Epidemy with Mexico - Page 16

On April 28 2009 15:34 Physician wrote:
- almost zero mortality outside of MEXICO so far, new MEXICAN cases less severe; good : )

On April 29 2009 03:42 Railz wrote:

Hum. No. They had to close a school here in NY a county over because 50 kids got infected, and I don't know if you ever had the flu, it can be fatal, 95% of the time it won't be, but it'll hurt the economy if a couple thousand workers in a town have to stay at home for work.

And generally people who stock up on food, get bottled water so your cynicism is oddly placed.

Also if people AREN'T informed about an outbreak you get something like AIDS that devastates a whole continent or something like in 1918. It is better to overreact then not at all. No one is getting hurt right now unless you're in Mexico City.

On April 28 2009 16:25 zatic wrote:
On a side note I love how regarding end of the world scenarios everyone seems to have this fantasy of stacking up huge amounts of canned food and small arms and ammunition but somehow expects drinkable water coming from the tab.

On April 29 2009 16:28 MamiyaOtaru wrote:

Strawman much? No one expects that. It's not like the knowledge of how to purify water is that esoteric.

On April 29 2009 16:48 AltaiR_ wrote:
cases in mexico have already ceased, most likely the maximum amount of deaths from this swine flu will be 50.

what will piss me off is if obama will pay millions to deploy vaccines around us and waste more money we dont have

On April 29 2009 18:06 baal wrote:



in 1978 the last swine flue epidemy, the government went crazy and handled vaccines....

the swine flu killed 1 citizen,,,, 25 died from vaccines.

please people DO NOT TAKE VACCINES FOR THE SWINE FLU

On April 29 2009 20:12 Kwark wrote:

Or you could hope that the government learned their lesson and is going to be more rational. Also that year thousands more people died from regular flu because the vaccines for that which they'd normally have recieved weren't made because of supply limitations. It's logical for healthcare workers in infected areas to be vaccinated though, simply to stop the spread of it.

The H1N1 flu will probably be most like a regular flu for most people who end up with it. Nobody around here has died from it...granted there have only been 3 cases in Ohio that I know of. When we test for flu, we test for Flu A and Flu B. Only flu A is then sent to the CDC for confirmation of swine flu. Flu B is regular flu. We test for flu by swabbing the back of the nostril with a skinny Q tip like swab. Uncomfortable, but not a big deal.

For most people, the swine flu will not be a big deal. Just stay home and take care of yourself. They are all freaked out about it because they seem to feel it is more contagious than regular flu, although this seems like dodgy thinking. All flu is contagious.

For most people in their regular everyday lives, your chance of exposure is limited. For those of us in the healthcare field, the chance of exposure is huge...especially for those of us who work in the emergency department. This is why they are suddenly forming committees to talk about mandatory vaccinations. This was already employed by some hospitals last fall. Now it looks like it may become a more widespread policy. This is a real concern for anyone employed in the healthcare field, especially for those of us who are extremely opposed to mandated vaccines.

I fall into that category and am therefore extremely concerned about this whole swine flu hoopla. It directly impacts me since I work 4-5 nights a week in 2 different emergency rooms...both of which now have confirmed cases of swine flu. Both hospitals are now engaging in conversations regarding mandatory vaccines.

Certainly, there HAVE been influenza pandemics in the past...way before the invention of the nasty vaccines. Pandemics have been a part of our history since we started organizing our societies into urban areas. I'm sure back in the hunter gatherer time frame there was no such thing. Anywhere where there are large groups of people gathered, and especially when those people are fat, lazy and sickly with no body resources to fight off even the common cold, there will be the risk of pandemics. They HAVE occured in the past and they will continue to occur in the future despite so called vaccines or our disgusting modern health care system. We don't need governments to create illnesses. We as a society are not the healthiest of animals. We eat our way into obesity and disease. We're lazy and lack the interest of intelligence to take care of ourselves. This is the perfect avenue for devastating pandemics to set in. The germs are out there...they just need a host to take hold. Most people make great hosts since they're full of processed crap food, take health destroying pharmaceuticals, do not exercise, do not consume anything even remotely health supporting and have poor elimination. Sounds like a great host for a virus to me!

