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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 14 2009 00:18 GMT
#61
http://twitter.com/mousavi1388

Mousavi's Twitter page, confirming that he is under house arrest.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
June 14 2009 01:13 GMT
#62
Interesting situation there. It's hard to say if there was a fraud or not yet, the waters need to cool down before proofs can be found.

Xeris or someone who's iranian/is in iran/has relatives there maybe can keep us updated with fresh info please?
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 14 2009 01:34 GMT
#63
There are reports of police/revolutionary guards attacking students at Tehran university. Can't find anything else of this though.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 14 2009 04:48 GMT
#64
iranian erections, how are they different?
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
June 14 2009 05:09 GMT
#65
On June 14 2009 03:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 03:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Wow, i read this as "Iranian erections" for some reason

because you are gay.

Wow, this coming from you- i just don't think i can bear myself any longer.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
June 14 2009 05:19 GMT
#66
On June 14 2009 14:09 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 03:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On June 14 2009 03:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Wow, i read this as "Iranian erections" for some reason

because you are gay.

Wow, this coming from you- i just don't think i can bear myself any longer.

Post of the day!
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
June 14 2009 05:20 GMT
#67
sigh. i feel sry for those protesters. they fail to realize that it doesn't matter which party is elected. it's all the same bullshit. the mullahs need to be overthrown if they want real change to happen.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 14 2009 05:35 GMT
#68
Now the U.S. will have to reform iran the old fashioned way.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 14 2009 05:40 GMT
#69

  • It is claimed that Ahmadinejad won the city of Tabriz with 57%. His main opponent, Mir Hossein Mousavi, is an Azeri from Azerbaijan province, of which Tabriz is the capital. Mousavi, according to such polls as exist in Iran and widespread anecdotal evidence, did better in cities and is popular in Azerbaijan. Certainly, his rallies there were very well attended. So for an Azeri urban center to go so heavily for Ahmadinejad just makes no sense. In past elections, Azeris voted disproportionately for even minor presidential candidates who hailed from that province.

  • Ahmadinejad is claimed to have taken Tehran by over 50%. Again, he is not popular in the cities, even, as he claims, in the poor neighborhoods, in part because his policies have produced high inflation and high unemployment. That he should have won Tehran is so unlikely as to raise real questions about these numbers.

  • It is claimed that cleric Mehdi Karoubi, the other reformist candidate, received 320,000 votes, and that he did poorly in Iran's western provinces, even losing in Luristan. He is a Lur and is popular in the west, including in Kurdistan. Karoubi received 17 percent of the vote in the first round of presidential elections in 2005. While it is possible that his support has substantially declined since then, it is hard to believe that he would get less than one percent of the vote. Moreover, he should have at least done well in the west, which he did not.

  • Mohsen Rezaie, who polled very badly and seems not to have been at all popular, is alleged to have received 670,000 votes, twice as much as Karoubi.

  • Ahmadinejad's numbers were fairly standard across Iran's provinces. In past elections there have been substantial ethnic and provincial variations.

  • The Electoral Commission is supposed to wait three days before certifying the results of the election [not declare them almost immediately]




In addition, you have a demographic time bomb in Iran's case, with a lopsidedly urban and young population which is only becoming more so, with clear ethnic divisions (18-20% Azeris, 7-10% Kurdish, 2% Baloch, 1 million Turkomen, 2% tribal groups, 2% Armenians, Georgian, Assyrians) This holds the Persian population somewhere between 60% to just under fifty at 49%. Where did Mahmoud obtain 65% of the vote, and why couldn't he have done it without day becoming night and up becoming down?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 14 2009 05:49 GMT
#70
On June 14 2009 07:23 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
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U.S. analysts find it "not credible" that challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi would have lost the balloting in his hometown or that a third candidate, Mehdi Karoubi, would have received less than 1 percent of the total vote, a senior U.S. officials told FOX News.


This is where I stop reading any post you make in this thread from now on.


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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
June 14 2009 05:58 GMT
#71
Ok new rule:

Anyone who wants to post in this thread must read Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi first.

Or watch the movie.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 14 2009 06:00 GMT
#72
Seriously? I can understand being anti-Fox but the overwhelming evidence points to election-rigging.

It's altogether too suspicious. Don't even need Occam's Razor for this one.
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sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
June 14 2009 06:11 GMT
#73
On June 14 2009 15:00 Last Romantic wrote:
Seriously? I can understand being anti-Fox but the overwhelming evidence points to election-rigging.

It's altogether too suspicious. Don't even need Occam's Razor for this one.


No kidding. I'm calling bullshit on the boycott of this thread based on that quote. It isn't even something fox news said, it's something THEY got from the government. And they really aren't THAT bad, despite how the internet hates them. Sure some shit they say is ridiculous at times, but usually it's isolated incidents and I think. people can't deal with the fact that a conservative network is out there while the rest of the entire media is liberal. /tangent

I'm going to have to agree with the rigging as well. I was watching the news when I heard that Mousavi had lost in his home territory and I nearly spit out what I was drinking. I mean they could at least put some effort into the faking. It's so bad, it's almost evidence for it being NOT rigged because it's hard to believe anyone could be so stupid.
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
June 14 2009 06:43 GMT
#74
On June 14 2009 15:11 sith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 15:00 Last Romantic wrote:
Seriously? I can understand being anti-Fox but the overwhelming evidence points to election-rigging.

It's altogether too suspicious. Don't even need Occam's Razor for this one.


