Fantasy: Robin Hood, Braveheart, Indiana Jones, Pirates Of The Carribean, Princess Bride, Labyrinth , Ninja Scroll, Vampire Hunter D, , Kung-Fu movies, etc.
Sci-Fi: Terminator, Starship Troopers, Predator, Aliens, The Thing, Cube, Mad Max, Robocop, Matrix, Total Recall, Universal Soldier, Independence Day, Face/Off, 12 Monkeys, Ghost In The Shell, etc.
TV: Fantasy Shows/Miniseries: Xena - Warrior Princess, Highlander, Robin, Hood, Hercules - Legendary Journeys, Merlin, King Arthur, Excalibur, Dragon XX, etc.
Sci-Fi Shows/Miniseries: Star Trek, Andromeda, BattleStar Galactica, Babylon 5, Farscape, Stargate, Sliders, Dark Angel, Lost In Space, Seaquest - DSV, Dune (this is borderline both categories imo), Planet Of The Apes, Earth - Final Conflict, etc.
Games: Fantasy: Warcraft, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy, Diablo, Dungeons & Dragons, Everquest, Ultima Online, Magic: The Gathering, Warhammer, Baldur's Gate, Breath Of Fire, Mario Bros., Zelda, Might & Magic, etc.
Sci-Fi: Starcraft, Command & Conquer, Metroid, Halo, Quake, Unreal, AvP, Doom, Oddworld, Asteroids, Galaga, Mechwarrior, Duke Nukem, Area 51, Halflife, Fallout, Mega Man, etc.
I myself like sci-fi more (not to say I like all the shit I posted) but, old style swords and bows and spells doesn't appeal to me at all except for a few things. Sci-Fi is more realistic/plausible to me, therefor it's easier to relate with. Example; It's a fact that no one can create fire with their hands and then throw it. However, in the present time there are such things as flamethrowers. Tech beats magic any day imo.
Also, Sci-fi can usually make you think and open your mind to things that you maybe never thought about before. Fantasy is just an escape from reality and its all the same recycled stuff.
I think of Fantasy as more kiddie stuff.
Poll: Worse (Vote): Sci-Fi (Vote): Fantasy (Vote): Don't like either (Vote): Love both
Starcraft initially didn't appeal to me because it was sci-fi (after all i started on warcraft 2). It just appealed because It was an RTS and it was made by blizzard. The universe is way way secondary from game play.
On December 20 2008 09:27 Nitrogen23 wrote: well, this is a starcraft site, which is more of a futuristic sci-fi game. so... im going to say fantasy will be the worst.
yes, I think the same as the OP.
The fantasy kind of things, relates more to magical and mystic things, which is related to kids or more like nerdier stuff. :o
Also, Sci-fi can usually make you think and open your mind to things that you maybe never thought about before. Fantasy is just an escape from reality and its all the same recycled stuff.
I think of Fantasy as more kiddie stuff.
For these reasons, Sci-Fi is more nerdy. The appeal of sci-fi is generally limited to the 15-35 Male crowd, whereas the appeal of Fantasy is often multi-dimensional, appealing to different groups for different reasons.
WoW has made fantasy the nerdy theme by excelence so, until Blizzard comes up with a World of StarCraft, i will vote for fantasy... Just because all the kids masturbating to their night elves characters.
Superhero movies are getting quite popular these days, and they are more sci fi than fantasy. But they are pretty hard to categorize imo.
Characters created in the 1960s often used pseudo-scientific origins because science was a pop culture fad at the time, in the context of the intense period of the global Tech race. Compare them to the Superheroes of the 1930s (Batman, who was a traumatized child, Superman, who was an alien, or Wonder Woman, who was a Greek Goddess.)
Wait so what is your point? Or are you just emphasizing mine?
PS- lol, im just glad I got Moltke to post in a thread.
btw, most of my friends are probably Fantasy over Sci-Fi. They all like Wc3, Dota, and wow. And from the time wc3-wow came out they always told me to stop living in the past while I played broodwar (kind of ironic if you think about it).
I don't think it's something that you can just generalize. Each situation needs to be judged separately, because there are some huge differences between a lot of the things that are being lumped together under the same category.
