EPTI hope the diplomatic and economic pressure will eventually force Japan and others to drastically reduce their catch. But once again, there doesn't seem to be stringent enough international law that applies here.
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Number41
United States130 Posts
I hope the diplomatic and economic pressure will eventually force Japan and others to drastically reduce their catch. But once again, there doesn't seem to be stringent enough international law that applies here. | ||
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agarfin
United States106 Posts
Additionally, while I think its good that the show draws lots of attention to whaling. As a show it is horrible. It is 45 minutes of over-dramatic nothing. It has the same amount of content as an American Idol results show. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
(June 14) -- Japanese officials bribed six small nations with offers of cash and call girls in return for their votes in favor of slaughtering whales, according to a newspaper investigation. Japan denies the accusations, but The Sunday Times reported that two of its journalists filmed government officials from six countries admitting they were bribed by Japan to vote with the pro-whalers. Source | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
That's nothing new, it's pretty much a major theme of 'The Cove'. Good thing they got it on tape though, hope it sticks. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Auckland anti-whaling activist Peter Bethune, 45, has been sentenced to two years in prison, suspended for five years, for obstructing the activities of a Japanese whaling fleet in the Antarctic Ocean, the Kyodo news agency reported. Source | ||
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BlackJack
United States10478 Posts
lol I wonder what that will be like for him. Going to Japanese prison as an anti-whaler. Are Japanese prisons anything like prisons in the US? | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
I don't have any issue with arguments along the lines of "whaling at X level is unsustainable", but when Greenpeace starts saying "whaling is unsustainable at any level" you know you're dealing with fanatic douchebags. It is quite simple. There exists a population, lets call it X, at which whales can grow their population by Y each year. This is a sustainable population. The fact that such a population exists is a necessary mathematical truth. If you have problems with sustainability, fine - push for laws that put a quota on whaling takes every year, or whatever makes sure that whale populations don't fall below X. But there is nothing special about whales that makes them any different from deer or bison or any other fish, for that matter. If people want to eat whale, and they're willing to pay what it costs to get whale at a given level of scarcity, there is no reason they should not be allowed to do so. Every time the fat fuck starts saying shit like "we want to put the fear into them that they put into whales" I rage. | ||
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Atticus.axl
United States456 Posts
On July 07 2010 15:27 kzn wrote: It is quite simple. There exists a population, lets call it X, at which whales can grow their population by Y each year. This is a sustainable population. The fact that such a population exists is a necessary mathematical truth. If you have problems with sustainability, fine - push for laws that put a quota on whaling takes every year, or whatever makes sure that whale populations don't fall below X. If people want to eat whale, and they're willing to pay what it costs to get whale at a given level of scarcity, there is no reason they should not be allowed to do so. Every time the fat fuck starts saying shit like "we want to put the fear into them that they put into whales" I rage. 1. Agreed. 2. There are already international bans on whaling aside from research purposes. Japan whales to sell the meat and claims it is for research, while ignoring quotas. 3. Ever heard of the Dodo? 4. Also agreed. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 07 2010 15:35 Atticus.axl wrote:3. Ever heard of the Dodo? Again, an issue of improperly set quotas. Set the quotas, harshly penalize overfishing. Problem solved. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The delta boat is stuck on the rocks and what do they do, they REV the engine. Do they not also have some sort of schedule for Deck watch. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10478 Posts
On July 31 2010 14:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This had to be the sorriest episode of the season so far. + Show Spoiler + The delta boat is stuck on the rocks and what do they do, they REV the engine. Do they not also have some sort of schedule for Deck watch. It's kind of unfortunate because the entire season has just been fail after fail. The Japanese have just been too fast and too good at evading that the only drama that the show can create is their own screw ups. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On July 07 2010 15:11 BlackJack wrote: lol I wonder what that will be like for him. Going to Japanese prison as an anti-whaler. Are Japanese prisons anything like prisons in the US? Whaling isn't really a big topic, for or against, in Japan. From what I hear, it's 'nobody cares' not 'whaling, fuck yeah!' | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ProFail