Swine flu, like any flu CAN lead to death. This occurs usually through respiratory complication and also from dehydration secondary to vomiting and diarrhea which wacks out our electrolytes. Certainly, people die from flu complications every year. Many more die from all sorts of other stuff. All comes down to how you care for your body. If you take care of it, you become very resistant to illness. If you do not take care of it, and wreck your body you suddenly have a personal housing crisis.

We here at TBDE are much better informed and are actively taking control of our health. We know how to support our bodies with the best nutrition available on the planet. We know how to detoxify. We know how to stay hydrated with the best water ever. We know we need to exercise our bodies for optimal health. We know how to support our immune systems. We have all the tools we need to be at our very best! We do not make good hosts for viruses and other debilitating disease. We do not suffer from poor digestion and poor elimination. We don't take nasty pharmaceuticals. We stay away from doctors and hospitals (HA! Unless we work in them...). We are not afraid of the life giving sunshine. We are at low risk of catching swine flu. If we all just keep doing what we're already doing, we should be immune to all disease, including swine flu!

Yes, I would leave my job over the vaccine issue.

I also was in the military back in the 70's and also received a major busload of injections. I remember being sick afterwards. Easy to remember that because I am typically never sick. I've been a lifetime vegetarian and have never really been plagued by illness so becoming ill after receiving those injections made it easy to connect the dots.

I'm better informed now and I am super duper healthy. I KNOW what's in those vaccines now and absolutely WILL NOT line up with the rest of the sheeple to get jabbed with that cocktail of poison again. I will not leave as a first option, instead trying religious freedom or whatever else I think might work but WILL leave before allowing my body to be injected with those nasty vaccines. Although I have been an ER nurse for almost 27 years, I have not worked just at THAT hospital my whole career. Nurses are highly sought after in every health care setting and I can have a new job in the blink of an eye elsewhere.

It waits to be seen how this flu shakes out with the historic Spanish flu. Although Mike Adams is convinced that this is a man made flu outbreak, I am just going to wait and see. Influenza and pandemics in general have been around since way before they knew how to create diseases and vaccines.

I don't think you're at much risk for getting it and probably don't need to be too concerned over it, as you mentioned. Pretty much only those of us who work in hospitals every day need to have any real measure of concern. Our exposure level is a thousand times greater than the average person. Just add it to the list of things we are already exposed to every day...

RawUniverse-they don't need to create a new illness to damage our bodies. They've been at it for a long time. Have a look through the factory farms and on any isle in the grocery store. Have a walk down the corridor of any hospital unit or drop by and sit in any ER waiting room for a little while. You'll see what I mean. We are already a nation filled with obese, sickly, ignorant, arrogant people. We already "work" directly for their benefit. Who do you think financially supports all the doctors, pharmaceutical companies, cancer centers, heart centers, the whole diabetes racket and so forth? We eat food that isn't even food, drink contaminated water, blindly swallow huge numbers of medications just because the doctor told us to, keep our lazy backsides on the sofa in front of the TV, believe everything talked about in the media, fill our minds with useless information (like sports, hollywood junk and so forth). We are already a nation of "stupid morons that work for their benefit".

Keep yourself OUT of that gene pool! Take care of your body mind and soul. If people took care of themselves like we here at TBDE they would not succumb to that fate.

On April 29 2009 22:31 warding wrote:
That is one misanthropic nurse. wow.

At one point she says "All comes down to how you care for your body. If you take care of it, you become very resistant to illness. If you do not take care of it, and wreck your body you suddenly have a personal housing crisis."

I read that this flu attacks people with stronger immune systems as it causes an autoimmune reaction, in that case what she is saying is wrong.. no?

It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for many of the deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults.[1] In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Hong Kong also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.[4] Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well.[5] Recent reports of high mortality among healthy young adults in the 2009 swine flu outbreak point to cytokine storms as being responsible for these deaths.[6]

On April 29 2009 20:21 JohnColtrane wrote:
has this hit australia yet? :S is it likely to hit australia?

On April 29 2009 23:07 jello_biafra wrote:

I think there are suspected cases in Australia, and it's already hit New Zealand so I would say probably yes.

On April 29 2009 23:12 JohnColtrane wrote:


is that yes to its hit australia, or yes its likely to hit australia?