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LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 04:28:28
May 28 2010 04:18 GMT
#181
As much as I'm all for environmental protection, these assholes are putting human lives in danger to save a bunch of animals with their antics. They should feel so lucky that they aren't fired upon with real guns for some of the crap they pull. If you want to stop something, do it through legal avenues. Just because you may not be satisfied with those legal methods doesn't give you the right to take the law into your own hands. If everyone did that, our society would descend into a state of anarchy...

Personally I hope every single one of these assholes are either caught and imprisoned or shot... The fact that they are given their own TV show is ridiculous to me.

Oh, and LOL at the whole "prisoner of war" thing they're trying to play up. The idiot illegally boarded a foreign vessel from a jet ski under the cover of darkness in international waters. What did he think would happen? These people knew exactly what they were doing from the start.
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
May 28 2010 04:37 GMT
#182
On May 28 2010 13:18 JinMaikeul wrote:
As much as I'm all for environmental protection, these assholes are putting human lives in danger to save a bunch of animals with their antics. They should feel so lucky that they aren't fired upon with real guns for some of the crap they pull. If you want to stop something, do it through legal avenues. Just because you may not be satisfied with those legal methods doesn't give you the right to take the law into your own hands. If everyone did that, our society would descend into a state of anarchy...

Personally I hope every single one of these assholes are either caught and imprisoned or shot... The fact that they are given their own TV show is ridiculous to me.


your post is so ridiculous
first of all you say they are putting human lives in danger to save animals? you believe humans are somehow more important than any other animal? then you say they should be imprisoned or shot, when japanese whalers are illegally hunting whales in international waters? at least they are doing something, while the australian government is too pathetic to even take legal action against japan after saying countless times they are going to.
drakes1988
Profile Joined May 2010
United States21 Posts
May 28 2010 04:37 GMT
#183
animal rights activists are scum of the earth. i hope they get tried for piracy and terrorism. the law of the high seas are hella different than laws on land. fishing industry is one of the biggest industries in japan.whales, fish, lobster, cows, pigs, are all the same. they are food and jobs for tens/hundreds of millions of people. im an american and japan has my support 100%. i hope these idiots are arrested and tried in japan and made an example of. its be nice to see them mess up and die or be shot by the japanese whalers, but u cant "make an example" out of the dead.
Death solves all problems. No man, no problem.
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 04:54:31
May 28 2010 04:52 GMT
#184
...The Japanese Whalers are hunting the whales Illegally most often or not. If anything, human population explosion has been the scourge we all ignore (seeing as we are human). I have read the captain's book on seal wars, and while I do not agree with all his methods, the usual methods do NOT WORK. He has tried that and failed several times; only extreme action has ever stirred humans to do something. Whales are also highly intelligent sentient creatures. Something has got to give. The environment has recently been warning us too that what humans are doing a wrong (so many earthquakes, floods, droughts, highly likely brought on by subtle human activities.)
I post only when my brain works.
sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
May 28 2010 04:54 GMT
#185
On May 28 2010 13:37 eSen1a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 13:18 JinMaikeul wrote:
As much as I'm all for environmental protection, these assholes are putting human lives in danger to save a bunch of animals with their antics. They should feel so lucky that they aren't fired upon with real guns for some of the crap they pull. If you want to stop something, do it through legal avenues. Just because you may not be satisfied with those legal methods doesn't give you the right to take the law into your own hands. If everyone did that, our society would descend into a state of anarchy...

Personally I hope every single one of these assholes are either caught and imprisoned or shot... The fact that they are given their own TV show is ridiculous to me.


your post is so ridiculous
first of all you say they are putting human lives in danger to save animals? you believe humans are somehow more important than any other animal? then you say they should be imprisoned or shot, when japanese whalers are illegally hunting whales in international waters? at least they are doing something, while the australian government is too pathetic to even take legal action against japan after saying countless times they are going to.


That argument is quite the slippery slope. If humans are equal to any other animal, where do you stop? Are humans equal to dogs? rats? insects? trees? Is hunting ethical? Are they only equal to other mammals? In that case, why should genetic code determine the morals that you act with?

The whalers may be acting illegally, but vigilante justice is never the answer. They need to be brought down through legal avenues.
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 05:14:10
May 28 2010 04:58 GMT
#186
Legal avenues are often or not filled with red tape. The lesson I have gleaned is that whether it is about the whales, or simply education, when you do it legal, the opposing force will just use a loophole in the law. They play the game too easily. When they banned hunting seals, the seal hunters/politicians created a loophole in the law, citing that they couldn't hunt seals with their adult fur. The baby seals were mercilessly clubbed to death still. Politicians turn a blind eye to anything as long it gets them votes (or advocate something unworthy to get votes as vice/versa.)

As for education, I have read building schools out of stone by Greg Morteson, the bureaucratic offices bungle up giving building permits of schools so much in Kabul (in Afghanistan), that it can take months for a document to be stamped and signed. (excuses of office closed, person with key for cabinet containing file left). Out of impatience, they just built the schools while the red tape was going on. Also, a little screaming on the last day of the deadline for the permit helped tons. Voila, education for the children.

I post only when my brain works.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
May 28 2010 05:00 GMT
#187
On May 28 2010 13:37 eSen1a wrote:
you believe humans are somehow more important than any other animal?

Yes. Yes I do. And it creeps me out when someone else doesn't.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
May 28 2010 05:02 GMT
#188
On May 28 2010 14:00 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 13:37 eSen1a wrote:
you believe humans are somehow more important than any other animal?

Yes. Yes I do. And it creeps me out when someone else doesn't.


So your a fan of peta then?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 05:04:29
May 28 2010 05:04 GMT
#189
I hate PETA with a passion. These people almost make them second place, though.

