EPTI forgot which game exactly it was (the one where Kripp almost made an impossible comeback with Rag I think?), but I felt it was some of the highest skill displayed on the tournament. Too back the comeback wasn't completed because of consecration.
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FrodaN
754 Posts
I forgot which game exactly it was (the one where Kripp almost made an impossible comeback with Rag I think?), but I felt it was some of the highest skill displayed on the tournament. Too back the comeback wasn't completed because of consecration. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Learned alot from it, well i hope  | ||
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
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wizard`
8 Posts
I wonder how many people who think Hearthstone is super random as to whether or not you win or lose win half their games. | ||
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memzy
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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ChanmanV
United States1156 Posts
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gdTyrael
49 Posts
Starting first has a little advantage cause it puts you in a position of agressiveness, where when you start second your probably playing reactively from the start given both players have something to play on the first turns, blizzard already said that recently. But the point is the same, this game is very unforgiving when you start to get behind and forced to play passively, its very easy to lose control of the board. Now when you start bad, its very frustrating, there so little you can do sometimes. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
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Liveon
Netherlands1083 Posts
I also agree with your notion of topdecking and I've been saying this when I streamed as well (people called me out for being lucky, where I started to list all the cards that would've finished the game ^^). Looking forward to another piece of this. | ||
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Algis
Netherlands86 Posts
Its a lot of fun to try to decide what move you yourself would have made, see what the players did, and then read your guys opinion on it so I know I was right and can feel good about it :p. What about adding besides the picture stuff like what weapon the person has, what cards where played previously etc. before the text abut the mistake? That way lazy people like me can just not look at the vod at all when thinking about it first themselves. edit: in the pictures for trump turn 10 and turn 11 he has still all cards and mana in his hand, and in the description you don't mention cards played earlier this turn so you can only know the full turn he played from the vod. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On November 27 2013 16:59 gdTyrael wrote: Not sure I agree, the very fact Hearthstone is a card game, luck plays a huge factor, even more when you consider that the current meta is fast aggro decks, what can you do when you draw a terrible initial hand with all 5 mana cards? you replace all of them and still get 2 argent commanders and an Azure Drake? and your opponent draws a very good initial hand full of 1 and 2 mana cards... you'r probably dead before the game starts, by the turn you start making something is too late (yes you even drew bad stuff on the first turns). Unless you build a deck with no 4,5,6 mana cards you will be always open in having a bad starting game. So plz don't tell me skill is such huge factor cause its not. I would say its 60/40 at best if you have a very good deck to minimize for the randomness. Starting first has a little advantage cause it puts you in a position of agressiveness, where when you start second your probably playing reactively from the start given both players have something to play on the first turns, blizzard already said that recently. But the point is the same, this game is very unforgiving when you start to get behind and forced to play passively, its very easy to lose control of the board. Now when you start bad, its very frustrating, there so little you can do sometimes. Skill is easily a bigger factor than 60/40. The scenario you described is indeed possible, but it would be nice if you didn't go ahead and ignore the entire article's in-depth analysis of high-level Hearthstone games and instead just go for a cherry-picked instance of why you think your claim is true. The fact is that despite big starting hand advantages on either side in Artosis vs. Trump, the article does a very well substantiated analysis that illustrates big mistakes that both players made, and showed that there was still lots of room for improvement in both players' decisionmaking, and showed that the games could have easily gone differently had better decisions been made. | ||
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pmpch
Switzerland28 Posts
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LonelyCat
United Kingdom130 Posts
Card games are always going to have luck elements that could dictate games, but the best players will take these things into account when making decisions (which alleviates it some). Add to that the fact tournaments (especially money tournaments) will probably best of 3/5 series, plus either modified-swiss or round robin setups will help massively reduce the effect luck has. The other thing to remember with Hearthstone right now is that we're still in closed beta, and perhaps aggro deck mirrors can have very luck based results but this can always be changed if it becomes an issue (which i'm not sure it is). | ||
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Cal1gula
United States1 Post
Trump takes 3 damage from the Juggler attack and 1 extra from the knife when the 2nd Juggler is played. Then on Turn 3, Artosis plays a 2nd Juggler, and now Trump chooses to drop a 2nd Engineer and then Claw. At this point he's already taken the extra damage and he's down to 22 hp after the second Juggler attack. A few turns later, Artosis has a 5/5 Imp on the board, Trump is at 14 hp and the game is pretty much decided. | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
On December 01 2013 09:56 Cal1gula wrote: One of the bigger mistakes I found was, in game 1, Trump playing Gnomish Engineer on Turn 2 with Artosis' Knife Juggler out, instead of playing Claw. Sure he got the best usage out of the mana but the card advantage meant very little at that point. Trump takes 3 damage from the Juggler attack and 1 extra from the knife when the 2nd Juggler is played. Then on Turn 3, Artosis plays a 2nd Juggler, and now Trump chooses to drop a 2nd Engineer and then Claw. At this point he's already taken the extra damage and he's down to 22 hp after the second Juggler attack. A few turns later, Artosis has a 5/5 Imp on the board, Trump is at 14 hp and the game is pretty much decided. Yeah that's why I don't really like early engineer unless you already have shattered cleric sitting in your hand. Can't really trade with anything except 1 drops and a few of the two mana 2/1s (which have other abilities anyway). | ||
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puffin
United States3 Posts
I noticed in Game 2 Turn 6 for Artosis he played Truesilver Champion to take out the Azure Drake and taking 2 damage and sacrificing 3 charges of his Light's Justice in the process. I think the better play there would have to have sacced the 1/1 into the Azure Drake and play Defender of Argus to buff the 3/3 Argent protector to 4/4 and the 2/2 with Divine Shield to 3/3 and attack into the Azure Drake to kill it only losing the shield. He would've been left with 4/4 4/4 and 3/3 minions on Trump's Turn 6 which is a lot more pressure (basically forcing a Cone of Cold or Blizzard, but with the health to take it, and one turn away from a Flamestrike. All while not losing 2 life in the process and using up another charge on the Light's Justice and saving the Truesilver Champion for later. It just seems like the more optimal play there. | ||
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