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I'm really bothered by this:
"The blatant problem however is the way that women are depicted in this game, and perhaps the bigger problem is the comments on women that Blizzard may or may not have even realized that they put in (you may argue that if Blizzard didn't know, it's not a problem… if you want to argue this, first read some Michel Foucault… then e-mail me. (A game is a work, just like a book, once out of the author's hand, it is no longer theirs.)."
NEW FLASH:
People who live in society create stuff that expresses what a dominant group in society thinks.
What I understand from that article is that, women are overly sexualized, whatever the fuck that means, in starcraft. And somehow because women are sexualized, they become "more like" objects of sex. I guess as opposed to less like objects of sex, since it's clearly a scale with I don't know what on one end and sexual objects on the other. So I guess, the masculine artist whos theme is "war", should not express any hint of masculinity nor patriarchal discourse since you know, that would be UNFAIR, ROFLMAO.
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why did you make the ID Foucault if you're gonna argue for gender equality, have you read anything besides snippets of History of Sexuality?
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On May 18 2009 03:01 NeO)MasCoT wrote:
I'm going to guess the past 10 pages have been Internet White Knights trying to defend women in hopes one fucks them. Someone confirm this.
The rest of the posts are normal people going, "Lawl. Troll troll is troll," or, "lolwat? Has to be a joke."
How can people like this even exist? O_o;;
IDK if I was a dumb braud I'd want to fuck an Internet White Knight. Like Sir Gallahad.
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On May 18 2009 05:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:
why did you make the ID Foucault if you're gonna argue for gender equality, have you read anything besides snippets of History of Sexuality?
Because I like Foucault and I wrote an research essay on his book "Madness and civilization".
I can call myself whatever I like and argue for gender equality. Why do you call yourself "zulu_nation8", do you identify yourself with Africa Bambaata?
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fair enough, why do you argue for gender equality?
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Could one not just say for argument in contradiction, the Zerg are much more aggressive and likely to attack first, so are they not Male? And that stuff about orgasms made me laugh... yes, apparently only females can have one of those. God damn feminists.
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When I glanced over the title of this thread I thought it said, "Starcraft = Sexiest"; which is really what it should say imo.
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Sorry women the game was already hard enough to balance out 3 races. Can't expect blizzard to have a good male/female balance too.
Also nydus canals are vaginas? No wonder watching bisu vs jaedong turns me on
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Completely unrelated: I just had to write a 12 page paper on feminist aesthetics (Mulvey, Creed, etc)
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the author has a dirty mind
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"Gamers" tend to be a lot more sexist than most of the population. Notice the super aggressive backlash to this article from so many people on this site. If you're not being sexist, why does something like this upset you so much and get you so enraged? I don't really agree with the article, but it doesn't make me angry or hate feminism.
If anything SC is sexist because Kerrigan has high heels built into her legs (since SC2) and is portrayed as a "backstabbing bitch" etc. etc.
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this is hilarious. Seriously how can these people actually believe this?
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On May 18 2009 13:30 systranerror wrote:
"Gamers" tend to be a lot more sexist than most of the population. Notice the super aggressive backlash to this article from so many people on this site. If you're not being sexist, why does something like this upset you so much and get you so enraged? I don't really agree with the article, but it doesn't make me angry or hate feminism.
Agreed.
And irl gamers are too shy around women.
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On May 18 2009 06:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
fair enough, why do you argue for gender equality?
Because I feel that women should have the same rights as men. I thought most people did
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On May 17 2009 11:42 Lemonwalrus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2009 11:36 ktp wrote:On May 17 2009 09:43 CharlieMurphy wrote:On May 17 2009 09:24 vicviper wrote:On May 17 2009 05:07 lololol wrote:On May 17 2009 04:53 Rekrul wrote:
uh no, but starcraft IS racist
take a look at the scvs The SCV isn't black. that is a black dude: broad nose, dark hair, dark skin. Slave controlled vehicle. Confederate earth. " I'm locked in here tighter than a frog's butt in a watermelon seed fight.''. etc What the hell does that saying even mean? Wtf is a watermelon fight? Do people actually throw watermelon seeds at eachother? And why is a frog getting in between the fight? Is the scv implying the watermelon seed will go into the frogs anus if the fight is not correctly supervised? I don't think you are supposed to get the reference.