Basically what I mean is, some parts of Fantasy are definitely nerdier than parts of Sci-Fi and vice versa. It's very difficult to say which is nerdier overall though simply because of what all there is to consider, personal bias being one. Like others have said though, this being the holy worshipping grounds of StarCraft outside of Korea, this question is pretty much answered already.
On December 20 2008 09:27 Nitrogen23 wrote: well, this is a starcraft site, which is more of a futuristic sci-fi game. so... im going to say fantasy will be the worst.
On December 20 2008 11:14 JaZz wrote: Braveheart is non-fiction ffs lol
Well, its based on a true story. I just couldn't think of any medieval type movies off the top of my head except braveheart.
Are you serious? There aren't many but there's quite a lot of them:
KotOR 1 & 2 Mass Effect Systemshock Bioshock (not really sure if it's more fps or more rpg) FALLOUT series?!?!?!?!?!
And others like it: Dead Space (can't really call it a shooter) Metal Heart etc. etc.
Dead Space sucks, Bioshock sucks, And these are both TPS/FPS and Boishock is not really sci-fi. Its old 50s style with mutants and shit, that's more fantasy than anything.
Fallout 1 & 2 suck, the game system was just too terrible. I gave up after like 15 minutes.
Sci-fi has always seemed more innovative, more original and more interesting to me. Partly because every fantasy universe seems to be a carbon copy of the other; elves, goblins, magic. Not many have the guts to try anything completely original, and that's a shame because there's so much potential territory not being explored by writers. I'm sick of it to a point where I might dislike something on the only basis of including some of those very cliche elements. Warcraft, for example, had a great universe up until beyond the dark portal. It had alot of classic fantasy elements, but it differed in it's presentation; It was about HUMANS versus ORCS. No shitty pretentious subplots that sound like they were writted by 12 year olds, no big epic storytelling, just WAR - two factions ripping the crap out of eachother and you didn't know or care why. Then warcraft 3 and WoW came along and the story became all about immature crap.
Lately I've been feeling the same about a lot of sci-fi. For a genre that's supposed to be about imagination, it seems incredibly unimaginative. It's always about humanoid aliens who aren't really aliens at all because they have far more in common with humans than any of the millions of earth-dwelling species that live on earth do and their mighty plan to invade the earth and enslave the human race. In fact, for all the thousands if not millions of sci-fi plots created within the last century, I can't think of a single one that has credible aliens - that is, aliens that aren't very earth-like. Think of the vast diversity of life we have on earth; from us, to bacteria, plants, protists, fungi... and the best they can come up with are dudes with ridges on their foreheads who speak a fluent american english and adhere to western idustrialised ideals.
You want originality? Look at the universe from the Thief games. Now that is a pretty damn awesome universe.
I recall the crowd in the cinema when I went to watch Chronicles of Riddick And I picture the big fans of Star Trek, Star Wars, Flash Gordon, etc as a bunch of nerds. I guess part of it is because some of those individuals have a strong interest in future technology which is highly associated with computers and robotics. People with those interest are stereotyped to me to be nerdies.
Whereas, people who like medieval, fantasy, and magic are probably lovers of the arts. I picture them enjoying a good book, appreciating art works, and daydreaming. They may be weird, and some are nerdy, but I think most aren't.
in sum, Sci-Fi = Likes computers, robots, technology = Nerd Fantasy = Likes to daydream, art, read = Artist
Isaac Asimov said something about how Sci-Fi is the future of mankind, the dream/vision that we all work for. I say that's true, and that fantasy is just for little bitches who don't like the world.
On December 20 2008 13:10 Leath wrote: I think Sci-Fi, Future is more nerdy.
I recall the crowd in the cinema when I went to watch Chronicles of Riddick And I picture the big fans of Star Trek, Star Wars, Flash Gordon, etc as a bunch of nerds. I guess part of it is because some of those individuals have a strong interest in future technology which is highly associated with computers and robotics. People with those interest are stereotyped to me to be nerdies.
Whereas, people who like medieval, fantasy, and magic are probably lovers of the arts. I picture them enjoying a good book, appreciating art works, and daydreaming. They may be weird, and some are nerdy, but I think most aren't.
in sum, Sci-Fi = Likes computers, robots, technology = Nerd Fantasy = Likes to daydream, art, read = Girl traped in a Boys body.
