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On June 22 2009 14:39 Clasic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2009 14:18 ShaperofDreams wrote:On June 22 2009 14:12 Clasic wrote:On June 22 2009 13:10 Trezeguet23 wrote:On June 22 2009 12:23 2b-Rigtheous wrote:
lol. You guys actually believe this trash? Short-term memory is amazing. Do you remember what happened with Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction"? How do you know it isn't any different this time? Because the Government said so? North Korea may well be a threat, but I highly doubt it. I also have no reason to trust the Government. So you are saying that the USA is just trying to start a war with a country that has been proven to actually have WMDs by saying that they have WMDs but that in actuality they don't and it is really a lie to go to war with them? Yeah, Bush/Chaney lied about the WMDs so that we could go to war, but Iraq actually has something we need OIL! There is no upside to fighting north korea. Edit: The post above me explains this much more clearly You are the douche. Clasic you don't understand what he is saying. He isn't saying that it was right that the U.S went to war for oil, he is saying they did, and that there is no similar motive to lie about a WMD in North Korea. Read more carefully before you start insulting people please. .. Oh. I did read it carefully. I just didn't understand his semi-sarcasticness. naw mean? Edit : Brb gona cut my wrist.
*offers olive branch*
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On June 22 2009 14:18 cgrinker wrote:
Remember, when the missiles start flying from North Korea the safest place to be is where they are aiming at.
oh my that was hilarious
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On June 22 2009 14:10 p4NDemik wrote:
Personally I'm getting really tired of the North Korea threads every 3 weeks. Yeah Kim Jong Il is nuts, yeah it sucks they've got nuclear capabilities, but every time they open their giant yapper I really don't want to hear it anymore.
The fact that they have nukes means we have to watch them closely, but this international punk talk is pretty much par for the course for them and barely newsworthy at this point.
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On June 22 2009 14:10 p4NDemik wrote:
Personally I'm getting really tired of the North Korea threads every 3 weeks. Yeah Kim Jong Il is nuts, yeah it sucks they've got nuclear capabilities, but every time they open their giant yapper I really don't want to hear it anymore.
The fact that they have nukes means we have to watch them closely, but this international punk talk is pretty much par for the course for them and barely newsworthy at this point.
I would suggest you not open the thread and read it then. Surprisingly, that option is very much open.
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Its cool. Next to the USA, NK is the second most media frenzied nation. Let them talk so we can deal with our shady shit while the media looks the other way.
>_>
I'm kidding of course. The only answer to this whole dilemma is if China just slapped them and said no more. The USA really can't do anything. China doesn't want our army there and Seoul would become rubble if we tried any invasion on N.Korea.
All we can do realistically is write really mean letters.
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We have way too many threads about North Korea popping out in these forums, im sure everyone notices it too.
To put it simply, NK is just the biggest fucking drama-queen in the international community; regularly making provocative statements and everyone knows they aren't going to do half the shit they say they're going to do, and as many people have said already, there's so much skepticism about NKs actual technological capabilities to do the damage they threatened us with.
Things are so much different between NK vs the world compared to a decade or two ago. There's way too many economic ties between the US and countries such as China and Russia for either to back NK if war was to actually go down. If NK doesn't realize that, they're just INCREDIBLY stupid^999
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On June 22 2009 15:23 BlueRoyaL wrote:
We have way too many threads about North Korea popping out in these forums, im sure everyone notices it too.
To put it simply, NK is just the biggest fucking drama-queen in the international community; regularly making provocative statements and everyone knows they aren't going to do half the shit they say they're going to do, and as many people have said already, there's so much skepticism about NKs actual technological capabilities to do the damage they threatened us with.
Things are so much different between NK vs the world compared to a decade or two ago. There's way too many economic ties between the US and countries such as China and Russia for either to back NK if war was to actually go down. If NK doesn't realize that, they're just INCREDIBLY stupid^999
Ya, NK is like the Kim Kardashian of country's.
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On June 22 2009 13:30 BalliSLife wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2009 12:23 2b-Rigtheous wrote:
lol. You guys actually believe this trash? Short-term memory is amazing. Do you remember what happened with Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction"? How do you know it isn't any different this time? Because the Government said so? North Korea may well be a threat, but I highly doubt it. I also have no reason to trust the Government. That was bush era, we have obama now remember
because obama is all about the economy, the entirely war driven econonmy, oshi-
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United States5262 Posts
They say Kim Jong Il is way better and smarter than his father Kim Il Sung. KJI is wreaking more havoc in the international community with FAR less resources.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
My mum is really worried about me getting blown up during whatever ensues/doesn't ensue. Actually tbh I am more interested in the idea of becoming a conflict photographer (although the prospect of anyone else/myself getting hurt does not appeal at all obviously.) If anything happened you can guarantee I would be probably the only British person *not* running for her embassy. (Our Korean embassy sucks anyway.)