People acting like idiots and assholes over animal rights only makes people less likely to feel sympathetic to the cause. They're only making things more difficult for themselves.
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Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
May 28 2010 05:04 GMT
#190
Emotions can sure run high for a topic like this huh. I'll say it bluntly. Every living thing is equally important for balance, you can't have too much, you can't have too little. Right now we can't even manage ourselves right (world hunger, warring countries etc.), so I'll embrace it as my duty to stay clean for the sorta round blob we live on.
I post only when my brain works.
TerribleFPLTeam
Profile Joined April 2010
2 Posts
May 28 2010 05:24 GMT
#191
On May 28 2010 13:52 Reaper9 wrote:The environment has recently been warning us too that what humans are doing a wrong (so many earthquakes, floods, droughts, highly likely brought on by subtle human activities.)


This, and by extension you, are stupid as shit. You think earthquakes are being caused by human actions?
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 05:31:42
May 28 2010 05:29 GMT
#192
Shit cannot reply to online comments. But I'll rephrase that then. Thank you for your most enlightening post. We still are the most destructive on the environment.
I post only when my brain works.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
May 28 2010 05:31 GMT
#193
On May 28 2010 13:37 drakes1988 wrote:
animal rights activists are scum of the earth. i hope they get tried for piracy and terrorism. the law of the high seas are hella different than laws on land. fishing industry is one of the biggest industries in japan.whales, fish, lobster, cows, pigs, are all the same. they are food and jobs for tens/hundreds of millions of people. im an american and japan has my support 100%. i hope these idiots are arrested and tried in japan and made an example of. its be nice to see them mess up and die or be shot by the japanese whalers, but u cant "make an example" out of the dead.

Yeah, lets just continue fishing tuna to extinction. Good idea.
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
May 28 2010 09:37 GMT
#194
So when is this back? Anyone know? I want to see that world record speedboat get sunk, the girls cry and Cpt. Watson lie!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 28 2010 09:59 GMT
#195
On May 28 2010 09:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
In other news Peter Bethune went on trial today in Japan.

Indeed, massive news over here in NZ seeing as he's a New Zealander lol
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
May 28 2010 10:02 GMT
#196
On May 28 2010 13:37 drakes1988 wrote:
animal rights activists are scum of the earth. i hope they get tried for piracy and terrorism. the law of the high seas are hella different than laws on land. fishing industry is one of the biggest industries in japan.whales, fish, lobster, cows, pigs, are all the same. they are food and jobs for tens/hundreds of millions of people. im an american and japan has my support 100%. i hope these idiots are arrested and tried in japan and made an example of. its be nice to see them mess up and die or be shot by the japanese whalers, but u cant "make an example" out of the dead.


im with you

those whale kents are eating all of my krill
HEY MEYT
Shrewmy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia199 Posts
May 28 2010 10:14 GMT
#197
They're douchebags, but so are the whalers.

It's like a douchebag circle of life.

Funnily enough the japanese media turned the table on us and criticised us for culling Kangaroos in Canberra, when the two are completely unrelated, they're using scientific research as a cover to simply propping up an old fashioned industry.

eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
May 28 2010 10:17 GMT
#198
On May 28 2010 13:54 sith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 13:37 eSen1a wrote:
On May 28 2010 13:18 JinMaikeul wrote:
As much as I'm all for environmental protection, these assholes are putting human lives in danger to save a bunch of animals with their antics. They should feel so lucky that they aren't fired upon with real guns for some of the crap they pull. If you want to stop something, do it through legal avenues. Just because you may not be satisfied with those legal methods doesn't give you the right to take the law into your own hands. If everyone did that, our society would descend into a state of anarchy...

Personally I hope every single one of these assholes are either caught and imprisoned or shot... The fact that they are given their own TV show is ridiculous to me.


your post is so ridiculous
first of all you say they are putting human lives in danger to save animals? you believe humans are somehow more important than any other animal? then you say they should be imprisoned or shot, when japanese whalers are illegally hunting whales in international waters? at least they are doing something, while the australian government is too pathetic to even take legal action against japan after saying countless times they are going to.


That argument is quite the slippery slope. If humans are equal to any other animal, where do you stop? Are humans equal to dogs? rats? insects? trees? Is hunting ethical? Are they only equal to other mammals? In that case, why should genetic code determine the morals that you act with?

The whalers may be acting illegally, but vigilante justice is never the answer. They need to be brought down through legal avenues.


All I meant by that phrase is I disagree with "putting human lives in danger to save a bunch of animals with their antics." It doesn't mean you can't eat animals because that would be fucking stupid, we have evolved to eat animals. Hunting is ethical as long as it is quick and as painless as possible. Whaling is not. That's besides the point, what they are doing is illegal, and as well as this unsustainable.

They need to be brought down through legal avenues.
Do you know how many times Kevin Rudd (prime minister of Australia) has insisted to take legal action against Japan on whaling? It was one of his promises that got him voted into government. Yet he has still done nothing... but can you really expect legal action against our greatest export market?
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
May 28 2010 10:26 GMT
#199
Just watch the south park episode with this , that totally sums the show up
BW for life !
Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
May 28 2010 10:44 GMT
#200
On May 28 2010 14:24 TerribleFPLTeam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 13:52 Reaper9 wrote:The environment has recently been warning us too that what humans are doing a wrong (so many earthquakes, floods, droughts, highly likely brought on by subtle human activities.)


This, and by extension you, are stupid as shit. You think earthquakes are being caused by human actions?


They're caused by boobs:

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne News/World/Story/A1Story20100428-213019.html

But yea i really dont know what they're thinking, what's ramming their ship going to achieve, not only are the Japanese ships bigger, they also have more ships AND an army.
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