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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 11 2009 16:19 Kentor wrote: okay explain how it is going to become acceptable in 50 years. right thing to say would be not gay unions at schools, but gay people in society overall. Ultimately there wont be any need for gay unions since its going to be casual. How is it going to happen? Bunch of "traditional" folks will die off i guess? | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 11 2009 16:36 keV. wrote: You are the dumbest person on the internet. I'd rather you just be a ignorant bigot posing as an ignorant bigot than a ignorant bigot posing as an intellectual. You clearly cannot comprehend more than one sentence at a time. A comment debate on youtube is more your speed. I'm not going to argue with a retard anymore. im glad you finally admitted to shitting yourself. Heres a tissue, wipe it off. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On April 11 2009 16:38 food wrote: im glad you finally admitted to shitting yourself. Heres a tissue, wipe it off. Here's some helpful things in hopes that you try and better yourself: 1.) Wikipedia for general knowledge 2.) Rosette Stone: English vol 1. 3.) Wordly Wise workbook | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On April 11 2009 16:44 keV. wrote: Here's some helpful things in hopes that you try and better yourself: 1.) Wikipedia for general knowledge 2.) Rosette Stone: English vol 1. 3.) Wordly Wise workbook Here's another. ![[image loading]](http://witchdoctor.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/noose.jpg) Trying to get back on topic here. I can't imagine that a court case would go in favor of the school. With some luck, this could be one of the turning points of the gay rights movement. | ||
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Sirakor
Great Britain455 Posts
On April 11 2009 16:37 food wrote: right thing to say would be not gay unions at schools, but gay people in society overall. Ultimately there wont be any need for gay unions since its going to be casual. How is it going to happen? Bunch of "traditional" folks will die off i guess? | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
Enjoy the medley! ^_^ | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 11 2009 16:53 Sirakor wrote: shush guys, he's finally onto something, not quite there yet, but maybe he will. hah if you thought i hate gay people you were seriously wrong usually they dont bother me unless they act gay in front of me, im not ok with that argument was strictly about schools, but bunch of activists felt the urge to express how much they care for gay rights i dont care for gays as long as they not interfering with my life. Thus i dont want them advocating their lifestyle at school if my kid goes there since his choice could be influenced like any other kid at school following trendy things. i can see a scenario where it becomes absolutely casual in the future or completely gets out of fashion. Either way it has nothing to do with nowadays reality | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On April 11 2009 13:35 food wrote: imo if queers sneak around not advertising the lifestyle i can accept that to some extent. But official gay unions at school? Id never accept this shit Sounds like you're accepting as a motherfucker to me! (How the fuck is a GSA an official gay union at school btw rofl) I DON'T SUPPORT OFFICIAL CHESS NERD UNIONS AT SCHOOL! | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On April 11 2009 17:06 food wrote: hah if you thought i hate gay people you were seriously wrong usually they dont bother me unless they act gay in front of me, im not ok with that argument was strictly about schools, but bunch of activists felt the urge to express how much they care for gay rights i dont care for gays as long as they not interfering with my life. Thus i dont want them advocating their lifestyle at school if my kid goes there since his choice could be influenced like any other kid at school following trendy things. i can see a scenario where it becomes absolutely casual in the future or completely gets out of fashion. Either way it has nothing to do with nowadays reality I don't like it that they act gay in front of me either (I just think they're really weird), but my high school had a GSA and seriously, I really don't give a fuck... I don't think the majority of the people give a shit either. The people in that club aren't actively trying to influence other people or convert them or something. It's like being in the math club; no one gives a shit. Just let them do whatever they want. And about the school thing... if it's a private school, okay fine. They want to disallow a gay club? Sure whatever. The kids' homophobic parents ought to send them to some religious private school anyway. But in a public school, that's a different story, especially when some kids are getting abused for no other reason than being gay. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
1. The point of a GSA is to affirm for young people that it is ok to be who they are. The majority of homosexuals, until they are out of highschool, feel like they are bad people, freaks of nature, sinners, dirty, etc. The GSA is to say "hey, you're not the only one. You're ok, and everyone in this club are here to support you". It isn't about converting people or promoting sex. It's about promoting tolerance, and a general message that it's ok to be who you are. I don't understand why you think this shouldn't be in schools; it seems that this is the most pertinent place for such a club, as your teenage years are the hardest and scariest time of your life. how could such a positive thing bring harm? 2. You mentioned that such a club could be 'trendy', and folks who are not homosexual may try it out. I don't entirely agree with your point, but my agreement is somewhat irrelevant as i still fail to see your point. If a guy wants to experiment with kissing another guy, who the fuck cares? He'll either find out he likes it and will do it again, or he will find out that he does not. As long as the students are practicing safe sex (regardless of which gender you're practicing with), who cares? More to the point: The club is not about having sex. Sex is not permitted in schools, and this club isn't trying to change that. 3. Sexuality is one of the greatest explorations that most people do in their teenage years. It's seen in movies, video games, posters, newspapers. There's sexual education in school. There are biology classes. The idea of sex is hardly regarded as unnatural or wrong for heterosexuals; if anything it's encouraged (at least among peers). Why should this not be true for homosexuals? I don't understand the double standard. Why do you care where i put my penis? Why do you care if i want to make a club to promote tolerance regarding the way nature made me? 4. You made a distinction earlier between 'being born gay' and 'choosing to fuck men'. Could you clarify this a little for me? I've devoted a large part of my life to studying sexuality; my experience has lead me to believe that being attracted to and aroused by the same sex is what makes a person gay, not who they fuck. I wanted to suck cock long before i had an opportunity to - this is what makes me gay. I've fucked a chick while thinking of Brad Pitt, i would say that still makes me gay. Being gay is not about who you have sex with, it's about who you want to have sex with. If your perspective differs from this one, could you explore it out loud for me so that i can better understand your perspective? | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On April 11 2009 16:37 food wrote: right thing to say would be not gay unions at schools, but gay people in society overall. Ultimately there wont be any need for gay unions since its going to be casual. How is it going to happen? Bunch of "traditional" folks will die off i guess? Read Mora's point 1. This is the proper way it is going to happen. Traditional folks do not just die off... Clubs are about tolerance. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
