On August 03 2009 18:12 Arkqn wrote: Pirating and dl music illegaly is destroying the music industry. Artists are forced to play in the festivals to make money, because cds aren't sold anymore. And it's getting worse everyday.
But dl free music gives the oportunity to many unknown artists to be discovered. I think when you dl music, you should just keep it to yourself and not sharing it.
Oh no! They actually have to work to make money? *gasp*
I don't support the concept of intellectual property, so, yeah. This is dumb.
In the context of coming up with an idea actually meaning you "own" it...then this is completely valid. He stole another person's property and the (unjust, heavily lobbied, idiotic) law as it stands sets the price at what they're claiming, give or take.
The musicians themselves need to get paid for their music otherwise they couldn't make music as they couldn't support themselves. Its the industry that grew into a greedy corporation that raised prices. Pirating IS wrong but the whole way that the industry is attacking back is retarded and should be curbed. Besides Don't musicians make more money on concerts and shirts and shit then they do on the CDs? They could lower CD prices as a show that they care and it would make people come back to legit buying. Pirating will always be there but they can fight it by making it less worth it that way and by not being so hostile.
On August 03 2009 18:32 JohnColtrane wrote: i spend heaps of time jerking off and spending money on condoms / pills / porn, so that automatically makes it 'my job?' and it deserves a return?
lol get real buddy
well, it might be valuable to me (us?) that some musicians can spend all of their time thinking about music, instead of doing some exhausting job that takes all their energy.
Despite all the efforts by record companies to the contrary, the connection between free sharing and lower buying ratio couldn't be proven.
I see the whole discussion about recording rights in a bigger picture. All the "conservative" media like newspapers, recording companies, TV broadcastings still need to get used to the "new" situation of internet age systemwise. Especially pricewise.
Like... how many times has one dled something from internet, didn't like it that much and threw it away after couple of days? Do the traditional recording companies offer any form of "tryouts"? No attempt ever seen. Should one pay 20$ for a tryout? No. So whats the answer?
On August 03 2009 18:32 JohnColtrane wrote: i spend heaps of time jerking off and spending money on condoms / pills / porn, so that automatically makes it 'my job?' and it deserves a return?
I find it absurd for how much money (or for which "crimes") people can be sued in the US. Suing McDonalds for 2.84 million for serving hot coffee? Wicked Sick. It's very obvious that a student can never have so much money. Make it 1500 bucks and the guy will learn his lesson. 675000$ is in no way in a reasonable relation to the damage caused.
On August 03 2009 17:26 JohnColtrane wrote: you know what else gives musicians incentive to make music?
passion
Yeah of course but I don't see why the two should be mutually exclusive
You don't see how the artist's message can be manipulated by greed? They don't have to be mutually exclusive, but take a look at the type of songs being produced by major record labels today. They can manufacture artists that will sell the same stereotypical music because it makes money. Today, artists adhere to the audience's demands for music, not vice-versa. Foucault should take a lesson from Chomsky, and not just on linguistics and inherent human cognition.
Some of the opinions expressed in this thread clearly come from kids who are still in high school; that, or they simply have no idea how the real world works.
What the fuck, "real" musicians release music for free? LOL. That's completely bullshit. Yea, I guess doctors treat people for free and supermarkets give us free shit and we all live in a happy little communist country? Yea fucking right. Even if what you're doing is humanitarian work you still need compensation even if it is only free housing or food. You can't just fucking doing something for your living and not make any money from it. Musicians do not reach widespread audiences without the help of a label and they have to pay a ton of the proceeds out throughout that organization. That's just how life works. If you want to whine you can whine about that. Saying that "true" musicians play music for the music's sake may be moderately true but if that's all they made music for we wouldn't have music after awhile because they'd all be dead as fuck.
On August 03 2009 18:32 JohnColtrane wrote: i spend heaps of time jerking off and spending money on condoms / pills / porn, so that automatically makes it 'my job?' and it deserves a return?
lol get real buddy
if u post a vid of urself jerking of and ppl like it, then it makes it ur job ;P and would deserve a return.
NoobsOfWrath, how do you think record labels select songs or artists? How do songs get on the radio? Who chooses them? Who owns radio? Is it in the owners' (almost owner's) best interest to put some songs on the radio as opposed to others?
