, but just because your top16 in Hearthstone Legend, is nothing like comparing it to top16 Grandmaster in Starcraft 2 because you can see the skill difference in the players. Most if not all top100 legend players can compete with anyone from any rank, its just a matter of putting in the hours and playing the game right. Now this being said, you do have an advantage, which is playing a fuckton of games. The more games you play in hearthstone the more of a "second sense" you get as I like to call it. I really compare Hearthstone to a pseudo-poker. You can really make alot of good plays based on tells from the opponent how he is playing etc so you get more experience as you play more games. Its just a bit of time+luck to get top16.(dont forget I am assuming you are a decent player) Its not like SC2 where MC goes 100-2 on ladder and get Rank1 Grandmaster. You will never see that in Hearthstone, just because it is a card game and luck does play a factor, so you have to balance your bad luck by putting more time in. Simple equation really. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On May 25 2014 05:28 prodigyHS wrote: Last season u needed like 9-0 to get top 16 from rank 30, add 2-3 wins per loss I dunno about this seaso tho but yes it takes time However u need a good streak and luck too and it's not easy Saying u haven't made it into top 16 cuz u don't have the time is the lamest excuse and discredit to top 16 players its not lame excuse at all i win vs most of the top players as much as i lose to them . i am currently 350 on eu legend and i have not played nearly as much as all of the streamers (i cant comment on other players), but i have only been playing 8 games since hitting legend for example. so no, its not a lame excuse , its a justified claim that my chances of making it to top16 are nearly zero because of the numbers of games played. obviously saying that doesnt mean that playing more games guarantees me getting top16, but not playing a lot of games guarantees me not getting top16. eggis post explains it pretty good | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
On May 24 2014 01:45 Ioannis wrote: Well apparently the only country in the world that cannot compete is Greece.... even if you are a high legend player you can't do anything ... Great... gj Blizz You arent a high ranked legend player and i dont think anyone from greece was ever top 16 legend anyway. | ||
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Dasvi
Greece4 Posts
On May 28 2014 15:30 ffswowsucks wrote: You arent a high ranked legend player and i dont think anyone from greece was ever top 16 legend anyway. Actually 2 Greek players were top 16 Legend in the April season.... | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
I get that they want the tournament to make a big "splash" but rewarding the "best player" and giving next to nothing to the rest just feels wrong with Hearthstone being as volatile as it is. Not to big of a problem if this makes it hard to live off Hearthstone though, since you do not really need to play it 10+ hours a day to play at a higher level like SC2. You could be the worlds greatest Hearthstone player and have a life as well. | ||
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Sutty
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
On May 28 2014 23:08 Dasvi wrote: Actually 2 Greek players were top 16 Legend in the April season.... Who were they? Also i said i think so i might be wrong. If thats the case then yeah its a pitty greece isnt able to fight for this | ||
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Dasvi
Greece4 Posts
On May 29 2014 14:58 ffswowsucks wrote: Who were they? Also i said i think so i might be wrong. If thats the case then yeah its a pitty greece isnt able to fight for this Dethelor - Rank 4 NaSoMaNiAC - Rank 9 | ||
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