Korea (North)81 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On August 13 2010 22:23 ProFail wrote: tvunderground org ruLove the programme, but I dont think I can get it in England, despite having sky i've never seen it? Watched it all online (illegally) but now the website has been taken down and im left without whale wars, Inspirational programme, love what they're doing. I watched 3 episodes and didn't like it. It's funny how they're so unorganized that the biggest threat against them is their own incompetence. But some people here got it all wrong. The most harmful thing they do is throwing stink bombs. They're not endangering anyone's life. Labeling them as "terrorists" is completely ignorant. They're not trying to cause terror neither are they inflicting any direct damage. They're main and most powerful weapons are the cameras and they're main goal is to move the public opinion. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On August 13 2010 22:53 VIB wrote: tvunderground org ru I watched 3 episodes and didn't like it. It's funny how they're so unorganized that the biggest threat against them is their own incompetence. But some people here got it all wrong. The most harmful thing they do is throwing stink bombs. They're not endangering anyone's life. Labeling them as "terrorists" is completely ignorant. They're not trying to cause terror neither are they inflicting any direct damage. They're main and most powerful weapons are the cameras and they're main goal is to move the public opinion. Did you miss the part where they rammed into one of the whaling ships? That's a very interesting definition of "direct damage" you have. | ||
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wadadde
270 Posts
On July 07 2010 15:27 kzn wrote: Its stupid as fuck. I don't have any issue with arguments along the lines of "whaling at X level is unsustainable", but when Greenpeace starts saying "whaling is unsustainable at any level" you know you're dealing with fanatic douchebags. It is quite simple. There exists a population, lets call it X, at which whales can grow their population by Y each year. This is a sustainable population. The fact that such a population exists is a necessary mathematical truth. If you have problems with sustainability, fine - push for laws that put a quota on whaling takes every year, or whatever makes sure that whale populations don't fall below X. But there is nothing special about whales that makes them any different from deer or bison or any other fish, for that matter. If people want to eat whale, and they're willing to pay what it costs to get whale at a given level of scarcity, there is no reason they should not be allowed to do so. Every time the fat fuck starts saying shit like "we want to put the fear into them that they put into whales" I rage. Whales aren't fish. Moreover, the argument that there's nothing special about them is ludicrous. They're highly intelligent mammals, comparable in many ways, including emotionally, to humans. Whales, like other animals with which we have much in common, should arguably be treated in a manner distinct from the way we treat biological drones like bees plankton, (most) fish... There's also the fact that whales perform a vital function in their ecosystem. I'm no expert on marine ecosystems so I won't pretend to know to what degree it is defensible to interfere from that point of view. Point being that there is more than one factor to be considered. This is something you'd better pound into that head of yours before making blanket statements. The practice of creating huge profits from (manufactured) scarcity is objectionable. It would be a lot more sensible to not incentivize illegal whaling by killing the market for it. Making the sale of all whale products illegal may not immediately kill the culture that drives the consumption, but it does have the potential to kickstart a process that could lead to a cultural change. When luxury becomes harmful it's time to start questioning the legality of it. The free market can go cry itself to sleep, for all I care. We've got some level of democracy for a reason. Unfortunately the majority of the Japanese public isn't too interested in this sort of stuff yet.. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On August 13 2010 23:01 city42 wrote: Errr.... their boat who "rammed" them was stopped :S Just... floating still.. and they rammed the other ship? There's video evidence everywhere. Among the world's media there's reports blaming one side, reports blaming another and reports blaming both.Did you miss the part where they rammed into one of the whaling ships? That's a very interesting definition of "direct damage" you have. You're just blindly quoting the whaler's version of the story. While I didn't watch those episodes I did read about it and saw the collision videos on youtube. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On August 13 2010 23:13 VIB wrote: Errr.... their boat who "rammed" them was stopped :S Just... floating still.. and they rammed the other ship? There's video evidence everywhere. Among the world's media there's reports blaming one side, reports blaming another and reports blaming both. You're just blindly quoting the whaler's version of the story. While I didn't watch those episodes I did read about it and saw the collision videos on youtube. A quick google search came up with this: It kinda looks to be in motion, but then again I'm just blindly quoting the whaler's version of the story. | ||
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