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This is either a joke or just plain sad, I don't know anything about how a DMV works in South Korea but one would think that she would have figured out the answers by now, or at least study.
SEOUL (AFP) – A dogged South Korean grandmother has failed her driving test 771 times, police said Thursday, but a local newspaper reported she will keep trying.
The 68-year-old, identified only by her last name Cha, has taken the test almost every working day since 2005 in the southwestern city of Jeonju. She failed again Monday for the 771st time.
"It was a record-breaking number here," Choi Yong-Cheol, a police sergeant supervising the test in the city's Deokjingu district, told AFP.
"I wonder if she will try it again for a 772nd time."
The Korea Times said Cha will in fact be back for another attempt.
Choi said that Cha cannot pass the preliminary written section of the test, averaging scores of 30-50 whereas the pass mark is 60 out of 100.
Local media said that Cha sells food and household items door to door at apartment complexes, carrying the items in a handcart, but wants to get a car for her business.
Police estimate she has spent almost five million won (3,600 dollars) to take the written test, with each test costing 6,000 won in addition to other expenses.
"I feel sorry every time I see Cha fail. When she passes, I'll make a commemorative tablet myself and give it to her," one officer was quoted as saying.
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Wow, that's a big waste of money and time. What's wrong with her. XD
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Aww thats so sad. I hope she can pass!
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fuck driving, give her a copy of SC. but hey, its cool that they dont diminish the standards of passing for old folks...in Cali, there was an 86 year old dude that killed a few people by crashing his car in a camping tent.
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I kinda feel sorry for her. If this was a practical driving test, I wouldn't, cuz she would have the inability to drive. But then again, not knowing the rules may be hazardous as well.
This is kinda funny though, old japanese people are running out of money whereas this particular korean granny has so much cash to burn.
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On February 05 2009 13:05 baal wrote:
That's so sad, which is why I'm laughing really hard right now.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
Statistically she should have guessed correctly by now -_-;;
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third place is nothing to be sad about.
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On February 05 2009 13:12 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Statistically she should have guessed correctly by now -_-;;
You wanna give us the work? I'm thinking with some binomial or something; the chances of a regular person failing and suceeding. Hmmm
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Maybe she should seriously study hard....I mean.....can she even read?
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
now that's what I call persistence
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Three different bad driving stereotypes wrapped into one person.
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Throw in the towel, lady.
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I feel bad for her but if I was one of the exam giving people, I still wouldn't give her a license even if she passed.
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On February 05 2009 13:19 ahole-surprise wrote:
Three different bad driving stereotypes wrapped into one person.
haha so true.
Keep trying woman, eventually you'll get it!
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d'awwwwwwww
and no never give it to her
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
That's old ladies in SK for you - they're a bit scary at times and they're definitely determined (especially when it comes to getting seats on the subway!)
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I think it's ironic that he last name is "Cha" seeing as that's the korean word for Car xD
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On February 05 2009 13:48 StarN wrote:
I think it's ironic that he last name is "Cha" seeing as that's the korean word for Car xD
HAHAHAHA wow nice, didn't think about that
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Wait until she gets to the part where she has to drive
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On February 05 2009 17:48 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Wait until she gets to the part where she has to drive
Maybe she'd be awesome at that and jstu sucks at the written part lol.
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On February 05 2009 13:51 lxginverse wrote:
spongebob...
anyone :-)
Spongebob owns her, he reached practical test.
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Wtf, what a dumb bitch. Brain damage or something XP
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The retard in the picture has my name ..... that hurts.
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i feel bad for her. did her children say anything?
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On February 05 2009 13:12 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Statistically she should have guessed correctly by now -_-;;
Thats only if she's randomly guessing. She's clearly thinking incorrectly.
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Norway28667 Posts
haha
"it was a record-breaking number here"
so someone else failed 770 times? 
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On February 05 2009 18:14 AttackZerg wrote:
The retard in the picture has my name ..... that hurts.