Cosplay is the spawn from mostly Fantasy. I mean of course there are the ones who show their love for Star trek and Star wars by dressing up at conventions, but most cosplay shit is fantasy. Fuck Cosplay.
I think both genres have their share of extreme nerds. Star Trek conventions and WoW conventions attract the same type of socially awkward, nerdy people... they just wear different costumes.
in all honesty they are both NERDY as hell, and the content isn't what makes the nerd it's the level of commitment, example, everyone and their mother has played SC, but how many know who july is and what 5 hatch hydra means, wait how many know what an expansion is, seriously, we are all sci fi nerds to an extent, and some won't admit to being a fantasy nerd in some extent as well.
I loved Baldur's gate and final fantasy 7, and am a nerd of both, I can tell you every character in both games, and in baldur's gate i can go so far as to tell you where you can get 95% of the items, in both 1 -2 and the expansion for 2, as well as in icewind dale 2. in FF7 i can tell you where to get 90% of materia who, how and when you should level what, as well as the order of answers you should give when you meet Yufie ( don't use that save point)
If you're wondering, because this is always misinterpreted as me living in a basement are being socially inept, I have had 8 relationships 4 more serious ones, and 100 flings (estimate ( exaggeration) probably closer to 20-30) , i am 18, athletic (lean is more the term) and have lived in 4 countries, i work full time at a bakery with 5 girls making $9 and hour, failed the 11th grade in europe( portugal) for missing an exam, have an estimated I.Q of 142, took the A.C.T the equivalent of the S.A.T at the request of duke university when i was 13 (7th grade) ( I lived the U.S for 8 years(Miami)) ( i had to choose between one or the other and I was told the A.C.T was harder) which i got average grades on, ( i have never had to study outside of a classroom during class hours, in my life. I wasn't interested/ motivated enough i guess)
My interest in games started with my brother, who is a 26 genius ( literally) unemployed, homosexual (sort of) ( not flaming ) and is living in a remote town north of the Portuguese capital, he is very promiscuous, and has a more active sex life than anyone i will ever meet, and i have met hookers. So no he isn't a socially inept, but he played D&D with the boards and everything and had RPG books .
Edit: I think I.Qs are bullshit, but they offer some insight edit 2: typo
I've always considered sci-fi to be the more nerdy one, though its probably just because Fantasy has always appealed to me more than sci-fi (except SC).
based on popular opinion, probably fantasy but sci-fi isn't that much better although its perceived more as cool due to star wars and transformers (if they hadn't existed they would think everyone was a trekkie)
lol scifi is 100% nerdier than fantasy. At least, lotr> any scifi thing ever in terms of everything. Sci-fi is mostly just "look at how kool lazor effekts" or "lol i wish humanity wil fly these pew pew lazorbeem swoosh whippli dappli doo space ships in future".
Only good scifi movie i know of is 2001: a space odyssey.
Fantasy may be a bit gayer with those elves and stuff, scifi is still worse
On December 20 2008 20:10 CharlieMurphy wrote: Cosplay is the spawn from mostly Fantasy. I mean of course there are the ones who show their love for Star trek and Star wars by dressing up at conventions, but most cosplay shit is fantasy. Fuck Cosplay.
I think both have its casual appeals and both have its nerdy appeals.
For instance, theres rpgs of both themeres, Sci fi, and Fantasy, they just cater to different publics of nerds.
Imho, its a matter of opinion, I personally, really like blends, with magic and science.
For instance, in the D&D campaign I DM (its fantasy), the gnomes are really advanced in technology because of theyr magic habilities, so they are already trying to create a space station while everyone else squatters over magic items and lands.
And where do you draw the line between one and another, can I can the protoss a fantasy race ? I mean there are psionics in D&D as much as there are psionics in Sci Fi.
Its not important if its medieval or futuristic, whats important if its high quality or not.
Fantasy is so much more than just goblins and elves. All fiction that uses magic or the supernatural as a large part of the plot can be said to be fantasy. Its just that mainstream fantasy cant get their thumbs out of J.R.R.Tolkiens ass.