No kidding. I'm calling bullshit on the boycott of this thread based on that quote. It isn't even something fox news said, it's something THEY got from the government. And they really aren't THAT bad, despite how the internet hates them. Sure some shit they say is ridiculous at times, but usually it's isolated incidents and I think. people can't deal with the fact that a conservative network is out there while the rest of the entire media is liberal. /tangent

I'm going to have to agree with the rigging as well. I was watching the news when I heard that Mousavi had lost in his home territory and I nearly spit out what I was drinking. I mean they could at least put some effort into the faking. It's so bad, it's almost evidence for it being NOT rigged because it's hard to believe anyone could be so stupid.


Just for the record Fox is about as Conservative as the Soviet Union was Capitalist. I don't like any news network, I use a combination of NPR, PBS, BBC, and AP for anything world wide and national and local Fox - but against your argument, the 'liberal' networks, aka BBC and CNN have been reporting the election fraud for quite some time today so I don't think your tangent is justified yet neither is the boycott against fox. Hard line stances are useless and diminish from the problem at hand.
Either way in a situation like this, where reporters lives are threatened and news is slow, like it was in Burma, I tend to rely on blogs for this type of thing.

http://www.iran101.blogspot.com/

Even the BBC is posting Iranians really pissed off. Most of the people are are okay with the election results are Westerner's who just like to think they're finally able to tell other people, "well I told you Iran wasn't bad, look they had a fair election"
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-14 06:45:16
June 14 2009 06:44 GMT
#75
On June 14 2009 15:00 Last Romantic wrote:
Seriously? I can understand being anti-Fox but the overwhelming evidence points to election-rigging.

It's altogether too suspicious. Don't even need Occam's Razor for this one.

It seems suspicious at this point but we need to consider a few things before jumping to any conclusions. First, there is a lot of support for the incumbent in the country. I get the impression he had a popular last term. Second, the amount of time passed is little and the types of sources that we are getting are limited. When more information from within Iran becomes known it will be easier to see both sides of the issue. Much of the western media is screaming fraud at this point and you should not let yourself be caught up in that.

EDIT:
On June 14 2009 15:43 Railz wrote:
Just for the record Fox is about as Conservative as the Soviet Union was Capitalist.

rofl, wtf
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 14 2009 07:02 GMT
#76
But has the incumbent always arrested opposition party officials, supporters and so forth?


Also early updates:

  • The Green protesters have taken over at least two police stations in north of Tehran, the Guards are trying to take back the buildings.

  • University dormitories across Iran have been attacked by the Revolutionary Guards.

  • The building of the ministry of Industry, and a major telecommunication center, have been set on fire.

  • Sharif University's professors have resigned on mass.

  • Unrest in Rasht, Tabriz, Isfahan, Shiraz and every other major city.


ALSO, take this with a grain of salt:

Meanwhile inside Government Officials are leaking the REAL election numbers.


Unofficial news - reports leaked results from Interior Ministry:
Eligible voters: 49,322,412
Votes cast: 42,026,078
Spoilt votes: 38,716
Mir Hossein Mousavi: 19,075,623
Mehdi Karoubi: 13,387,104
Mahmoud Ahmadi-nejad (incumbent): 5,698,417
Mohsen Rezaei (conservative candidate): 3,754,218


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"The Green Supporters are beginning to block all major highways into Tehran."
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-14 07:06:00
June 14 2009 07:05 GMT
#77
Also via mass twitter supporters are being told not to go to a certain protest at 12:30pm that it is a Police Trap.

There are rumors of a protest at Vali-Asr today at 12:30pm.

This is a trap. please pass this on to everyone you know. The official word from Mousavi HQ is hold back and wait for word.

DO NOT ATTEND THE VALI-ASR PROTEST.

PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
June 14 2009 07:08 GMT
#78
On June 14 2009 15:44 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 15:00 Last Romantic wrote:
Seriously? I can understand being anti-Fox but the overwhelming evidence points to election-rigging.

It's altogether too suspicious. Don't even need Occam's Razor for this one.

It seems suspicious at this point but we need to consider a few things before jumping to any conclusions. First, there is a lot of support for the incumbent in the country. I get the impression he had a popular last term. Second, the amount of time passed is little and the types of sources that we are getting are limited. When more information from within Iran becomes known it will be easier to see both sides of the issue. Much of the western media is screaming fraud at this point and you should not let yourself be caught up in that.

EDIT:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 15:43 Railz wrote:
Just for the record Fox is about as Conservative as the Soviet Union was Capitalist.

rofl, wtf


The 24 hours Fox News Channel is not a Conservative news channel. The only one I can think of that actually is Conservative is Shepard Smith.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
June 14 2009 07:11 GMT
#79
On June 14 2009 16:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also via mass twitter supporters are being told not to go to a certain protest at 12:30pm that it is a Police Trap.

Show nested quote +
There are rumors of a protest at Vali-Asr today at 12:30pm.

This is a trap. please pass this on to everyone you know. The official word from Mousavi HQ is hold back and wait for word.

DO NOT ATTEND THE VALI-ASR PROTEST.

PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD


I hate to be the one to point this out but that sounds a lot like Tienanmen. The students knew exactly what was coming and egged on the police. I remember watching Front line and the leader of the Students actually wanted to call it off, but others spooked the police and they fired on them.

How're they supposed to protest; the police will always be around the corner, how will any other time make a difference.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 14 2009 07:14 GMT
#80
Oh damn judging by that Ahmedinejad got owned.

But yeah, grain of salt.

At any rate, I'll be cheering for the Greens.
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