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On June 22 2009 12:36 eMbrace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2009 12:23 2b-Rigtheous wrote:
lol. You guys actually believe this trash? Short-term memory is amazing. Do you remember what happened with Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction"? How do you know it isn't any different this time? Because the Government said so? North Korea may well be a threat, but I highly doubt it. I also have no reason to trust the Government. I am absolutely speechless... Do you have any idea what you are saying?
The same thing the US said about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction?
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On June 22 2009 13:10 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2009 12:23 2b-Rigtheous wrote:
lol. You guys actually believe this trash? Short-term memory is amazing. Do you remember what happened with Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction"? How do you know it isn't any different this time? Because the Government said so? North Korea may well be a threat, but I highly doubt it. I also have no reason to trust the Government. So you are saying that the USA is just trying to start a war with a country that has been proven to actually have WMDs by saying that they have WMDs but that in actuality they don't and it is really a lie to go to war with them? Yeah, Bush/Chaney lied about the WMDs so that we could go to war, but Iraq actually has something we need OIL! There is no upside to fighting north korea. Edit: The post above me explains this much more clearly
Oh yeah because America never had a problem with communism...
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On June 22 2009 21:46 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2009 13:10 Trezeguet23 wrote:On June 22 2009 12:23 2b-Rigtheous wrote:
lol. You guys actually believe this trash? Short-term memory is amazing. Do you remember what happened with Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction"? How do you know it isn't any different this time? Because the Government said so? North Korea may well be a threat, but I highly doubt it. I also have no reason to trust the Government. So you are saying that the USA is just trying to start a war with a country that has been proven to actually have WMDs by saying that they have WMDs but that in actuality they don't and it is really a lie to go to war with them? Yeah, Bush/Chaney lied about the WMDs so that we could go to war, but Iraq actually has something we need OIL! There is no upside to fighting north korea. Edit: The post above me explains this much more clearly Oh yeah because America never had a problem with communism...
Waiting yerr to invade Skandinavia. 2020´s perhaps ?
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where is park jun suk when we need him
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It's really hard to tell how much offensive potential NK possesses. And if it does have enough, it's equally hard to tell if Kim Jong Il is willing to use it. Of course rationally he wouldn't, because NK has no chance of winning such a war. Some say he's crazy and wants to go down with a bang, but that could just be propaganda and noone can know for sure. One has to rely on the information which secret services and military release, which is not a comfortable position to be in.
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North Korea, like many third-world contries is a state built on collective indoctrination in memories of foreign oppression, heroic resistance, national liberation, independence and self-determination. There exists in the domestic imagination a manichean dualism of good and evil, resistance and oppression, democracy and imperialism, with North Korea representing the former and Japan and America representing the latter.
Whether the North Korean leadership believes its own historiographical interpretation is a mystery, but there is no doubt that the majority of the North Korean public believes it. Their entire history has taught them that oppressors cannot be negotiated with, for their ultimate aims are the subjugation of their country. The only appropriate response to bullying is resistance. The leadership, by the very virtue of the domestic propaganda they have initiated, is obliged to play the role of the heroic state, standing up to a sinister, malevolent foe.
Aggressive posturing is therefore unlikely to be for the sole benefit of the international community; it characterizes the entire identity-heritage of the country. This posture may seem erratic and even mad in face of international realities, but it may also very well conform to the internal, domestic logic of the North Korean state. The more aggressive international pressures become, the more the North Korean leadership will be compelled to show to their own country that they will not be cowed into submission. So long as there is little actual danger to the regime, exaggerating the potential dangers of external aggression for domestic consumption may fortify North Korean identity, unity and political stability at a relatively small expense.
I hasten to add that North Korea is not the only state in the world to suffer from some of the aforementioned shortcomings.
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Oh and in one those articles that someone linked to, some arms-watch rights group said that NK had mustard gas, sarin and other biological weapons too...kinda scary
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I think the United States should have just went on N. Korea a long time ago. Does anyone remember WW2? When Germany did whatever it felt liked? Yeah, it feels like that, but with nukes. Before someone takes me out of context and tries to do a history lesson with me. All I'm saying is when countries are acting up you should stop them in their tracks, and make them examples.
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