In the south they have watermelon seed spitting contest. Check guinness book you will be astounded at the distances and shit. and Yes I knew its space not slave SCV, its just something I thought of as soon as I saw the game 11 years ago.
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On May 18 2009 13:30 systranerror wrote:
"Gamers" tend to be a lot more sexist than most of the population. Notice the super aggressive backlash to this article from so many people on this site. If you're not being sexist, why does something like this upset you so much and get you so enraged?
If you're not a criminal, why do you get upset when people accuse of you of being one? So I guess you are a criminal/sexist after all. Idiotic. People get tired of the constant outrage-mongering and whining about absolutely nothing. Turning tiny issues into occasions for moral chastisment is simply a club with which to bludgeon people (especially men).
On May 18 2009 13:30 systranerror wrote:
I don't really agree with the article, but it doesn't make me angry or hate feminism.
If anything SC is sexist because Kerrigan has high heels built into her legs (since SC2) and is portrayed as a "backstabbing bitch" etc. etc.
So having a female villain with high heels is sexist? Do you get as upset when the male villain has muscular arms? :nooo
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On May 18 2009 15:12 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 06:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
fair enough, why do you argue for gender equality? Because I feel that women should have the same rights as men. I thought most people did
In America, they do. So what does gender equality have to do with this article?
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I don't really understand the logic behind the idea that gender is artificial and constructed primarily, so a few questions:
On May 17 2009 23:34 Foucault wrote:
Btw, do tell how you are able to know when you can actually use those 2 words and when you can't. When do you know that you got the job because you are a beautiful girl and when do you know that you didn't get the job because you are an immigrant. Also sexism and discrimination is to an large extent built into our society, because a man is the norm, which makes women inferior.
Why is man the norm?
On May 17 2009 23:34 Foucault wrote:
You say that some women just plain hate men. Why? Why do they hate men? Are some women just born like that? Are they retarded? Why would they hate men, just because?
Didn't you say quite a few men irrationally hate women? So then you think men are retarded and hate women just because? That they're born like that?
On May 17 2009 23:34 Foucault wrote:
How "nature" works...What is nature? I think "men" and "women" are largely socially constructed roles of behavior. This socialization continues through generations.
So all cultures across the world decided to construct male and female roles in similar positions of relative dominance?
Why are humans exempt from evolutionary forces where are other creatures are not? Most mammals are sexually dimorphic with males dominant, a phenomenon which is relatively well understood as being due to the high burden of parental investment the mammalian reproduction model (K-selected, high obligatory investment of energy and time from the female in most cases). What do you think of that biological pattern? Why are humans randomly exempt from it despite displaying all the dynamics of a similar pattern?
On May 17 2009 23:34 Foucault wrote:
Well I think there is a biological factor too but I think it's not that big and that our gender roles are more important. Sure, women are physically weaker than men in general, but are they less decisive? For one, they are taught to be less decisive and being in closer touch with their emotions.
Why are women "taught" to be less decisive and closer to their emotions in all or nearly all cultures across the world? What accounts for this species-wide cross cultural pattern?
On May 17 2009 23:34 Foucault wrote:
Why are you assuming that women just throw around words like sexism and discrimination? Seems like you think that they aren't capable of actually understanding these words.
On May 17 2009 23:48 Foucault wrote:
Are you trying to group up feminists and sociologists as the weird people who are against "science" or something? I get that impression anyways.
You really like your loaded language, don't you?
Evolutionary psychology has some huge weaknesses. Mainly that they are too focused on biology and hardly considers environmental factors. For some reason they don't take environment into account, and that's a serious scientifical flaw; they see what they want to see.
Evolutionary pscyhology is like science from the early 2000:th century, where everything that can't be measured is not interesting. You can measure genes and atoms, but you hardly can't measure how a society works and what effect it has on people.
Let me throw around the not-very-subtle implications back at you:
Have you ever actually read a single paper on evolutionary psychology.... in your life? Or did you just say what you just said because you're uncomfortable with your dogma being challenged?
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