Sci-fi on the other hand is more about speculations based on current or future science or technology. I'll quote wikipedia:
Science fiction differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation). Exploring the consequences of such differences is the traditional purpose of science fiction, making it a "literature of ideas".[2] Science fiction is largely based on writing entertainingly and rationally about alternate possibilities[3] in settings that are contrary to known reality.
Fantasy and Sci-fi are not mutualy exclusive and I would say that Star Wars is to some degree fantasy. Basing a movie in a medieval setting also doesn't make it fantasy. Both Sci-fi and fantasy are two kinds of speculative fiction.
That being said I love both genres but I find that books and movies of sci-fi are often better written and include more interesting philosophical questions etc. I have yet to find a movie equivalent of 2001 in a fantasy setting. I don't think either of them is super nerdy today. All the new kids have grown up with harry potter and star wars cartoons etc. I guess hardcore sci-fi books and pen and paper fantasy role playing will always be a bit nerdy in peoples eyes though
Love both but I'd say Sci-Fi is nerdier because it glorifies a future that will never be (yet they hope for it) whereas fantasy glorifies a past that never was (i.e. no hoping). Though I have to say the extremists are probably on the fantasy side (I hate it when they try and tell me I can't coil my chainmail wire with a powerdrill since they didn't have that in the authentic time while wearing glasses and posting their vids on fkn youtube. God I hate that).
On December 21 2008 00:44 LordWeird wrote: LOTR >> Star Wars
So therefore, Fantasy > Sci-Fi
Sci-Fi is worse. Boom bang, I solved the problem through the benefits of math
The Dune series and universe would be better if you want to compare something sci-fi with LOTR.
True, but to be quite honest I could never really get into Dune. I used to play some RPs with a guy who was apeshit over Dune, and that kinda put me off to it. So having never actually read the book, I can't really make a fair judgment.
On December 21 2008 00:44 LordWeird wrote: LOTR >> Star Wars
So therefore, Fantasy > Sci-Fi
Sci-Fi is worse. Boom bang, I solved the problem through the benefits of math
The Dune series and universe would be better if you want to compare something sci-fi with LOTR.
True, but to be quite honest I could never really get into Dune. I used to play some RPs with a guy who was apeshit over Dune, and that kinda put me off to it. So having never actually read the book, I can't really make a fair judgment.
You should I love book one and three the most. But both Dune and the LOTR books are kind of heavy to read. They both tend to give these elaborate descriptions of settings and characters that can last for a page or more ^^. You really have to immerse yourself in the book and read it long periods at a time to really feel all that the books have to offer.
On December 20 2008 12:34 CharlieMurphy wrote: Dead Space sucks, Bioshock sucks, And these are both TPS/FPS and Boishock is not really sci-fi. Its old 50s style with mutants and shit, that's more fantasy than anything.
Fallout 1 & 2 suck, the game system was just too terrible. I gave up after like 15 minutes.
Never heard of the other ones.
If you do not follow fantasy/sci-fi too much (judging on your movie and book selections in the op) then what's the difference? Both should be equally nerdy for you.
And about Bioshock being set in the 50's: Sci-fi does not automatically imply any kind of future. There are sci-fi books with action in ancient times, medieval and what not (especially the countless sci-fi set in the WW II reality).
On December 21 2008 03:15 Mikilatov wrote: I'd definitely have to say that fantasy is nerdier, HOWEVER, as far as the hardcore top 1% goes, extreme sci-fi nerds take the cake.
You mean this guys that collect Star Trek action figures and never unpack them etc.?
Actually, usually if you like fantasy book/movies you arent really a nerd. But if you watch a lot of scifi, you are bound to be called a nerd. I mean how could you not be?
Scifi is good when there is less pew pew and more interesting thoughts about future or just a plain good story.
Pew pew ones are the nerdier ones which are fairly entertaining to watch but still.
Fantasy is worse, but I don't necessarily dislike it. Fantasy isn't nerdy to me, it's just gay. It's always the really faggy, fat kids, with no friends and pimples all over their face that love fantasy stuff. I hate those kids.
They're the same damn thing. I mean, let's say you write a story that involved people disappearing somewhere, and reappearing somewhere else. If it's a sci-fi story, they do that with technology. If it's fantasy, they do it with magic. Either way, it makes no difference.
On December 22 2008 04:00 Hawk wrote: You're a nerd if you like either of them, where's the argument?