I laughed myself to tears. thank you
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On February 05 2009 18:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:haha "it was a record-breaking number here" so someone else failed 770 times?
I was thinking the exact same thing hahaha
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On February 05 2009 13:14 il0seonpurpose wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 13:12 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Statistically she should have guessed correctly by now -_-;; You wanna give us the work? I'm thinking with some binomial or something; the chances of a regular person failing and suceeding. Hmmm
I'll show some work. Say his average is 40%, how likely is she able to get more than 1 test over 60% in 800 tests?
Well, get more than 1 test in 800 tests is the same as saying
1 - P(getting all 800 under 60%)
Let us assume that each test is 10 problems
Let us assume that for each problem, she has .4 chance of answer correct, and .6 for incorrect
We want to answer: What's the probability that she passes score 6 with her chances?
Well, it's going to be
P(score6) + P(score7) + ... + P(10)
= .4^6*.6^4 + .4^7*.6^3 + ... + .4^10*.6^0
= 0.00138
Actually fairly slim chances.
Now getting all 800 under 60% that would be failing 800 times. Which is
(1 - 0.00138)^800 = 0.33
So that means she'll be passing with a probability of 0.67. Which isn't too bad lol.
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Why not pass her anyway? She will die soon anyway...
Btw I really admire the dedication that woman has. shows some skills.
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"cha"
means car in korean
an obvious play on words
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She probably gets her inspiration from Rock.
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On February 05 2009 20:18 ffswowsucks wrote:
Why not pass her anyway? She will die soon anyway...
Btw I really admire the dedication that woman has. shows some skills.
so that she doesn't take other people with her when she does die?
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On February 05 2009 19:41 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Let us assume that each test is 10 problems
Let us assume that for each problem, she has .4 chance of answer correct, and .6 for incorrect
We want to answer: What's the probability that she passes score 6 with her chances?
Well, it's going to be
P(score6) + P(score7) + ... + P(10)
= .4^6*.6^4 + .4^7*.6^3 + ... + .4^10*.6^0
= 0.00138
Actually fairly slim chances.
Binomial coefficient, no?
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On February 05 2009 21:36 goldrush wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 19:41 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Let us assume that each test is 10 problems
Let us assume that for each problem, she has .4 chance of answer correct, and .6 for incorrect
We want to answer: What's the probability that she passes score 6 with her chances?
Well, it's going to be
P(score6) + P(score7) + ... + P(10)
= .4^6*.6^4 + .4^7*.6^3 + ... + .4^10*.6^0
= 0.00138
Actually fairly slim chances.
Binomial coefficient, no?
Elaborate, yes? 
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On February 05 2009 13:05 baal wrote:
U are pathetic...
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If she just took the test every second day and studied the day before each test she might get it. One wonder if the 770 person quit or managed to pass the test after 770times. Assuming someone took that many.
I dont know how hard it could be to drive in seoul but driving in alot of larger cities is tricky and i doubt that someone that fail a drivingtest 771 times would manage that. But who knows, maybe she has been taking 771 lessons too.
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Females shouldn't drive anyways. Let alone an old asian female.
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On February 05 2009 13:01 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Aww thats so sad. I hope she can pass!
If she manages to pass, theres no way of knowing if she passed because she knew the right answers or she just got lucky. She could be out driving a car with no understanding of the road rules and seriously flawed logic skills.
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I remember a similar story a few years ago about an illiterate guy passing the test on like his 1000th try. They threw a party for him; I'd be running...
From what I remember, you need over a 70% to pass, and there are 200 multiple choice (4 choices) questions. So the chance that someone guesses everything correctly is (1/4)^200; I'm brain-dead right now so I can't remember how to calculate for a certain %...
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200 theorical questions for a test drive? ROFL what in the fuck.