Musicians would certainly prefer to be paid, but many are now opting to sign with independent labels. "True" musicians will continue to play music whether they are paid or not.
True musicians will have no choice but to stop playing music for a living when it ceases to put food on the table. Sure musicians can still play in their spare time; I suppose one can try to shop demos around while working some other job and many do, but my point was merely that suggesting that a "true" musician plays for no other reason than the love of music is naive (in my opinion). It is pretentious to suggest that one is only a "true" musician if one plays only for the love of the music, regardless of critical acclaim, financial success, etc. I did overreact a little, although I guess that's my tendency.
On the actual topic, of course it's absolutely ridiculous to fine the student such a huge amount of money. As someone suggested the student may as well bring in a HD full of music and have them sue him for 20 million; his capability to pay off either fine would be about the same. It is also the RIAA's own fault for tenaciously ignoring all studies related to P2P music sharing and how to successfully use it to market music. They are falling into the same trap that so many ailing businesses are today; an inability, more like refusal, to admit the power of the internet and thus a business model that does not at all take advantage of the changing landscape. You see it all over the place; the example that comes to mind right this moment is Blockbuster vs Netflix.
I'm really tempted to go into tenuously relevant rant about healthcare costs in the US but I'll contain myself.
1) Make the fine equivalent to the "damage done" = CD cost + lawyer if necessary and nobody can complain. 700k for this is bullshit. They won't get the money, anyway. Greedy fucking bastards.
2) People shouldn't be so quick to pull the piracy-stinks-trigger since there are major benefits that can be reaped from it. If only they knew how to do it right.
"Piracy is good?" -
edit: Wow, didn't know this was implemented automatically. Nice. There's 7 parts in total, so you may want to watch this in your spare 50 minutes.
3) Lastly, the music industry should put things into perspective. They've been expecting their benefits to stay the same or even grow steadily.... which is totally bonkers. If people don't want to pay these prices for a CD anymore, find another way to make money (hint, hint: live shows), and MAYBE, just maybe, cut back on your expectations. No more 10 luxurious mansions? Too bad. Now of course this mainly applies to the big names in the music industry, 'small' bands will probably, as they always have, have to struggle for a while longer (though, at the same time, some of them will rise to fame THROUGH this active sharing community), until some day a better system comes along that's win-win for everyone.
I always thought there was something called the 8th ammendment which says no "cruel and unusual punishments"
I hardly see how you can be fined so much for "copyright infringement" when the actual songs themselves cost like 30 bucks max.
Then again, I supposed if he uploaded them 675,000 times I could see how they could make a case. On the other hand, I think he hardly uploaded 3mb * 675,000 = 2.025 TBs worth of data before they caught him. And that's a low end estimate.
im just wondering, does 1 CD really have to cost 25$, its kind of a deterrent for me to buy when its that high, would it be so bad if they were 10$, id buy more then for sure, like this i could afford like 1 album every 2 months, and that would make me sad
On August 03 2009 16:48 On_Slaught wrote: It's because he was the only one of many stupid enough to actually fight the charges and try to justify it with some bullshit.
I imagine they just randomly select one poor bastard to make an example of every now and then to scare people into buying music (although I'd never really buy a CD unless I really wanted it, they are just a huge rip off).
It's not really stealing so I don't see anything overly wrong with it, or more accurately what is wrong with it is greatly exaggerated.
isnt this the perfect case to get thrown out for profiling? its illegal and unconstitutional to pursue 1 individual when there is available information of others committing the same crime with the information they have.. you cant pursue charges on one and not the other, and if you do it should be thrown out. This is how u get out of speed trap tickets claim that they saw a young male driving a sports car and pulled u over when they let the grandma in the minivan who was going the same speed in front of u go.
this should get thrown out at the appeals court... if i ever look out my peep hole and see Feds im going right to my bath room filling up the tub then smashing my computer with a bat and throwing it in the full bath tub plugged in.. then i unplug it and start the tub draining and go answer the door...
"Hello? who are u?" "we have a warrant to search" "be my guest... omg i just had an accident with my laptop in the bathroom while i was shitting w/ the shower running listening to music =( "
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