True.
But I think fantasy is overall much nerdier. Yes, Star Wars/Trek has some pretty hardcore nerd fans, but Star Trek has been a fairly "mainstream" TV show for many...decades! And there's countless other movies you could talk about that are "Sci fi" that you wouldn't consider nerdy, like anything set in the future (I'm thinking of a movie like Minority Report, or A.I.), killer robot types (Robocop omg?), killer monsters (Cloverfield, although I haven't seen it, etc. Godzilla)
The only two truly accepted fantasy tv/movies have been Harry Potter and LOTR. And I wouldn't even say those are fully accepted. I know a few people that would never watch a LOTR movie for it being too nerdy. And the vast majority of guys I'd say over 20ish wouldn't read/want to watch Harry Potter. I know TL is probably an exception since I and a lot of others have read and enjoyed the books, but we are definitely not a balanced representation of the male population (most of whom don't read) :/
o.o i voted for both cause i want to be wisked away to a magical world handed a guass machine gun and ordered to start blowing apart hightemplars and zerglings alike
Also note: harry potter and LOTR are a very unique form of fantasy and i really woulden't use them as the main example of the genre since there are much better pieces of literature and film.
Fantasy is unrealistic and doesn't try to be realistic at all, so that's OK. Sci-Fi sometimes tries to make unrealistic shit sound plausible. For example, any movie involving "hacking" erks the shit out of me. I was watching Swordfish last night, and Hugh Jackman's character is presented with a 512-bit encrypted authentication that he has to break in 60 seconds. It shows his character trying to brute force the password, "anon, anonymous, admin, administrator, pass, ..." and then he nails it. Might as well be Fantasy because it would take the age of the universe to brute force a password that way. 60 seconds, pshhhh.
On December 22 2008 04:49 rekluce wrote: o.o i voted for both cause i want to be wisked away to a magical world handed a guass machine gun and ordered to start blowing apart hightemplars and zerglings alike
Also note: harry potter and LOTR are a very unique form of fantasy and i really woulden't use them as the main example of the genre since there are much better pieces of literature and film.
Oh gawdd. You did not just compare Harry Potter to LOTR =[
On December 22 2008 04:49 rekluce wrote: o.o i voted for both cause i want to be wisked away to a magical world handed a guass machine gun and ordered to start blowing apart hightemplars and zerglings alike
Also note: harry potter and LOTR are a very unique form of fantasy and i really woulden't use them as the main example of the genre since there are much better pieces of literature and film.
Oh gawdd. You did not just compare Harry Potter to LOTR =[
You're right, I'm pretty sure he didn't. If anything, he conflated them. Comparing usually involves a value judgement, and I didn't hear him say one was better than the other.
Star Trek vs Bladerunner = ST is noobish nerd shit while Bladerunner is all around awesome movie that's intelligent entertainment
Willow vs Xena: The Warrior Princess = I don't really have to explain this, do I?
Most things considered nerdy are usually poor quality, pulled out of the ass, dumb, low budget etc. etc. stuff (low budget not being a major factor here but still). Most things that SHOULD be nerdy are usually based on the literary classics within the Fantasy/Sci-Fi genre, have deep plot, are written by the people who actually know what they're doing (Arthur C. Clarke anyone?) and not only nerds like them. Examples of good fantasy/sci-fi: (only movies) Sci-Fi: 2001 the Space Oddysey Bladerunner Clockwork Orange Gattaca Dune (only version directed by Lynch) Experiments Lain (anime) Donnie Darko
Fantasy: Lord of the Rings trilogy Willow Pan's Labyrinth Spirited Away (anime) Mononoke Hime (anime) The Neverending Story
So to classify nerdy: Movies/books that fall into fantasy/sci-fi category, are usually supported by large amounts of franchise (action figures, comics, various items) (LotR might be an exception here, but popularity made it so), they're much lower quality than works that have 'defined' the genre etc. etc. (and notice that usually things that are nerdy have their TV series - Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Xena and Hercules and stuff like that).
My friends used to go LARPing and dress up as elves (one girl even painted herself blue.) so from personal experience I'd say fantasy is nerdier. Although if one of my friends dressed up as a robot I might have to re-think my ideas.