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They're all stuff like "You're in the 2nd lane on a 4-lane road, and you want to pass a truck in front of you. Do it in which lane?" Choices are 1, 2, 3, 4. And showing you a circular arrow (who the fuck ever saw one of those?) and asking what it means. But the choices are obvious; stop, make a left, rotary ahead, make a right.
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lol. Thats like if you walked into an advanced medical exam 700 times and expected to pass on the 701st. If you don't know the stuff why bother.
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rofl how cute. 아주마power man
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My dad just told me that he saw on CNN that a South Korean woman passed her driving test after her 772nd try. I know it's the same person, but I'm not sure if he actually read it right (they didn't announce it, it was on the scrolling bar thing on the bottom) that she passed it, or if it was just announcing that she failed again.
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Even if she manages to pass... I'd make her pass it AGAIN just to make sure that bitch didn't get lucky!
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ok, apparently my dad did read it wrong, it just says she's attempting it now. So no indication of whether she will or did pass or fail.
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Bet you 50 bucks she fails again..
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On February 05 2009 13:11 Faronel wrote:That's so sad, which is why I'm laughing really hard right now.
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she obviously has severe memory problems - even if she passes one time, she would still forget that information tomorrow
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I've heard that it is difficult to pass a driving test in South Korea but I've never heard of anything like this.
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On February 05 2009 21:51 evanthebouncy! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 21:36 goldrush wrote:On February 05 2009 19:41 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Let us assume that each test is 10 problems
Let us assume that for each problem, she has .4 chance of answer correct, and .6 for incorrect
We want to answer: What's the probability that she passes score 6 with her chances?
Well, it's going to be
P(score6) + P(score7) + ... + P(10)
= .4^6*.6^4 + .4^7*.6^3 + ... + .4^10*.6^0
= 0.00138
Actually fairly slim chances.
Binomial coefficient, no? Elaborate, yes?
Er...
The way you did it, you assume that there's only one way of getting 6 correct answers and 4 failures. However, there are (10C6) different ways of getting 6 correct and 4 failures. An example of this would be:
FFFFPPPPPP
FFFPFPPPPP
which are two different scores while still having 6 correct answers and 4 failures.
So it should be (10C6) * 0.6^4 * 0.4^6 + (10C7) * 0.6^3 * 0.4^7 + ... + (10C10) * 0.4^10
If I remember my probability class correclty, that is.
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She really should not be driving.
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On February 05 2009 13:01 b3h47pte wrote:
she should study. :|
driving test not hand written. you fail comprehension!
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Raithed, read OP. Fail...
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On February 06 2009 06:47 Raithed wrote:driving test not hand written. you fail comprehension!
How on earth did you get 5000+ posts without getting banned yet? Whenever I read your name, before I scroll down I'm like "I'm about to read some stupid one-liner that he threw in after looking at the op for 5 seconds, only to disappear from the thread"
Proves me right, once again.
Idk why I took time to type this, not like he will read it.
On topic: Wow. I really wouldn't let her drive anyway (she still has to do the practical exam after this, i.e. driving a car in the city etc, right? I'd say no way of success possible )
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MURICA15980 Posts
Just hire somebody to drive for you.
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On February 05 2009 13:12 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Statistically she should have guessed correctly by now -_-;;
I thought it was written and not multiple choice?
Iono I'm gonna start driving in 1~3 years XD
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On February 06 2009 07:47 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2009 06:47 Raithed wrote:On February 05 2009 13:01 b3h47pte wrote:
she should study. :| driving test not hand written. you fail comprehension! How on earth did you get 5000+ posts without getting banned yet? Whenever I read your name, before I scroll down I'm like "I'm about to read some stupid one-liner that he threw in after looking at the op for 5 seconds, only to disappear from the thread" Proves me right, once again. Idk why I took time to type this, not like he will read it. On topic: Wow. I really wouldn't let her drive anyway (she still has to do the practical exam after this, i.e. driving a car in the city etc, right? I'd say no way of success possible )
He's been banned 3 times -_-;; but you're right, he has made it to 5k, so he must be doing something right.
