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What about minion attacking face and there is Misdirection into Freezing Trap into Snake Trap, can it proc all 3?

So what if I have Truesilver Champion and Shadowboxer and hunter has 1 health minion and Snake Trap I attack the minion and Shadowboxer kills it, does Snake Trap proc?

On September 20 2016 22:54 Hearken wrote:
Everything I've read about Snake Trap and trap priorities is just confusing. The wiki states that traps should trigger in order, but it seems that Snake Trap has had an increased priority since patch 4.0.


If the attack is misdirected into one of the hunter's minions, it will proc all three. However, I'm confused as to whether it will trigger in order, meaning the attacking minion is returned without actually completing an attack and taking damage. I believe it should proc all three but be returned to your hand without completing the attack and taking damage:

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If the Shadowboxer kills the Truesilver target, your Truesilver attack will be cancelled. You'll get healed and then have the opportunity to choose another target and get a second heal on the same turn:

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Based on what I've read, it would seem that Snake Trap does not trigger in this instance, as the attack target was killed during the preparation phase so no attack took place, but like I say, it's all very confusing.

What if I attacked face with Truesilver Champion got Misdirection into a minion do Explosive Trap, Bear Trap and Snake Trap all proc?

What if I attacked face with Truesilver Champion got Misdirection into a minion that get's killed by Shadowboxer? does it still trigger Snake Trap?

What if there were Explosive Trap and Bear Trap would both of them trigger?

What if Hunter is at 1 health and Shadowboxer kills Hunter, then my paladin is at 2 health and gets Misdirection into 2 attack minion, so 2 from minion + 2 from Explosive Trap kills paladin too?

2) Hunter has Knife Juggler 2/2 and Snake Trap and Freezing Trap. Paladin has 2/1 minion and attacks the Knife Juggler, does it matter which order the secrets were played?

On September 21 2016 17:45 Hearken wrote:
I'm assuming this is further to the above scenario, in which case Explosive will still trigger (when) while Bear won't (after). However, if the Explosive kills the Shadowboxer, then Snake will obviously still proc.

On September 21 2016 17:45 Hearken wrote:
No. The attack doesn't go through as the target is no longer there. You'll get to pick another target for your Truesilver and get a second heal on the same turn.

On September 22 2016 03:22 Madars wrote:

Are you sure that Explosive Trap triggers before Shadowboxer deals 1 damage?

Because every Proposed Attack Event resolves before the Attack Event, some triggers on attacking will always trigger before others regardless of order of play. For example, Explosive Trap always triggers before Truesilver Champion, and Freezing Trap always triggers before Blessing of Wisdom.

It is commonly said that Truesilver Champion heals you before Explosive Trap, and that's why you stay alive. This is not true - you actually stay alive because your hero cannot die in the middle of a Phase (which the Preparation Phase is), and that is also why the order of play does not matter.[201][202] (Similar interactions, such as Floating Watcher vs Explosive Trap, work the same way.)[203]

On September 22 2016 03:29 Melliflue wrote:
I would add that I don't know if the age of the Truesilver Champion is important. Does Truesilver Champion always trigger before any secrets? Truesilver Champion says "Whenever" which is equivalent to "When" for the secrets. So in the following example


I don't know if the Truesilver Champion would always trigger before the Misdirection. If the Misdirection were older then it may trigger first and proceed as you said but if Truesilver Champion were older then its heal might trigger before Misdirection at which point the minion would already be dead before Misdirection picked a target, thus Misdirection would pick from the remaining options.

But, like Hearken, I don't know with certainty, this is only what I think would happen. There do seem to be a few rules for it though (but I might have these wrong too);
- Secrets trigger from earliest played to most recently played.
- Secrets won't trigger if an earlier secret has removed the target (eg, there is a big difference with Misdirection into Freezing Trap and Freezing Trap into Misdirection.)
- None-target secrets trigger so long as the condition is met, even if another secret breaks the condtion (eg, Explosive Trap will always trigger regardless of the existence of Freezing Trap, similarly Ice Barrier will always trigger regardless of Vaporize.)

Overall though I agree with Hearken's thoughts on what would happen in your examples, but I am not certain.

It is commonly said that Truesilver Champion heals you before Explosive Trap, and that's why you stay alive. This is not true - you actually stay alive because your hero cannot die in the middle of a Phase (which the Preparation Phase is), and that is also why the order of play does not matter.

It works as intended. 'Truesilver Champion' is supposed to heal the paladin when he attacks, but not when he executes the attack. The moment he decided to attack you, his weapon procced the heal, then your secret(s) activate in order they were played.

Explosive Trap always triggers before Truesilver Champion,

On September 23 2016 03:51 Melliflue wrote:
Thing seem contradictory though, which I guess is a result of tinkering by Blizzard over time. The battle.net link contains the quotewhich contradicts the advanced rulebook
I'm never sure what sources to trust when it comes to Hearthstone. The advanced rulebook uses a lot of fancy terms but it nevertheless is unofficial and their best guess as to a rulebook. It is wonderful that they have gone to so much effort, still it would be very helpful if Blizzard released an actual rulebook, and tidied up some of their card text. Thanks for the work though Hearken