- voted sci-fi, cause it is the stuff that has forged many of our technological breakthroughs; I mean before reality there must be dreams e.g. not to mention many obvious ones, here is an obscure example: a Logic named Joe by Murray Leinster in 1955, not only predicted the personal computer and the internet but the possible problems in might come with..
- anyway objectively speaking sci-fi wins 10:1 against fantasy when it comes to fiction if u go through my bookshelves - I enjoy both though : ) imagine a world without Tolkein? ouch!
On December 22 2008 09:27 nevergg wrote: My friends used to go LARPing and dress up as elves (one girl even painted herself blue.) so from personal experience I'd say fantasy is nerdier. Although if one of my friends dressed up as a robot I might have to re-think my ideas.
On December 22 2008 11:05 Disarray wrote: fantasy is nerdier because its more larpable, and larping as we all know, is the epitomy of nerdiness.
also, its unrealistic whereas usualy sci-fi is usually based around a realistic what-if-future scenario.
haha, What if aliens came to earth and built a portal to our imagination and goblins and orcs came running out pillaging and raping everything in sight?
lol, thats actually not a bad premise for a cross genre.
On December 22 2008 11:05 Disarray wrote: fantasy is nerdier because its more larpable, and larping as we all know, is the epitomy of nerdiness.
also, its unrealistic whereas usualy sci-fi is usually based around a realistic what-if-future scenario.
haha, What if aliens came to earth and built a portal to our imagination and goblins and orcs came running out pillaging and raping everything in sight?
lol, thats actually not a bad premise for a cross genre.
On December 22 2008 05:10 HeadBangaa wrote: I prefer Fantasy. I like both though.
Fantasy is unrealistic and doesn't try to be realistic at all, so that's OK. Sci-Fi sometimes tries to make unrealistic shit sound plausible. For example, any movie involving "hacking" erks the shit out of me. I was watching Swordfish last night, and Hugh Jackman's character is presented with a 512-bit encrypted authentication that he has to break in 60 seconds. It shows his character trying to brute force the password, "anon, anonymous, admin, administrator, pass, ..." and then he nails it. Might as well be Fantasy because it would take the age of the universe to brute force a password that way. 60 seconds, pshhhh.
Mark this under that short list of shit we agree on =p
I like both myself. But ZOMBIES are my favorite nerd thing.
And for a good fantasy/sci fi (it's both!) movie, look no further than KRULL:
On December 22 2008 05:10 HeadBangaa wrote: I prefer Fantasy. I like both though.
Fantasy is unrealistic and doesn't try to be realistic at all, so that's OK. Sci-Fi sometimes tries to make unrealistic shit sound plausible. For example, any movie involving "hacking" erks the shit out of me. I was watching Swordfish last night, and Hugh Jackman's character is presented with a 512-bit encrypted authentication that he has to break in 60 seconds. It shows his character trying to brute force the password, "anon, anonymous, admin, administrator, pass, ..." and then he nails it. Might as well be Fantasy because it would take the age of the universe to brute force a password that way. 60 seconds, pshhhh.
Mark this under that short list of shit we agree on =p
I like both myself. But ZOMBIES are my favorite nerd thing.
And for a good fantasy/sci fi (it's both!) movie, look no further than KRULL:
were u the one that reccomended this in my blog? I DLed it and I keep falling asleep when they get passed the widow. its an ok movie
On December 20 2008 13:10 Leath wrote: I think Sci-Fi, Future is more nerdy.
I recall the crowd in the cinema when I went to watch Chronicles of Riddick And I picture the big fans of Star Trek, Star Wars, Flash Gordon, etc as a bunch of nerds. I guess part of it is because some of those individuals have a strong interest in future technology which is highly associated with computers and robotics. People with those interest are stereotyped to me to be nerdies.
Whereas, people who like medieval, fantasy, and magic are probably lovers of the arts. I picture them enjoying a good book, appreciating art works, and daydreaming. They may be weird, and some are nerdy, but I think most aren't.
in sum, Sci-Fi = Likes computers, robots, technology = Nerd Fantasy = Likes to daydream, art, read = Artist
fantasy = long-haired dnd players who listen to metal and can't dress properly.
call them artists or fags, the facts stay the same.
EPT
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