I was thinking the same thing- usually (at least in california if i remember correctly) they make you wait a week between each failed test. Also, assuming that she ever gets her permit, she's really going to be in trouble when she gets behind the wheel.
She might just have problems reading/interpreting the questions though >.>
the best way to do it is probably binominally, but I didn't figure out how many questions there were. I think there were 100, but you need to know if there are 4 answers or 5 answers. I don't think she's taken it anywhere near enough times to be able to pass it on random guessing alone.
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On February 06 2009 06:34 goldrush wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 21:51 evanthebouncy! wrote:On February 05 2009 21:36 goldrush wrote:On February 05 2009 19:41 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Let us assume that each test is 10 problems
Let us assume that for each problem, she has .4 chance of answer correct, and .6 for incorrect
We want to answer: What's the probability that she passes score 6 with her chances?
Well, it's going to be
P(score6) + P(score7) + ... + P(10)
= .4^6*.6^4 + .4^7*.6^3 + ... + .4^10*.6^0
= 0.00138
Actually fairly slim chances.
Binomial coefficient, no? Elaborate, yes? Er... The way you did it, you assume that there's only one way of getting 6 correct answers and 4 failures. However, there are (10C6) different ways of getting 6 correct and 4 failures. An example of this would be: FFFFPPPPPP FFFPFPPPPP which are two different scores while still having 6 correct answers and 4 failures. So it should be (10C6) * 0.6^4 * 0.4^6 + (10C7) * 0.6^3 * 0.4^7 + ... + (10C10) * 0.4^10 If I remember my probability class correclty, that is.
Yes you're right. :p
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On February 06 2009 07:47 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2009 06:47 Raithed wrote:On February 05 2009 13:01 b3h47pte wrote:
she should study. :| driving test not hand written. you fail comprehension! How on earth did you get 5000+ posts without getting banned yet? Whenever I read your name, before I scroll down I'm like "I'm about to read some stupid one-liner that he threw in after looking at the op for 5 seconds, only to disappear from the thread" Proves me right, once again. Idk why I took time to type this, not like he will read it.
this guy seems to agree with you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=SpiritoftheTunA
=o
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she needs to learn how to STUDY
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Ugh this makes me sad
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aww poor old lady. She's really determined. If she hits 1k, just give it to her.
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just a thought, lil susie will be a korean granny some day ^_^
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On February 06 2009 08:48 Klogon wrote:
Just hire somebody to drive for you.
lol, if she had the money to do that she wouldn't need to have a car for work
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Wow... thats so terrible (referring to the picture...)
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On February 06 2009 13:21 TheFlashyOne wrote:
just a thought, lil susie will be a korean granny some day ^_^
i cant wait.
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On February 06 2009 10:46 evanthebouncy! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2009 06:34 goldrush wrote:On February 05 2009 21:51 evanthebouncy! wrote:On February 05 2009 21:36 goldrush wrote:On February 05 2009 19:41 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Let us assume that each test is 10 problems
Let us assume that for each problem, she has .4 chance of answer correct, and .6 for incorrect
We want to answer: What's the probability that she passes score 6 with her chances?
Well, it's going to be
P(score6) + P(score7) + ... + P(10)
= .4^6*.6^4 + .4^7*.6^3 + ... + .4^10*.6^0
= 0.00138
Actually fairly slim chances.
Binomial coefficient, no? Elaborate, yes? Er... The way you did it, you assume that there's only one way of getting 6 correct answers and 4 failures. However, there are (10C6) different ways of getting 6 correct and 4 failures. An example of this would be: FFFFPPPPPP FFFPFPPPPP which are two different scores while still having 6 correct answers and 4 failures. So it should be (10C6) * 0.6^4 * 0.4^6 + (10C7) * 0.6^3 * 0.4^7 + ... + (10C10) * 0.4^10 If I remember my probability class correclty, that is. Yes you're right. :p
What needs to be calculated is her "true" correct answer rate. That is, assuming that the odds of her passing with 771 tries are 50%, and assuming that she just chooses a random answer each time she doesn't know, what percentage of answers does she know?
edit: On second thought, couldn't she just have used the $3,600 to bribe someone for a passing grade?