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wo0py
Netherlands922 Posts
For the OP. The school should do somthing about it. If in de US they can only do it by going to court. Then the brother and sister should sue. I guess where i live all this is not such an problem anymore. | ||
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Sad[Panda]
United States458 Posts
this^ | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
so's your mom | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 11 2009 15:57 food wrote: im sure promoting gay lifestyle adds up to luring straight people into gay union You are kidding right? .... I am actually speechless. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 11 2009 17:24 Mora wrote: food, i do not wish for you to repeat yourself, but i have some questions that you may have already answered, but i'm hoping for some insight. 1. The point of a GSA is to affirm for young people that it is ok to be who they are. The majority of homosexuals, until they are out of highschool, feel like they are bad people, freaks of nature, sinners, dirty, etc. The GSA is to say "hey, you're not the only one. You're ok, and everyone in this club are here to support you". It isn't about converting people or promoting sex. It's about promoting tolerance, and a general message that it's ok to be who you are. I don't understand why you think this shouldn't be in schools; it seems that this is the most pertinent place for such a club, as your teenage years are the hardest and scariest time of your life. how could such a positive thing bring harm? I understand your point and I am sure that GSA has the purpose of promoting tolerance. Does Asian club( lets name it that) have a purpose of promoting tolerance towards Asians? No, it doesn't. Why? Because it goes without saying, not being tolerant towards ethnic minority would be a criminal act. This already makes GSA a "unique" organization. Should the organization with such functions be a part of a school system? Probably not, it is not entirely a chess club. What's wrong with having them exist on the outside, promoting that "it's ok to be who you are" while defending gay rights? I think USA is the only country that allows GSA implemented into the school system. This thread started with the news about some guy suing the school for not allowing him to create a local GSA, which is absolutely absurd. He could have taken legal action against people who discriminated him since it's a criminal offense. School made a choice of not allowing the GSA, you should agree it doesn't exist everywhere in the US just yet. From what officials stated, most parents would not tolerate such organization and they probably didn't make that up. My point is, have these kinds of organizations exist separately, not being a part of a school system. From what i read that's how they have it in UK. 2. You mentioned that such a club could be 'trendy', and folks who are not homosexual may try it out. I don't entirely agree with your point, but my agreement is somewhat irrelevant as i still fail to see your point. If a guy wants to experiment with kissing another guy, who the fuck cares? He'll either find out he likes it and will do it again, or he will find out that he does not. As long as the students are practicing safe sex (regardless of which gender you're practicing with), who cares? More to the point: The club is not about having sex. Sex is not permitted in schools, and this club isn't trying to change that. Seems that you do agree with the part about such "club" possibly becoming popular and inviting to "experiment", which is bad enough for most parents to start being concerned about it. Here we approaching the concept of sexuality, which is almost impossible to figure out. From my stand, if someone is young enough to not be confident about his sexual preferences/desires or just uneducated on the subject, he/she might be getting attracted to things he wouldn't think about otherwise. If he tries out a gay relationship first it will most likely affect his sexual life afterwards. I don't think it goes the way you mentioned, if he tries it with a guy more likely he will consider himself gay after. First sexual experience is not something you can just play around with, even the idea of trying things with a person of same sex, just to see if you like it, seems insane to me, maybe i'm just way out-of-date. 3. Sexuality is one of the greatest explorations that most people do in their teenage years. It's seen in movies, video games, posters, newspapers. There's sexual education in school. There are biology classes. The idea of sex is hardly regarded as unnatural or wrong for heterosexuals; if anything it's encouraged (at least among peers). Why should this not be true for homosexuals? I don't understand the double standard. Why do you care where i put my penis? Why do you care if i want to make a club to promote tolerance regarding the way nature made me? It's not about promoting sex, it's about influencing the choice that sometimes people are not ready to make( will regret after making). 4. You made a distinction earlier between 'being born gay' and 'choosing to fuck men'. Could you clarify this a little for me? I've devoted a large part of my life to studying sexuality; my experience has lead me to believe that being attracted to and aroused by the same sex is what makes a person gay, not who they fuck. I wanted to suck cock long before i had an opportunity to - this is what makes me gay. I've fucked a chick while thinking of Brad Pitt, i would say that still makes me gay. Being gay is not about who you have sex with, it's about who you want to have sex with. If your perspective differs from this one, could you explore it out loud for me so that i can better understand your perspective? Here's the main disagreement - i don't think all gay people are born gay. I can imagine some people are born with certain hormone imbalances or disfunctions, on the other hand they could be affected psychologically while growing up. It is hard to single out what specifically led someone to becoming gay; in my opinion most people chose to be gay rather then were born gay. This debate is ongoing and no way in hell will it be decided here on this forum in this thread. This here is the base of your argument, same as mine | ||
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berkguyyy
United States151 Posts
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