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The odds of passing:
Assuming 10 questions with 4 multiple choice answers.
In order to pass the test, the woman must answer at least 6/10 questions correctly. This presents 5 distinct possibilities for passing the test. She may pass with 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%, or 100%. Furthermore, the woman has a .25 chance of getting an answer correct and a .75 chance of getting an answer incorrect.
The likelihood of getting each individual percentage is determined by the following:
( .25^(# correct questions desired) * .75^(# of incorrect questions desired) ) * 10! / ( (#number of correct questions desired) ! * (#number of incorrect questions desired) ! )
More simply, for the first option of 100%, you have:
( .25^10 * .75^0 ) * 10! / (10! * 0!)
( .25^10 * 1 ) * 10! / (10! * 1)
( .25^10 ) * 10! / 10!
( .25^10 )
.25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25
The likelihood of her getting each individual percentage needs to be determined then added together. A quick explanation of the math is that the percent chance of receiving a % grade is determined by your chances of getting each answer correct or incorrect then multiplied by the number of possible iterations.
As anyone can see, for 100% the possible arrangements of the .25 are limited to only 1. With 90% you have a still obvious 10 arrangements of the .75. With 80% there are 45, and so forth.
(.25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25) * 1
(.25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * 75) * 10
(.25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .75 * .75) * 45
(.25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .75 * .75 * .75) * 120
(.25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .25 * .75 * .75 * .75 * .75) * 210
Multiplying gives you:
9.53674*10^-7 + .000029 + .000386 + .00309 + .016222 = .019728
This is a 1.97277% chance of passing when answering entirely randomly. With a .019728 chance of success, she has a 1 - .019728 = .980272 chance to fail. The chance to fail 771 times is...
.980272^771 = 2.12974*10^-7 = .00000021
Conclusively, there's a .000021% chance that when answering these questions completely randomly 771 times, she will have not passed even once.
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I'm gonna go with she's failing on purpose because she likes the people there and it's an excuse to get out of her house every day. =]
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On February 06 2009 13:09 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
aww poor old lady. She's really determined. If she hits 1k, just give it to her.
hell no get her off the road permanently
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On February 05 2009 19:41 evanthebouncy! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 13:14 il0seonpurpose wrote:On February 05 2009 13:12 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Statistically she should have guessed correctly by now -_-;; You wanna give us the work? I'm thinking with some binomial or something; the chances of a regular person failing and suceeding. Hmmm I'll show some work. Say his average is 40%, how likely is she able to get more than 1 test over 60% in 800 tests? Well, get more than 1 test in 800 tests is the same as saying 1 - P(getting all 800 under 60%) Let us assume that each test is 10 problems Let us assume that for each problem, she has .4 chance of answer correct, and .6 for incorrect We want to answer: What's the probability that she passes score 6 with her chances? Well, it's going to be P(score6) + P(score7) + ... + P(10) = .4^6*.6^4 + .4^7*.6^3 + ... + .4^10*.6^0 = 0.00138 Actually fairly slim chances. Now getting all 800 under 60% that would be failing 800 times. Which is (1 - 0.00138)^800 = 0.33 So that means she'll be passing with a probability of 0.67. Which isn't too bad lol.
The problem with your math is it discounts iterations entirely. This is very easy to notice if you try to calculate the chance of her to get any score using your formula:
.4^0*.6^10 + .4^1*.6^9 + ... + .4^10*.6^0
= .01793
= 1.793%
So you're essentially implying she has only a 1.793% chance of even getting a score. Period.
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Does someone else think she may be doing this on purpose ?
Like to get attention or something ?
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On February 05 2009 18:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:haha "it was a record-breaking number here" so someone else failed 770 times?
exactly what i thought lol
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lol that is pretty sad, but when I think of my grandma, she fits that "stereotype" pretty well
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Wowwwww what an idiot...
Instead of spending 3600 dollars on taking the test, spend a fucking hour studying the answers and then take the test once...
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its 775 times now according to Yahoo!
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I am more scared if she passes the exam
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Well, at least the test works, here in Brazil they would have said something like "hmmmm you passed but you need to gimme some money for administrative costs"
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On February 05 2009 13:05 baal wrote:
this is so freakin mean D:
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this thread should be updated with the actual new numbers
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i hope she doesnt pass because she is gonna be a threat to everyone on the street
the day after she passes the test...
*skorea headline*
"old lady kills 20"
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I was inclined to call her stupid, but after reading the story, man I feel really bad for her.
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That's insane. What the hell...
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I want to go help her out
Edit: HAHA she DID pass.
This should be a lesson for all low-league players. PERSISTENCE!
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Reminds me of Spongebob Squarepants
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O_O i was wondering why this was bumped
Congratulations to her I guess. Although am I the only one thinking that she would be pretty dangerous on the road?
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Ms. Cha, whose name, coincidentally enough, is Korean for “vehicle,” now also appears on a prime-time television commercial for Hyundai.
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On September 05 2010 11:50 writer22816 wrote:
O_O i was wondering why this was bumped
Congratulations to her I guess. Although am I the only one thinking that she would be pretty dangerous on the road?
As the article says, she passed the driving portion fine, it was only the written (not even mc, mind you) part that she failed.
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Perhaps someone should tell her you can't drive through red lights.
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On September 05 2010 11:53 Karliath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 11:50 writer22816 wrote:
O_O i was wondering why this was bumped
Congratulations to her I guess. Although am I the only one thinking that she would be pretty dangerous on the road? As the article says, she passed the driving portion fine, it was only the written (not even mc, mind you) part that she failed.
the nytimes article says she failed 2 driving skill and road tests 4 times each before passing
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On September 05 2010 12:23 Danze wrote:
Perhaps someone should tell her you can't drive through red lights.
I can attest in korea this is perfectly legal
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so she can drive the car. she just doesnt have a good understanding of the laws... that's not so bad. but beware anyways. she's gonna cut lanes and skip lights
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WTF is wrong with them? If she already failed the damn thest 771 times she is obviously not fit to drive.
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On February 05 2009 13:01 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Aww thats so sad. I hope she can pass!
So when she finally slips past the system, she will wreck and kill a family?
Theres a reason if she is failing that many times. Some people should just not be driving.
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On September 05 2010 23:58 Bhaalgorn wrote:
WTF is wrong with them? If she already failed the damn thest 771 times she is obviously not fit to drive.
read the article, she failed because she basically can't understand the road terminology, due to her low grade of education, so she tried to visually memorize the answers without knowing their meaning.
Anyway in 5 years she could probably learn to read and write properly, and then try the test..
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she must be fkn stupid....
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wow she is really determined and good luck to her.
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Poor lady. I think random guessing will get a 60% in 771 tries.
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What the hell do you need a license for, I've never seen anyone get pulled over for anything ever here lol.
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That's some cheap tests and easily repeatable...
One driving licence test here costs:
written (must pass this to go for practical, it's valid for 6 months) - ~8USD
practical - ~40USD
And there's usually a one month waiting period between you can take the test again in the case you fail (usually just 1 exam centre/city, they're overcrowded, practical exam is ridiculous and ~70-80% people fail it at least once).
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She must be a big spongebob fan. lol
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If you choose random answers, you will get 60% at least once in 771 times :|
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At least she can now take her grand kids to the zoo. :D
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