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On October 23 2008 20:48 Schnake wrote:So, apparently, various airports in Europe and Australia have been/will be testing these new 3D scanners, which basically scan through your clothing and create a nude image of your whole body. This is said to help find explosives and knives not being detected by current scanning technology. I am kind of shocked by these pictures because I doubt that the added security is in any justifiable relationship to the massive loss of privacy/dignity. Although they currently say that it is still in testing stages and they won't force any passenger to use these whole body scans, I still am worried about the future application of this method. Who knows what will be next? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7683096.stmhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071573http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,585983,00.html![[image loading]](http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1220985,00.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1335251,00.jpg)
Who the fuck is going to volunteer for one?
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On October 24 2008 06:53 FzeroXx wrote:
You guys really care if someone sees a black and white photo of you on a computer screen "naked" ??
Apathy is the ruination of our society and world. Thanks for bringing us one step close.
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On October 24 2008 09:27 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2008 06:53 FzeroXx wrote:
You guys really care if someone sees a black and white photo of you on a computer screen "naked" ?? Apathy is the ruination of our society and world. Thanks for bringing us one step close.
This. Slippery slope and all.
Either way, terrorists on airplanes don't kill that many people. I've never understood that fear, you should be way more afraid of lunatics on the road every time you get in a car than of terrorists on a plane.
Not to be insensitive, but by making us go through ever-increasing levels of security and violations of privacy in the name of "national security", they're accomplishing more than they ever did killing people. In fact, an interesting fact is that more inconveniences in airline travel actually kill more people since it makes more people drive, which is much much more dangerous.
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On October 24 2008 09:35 theonemephisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2008 09:27 Alizee- wrote:On October 24 2008 06:53 FzeroXx wrote:
You guys really care if someone sees a black and white photo of you on a computer screen "naked" ?? Apathy is the ruination of our society and world. Thanks for bringing us one step close. This. Slippery slope and all. Either way, terrorists on airplanes don't kill that many people. I've never understood that fear, you should be way more afraid of lunatics on the road every time you get in a car than of terrorists on a plane. Not to be insensitive, but by making us go through ever-increasing levels of security and violations of privacy in the name of "national security", they're accomplishing more than they ever did killing people. In fact, an interesting fact is that more inconveniences in airline travel actually kill more people since it makes more people drive, which is much much more dangerous.
Without airport security, alot more planes would be blown up. I imagine it would be hard to argue otherwise.
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Canada9103 Posts
lol @ how so many people have already lost their sense of personal privacy, and/or have no respect for others' rights to privacy.
Please do the rest of the world a favour and stay in the US and Great Britain.
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Sorry, I'm just not prudish enough to give a shit if someone sees me naked. It has nothing to do with my privacy. I don't want you staring in my windows, but if I'm going to board an international aircraft that could be a security risk to countries... I can understand why they would want to speed things up in making sure everyone is clean.
Apathy? I care about tons of shit, just not my right to hide things when going through international airports. Anything that speeds up flying = a'ok in my book.
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On October 24 2008 09:35 theonemephisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2008 09:27 Alizee- wrote:On October 24 2008 06:53 FzeroXx wrote:
You guys really care if someone sees a black and white photo of you on a computer screen "naked" ?? Apathy is the ruination of our society and world. Thanks for bringing us one step close. This. Slippery slope and all. Either way, terrorists on airplanes don't kill that many people. I've never understood that fear, you should be way more afraid of lunatics on the road every time you get in a car than of terrorists on a plane. Not to be insensitive, but by making us go through ever-increasing levels of security and violations of privacy in the name of "national security", they're accomplishing more than they ever did killing people. In fact, an interesting fact is that more inconveniences in airline travel actually kill more people since it makes more people drive, which is much much more dangerous.
In fact, in the last 7 years, terrorists haven't killed hardly anyone in USA. Perhaps we should get rid of all security since terrorist attacks are so rare.
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Can't wait till a celebrity walks by one of those things
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i find this hilarious. I definitely would volunteer.
holdon is the woman in the first picture taking a piss?:O
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I think we have airports in our country that makes people strip of their pants or is it their shirt,...
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i don't understand the gripe.
the airport security pulling you aside and having to strip search you is less of a violation or privacy than seeing an OUTLINE of your nude body?
honestly. if this means they have to do less strip-searches, it's a good thing.
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you can run faster with knife equiped:p
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On October 24 2008 15:28 Mora wrote:
i don't understand the gripe.
the airport security pulling you aside and having to strip search you is less of a violation or privacy than seeing an OUTLINE of your nude body?
honestly. if this means they have to do less strip-searches, it's a good thing.
I read a comment of a German journalist with pakistani heritage and apparently he had to strip down all clothes except for his underwear for a search.
His conversation went something like this:
Security: "Have you been often to the United States?",
Journalist: "Yes, why do you ask?"
Security guy doesn't reply to this question.
Security: "And you were a German citizen since your birth?"
Journalist: "No, I had a Pakistani passport / was a Pakistani citizen in the past."
He eyes the journalist again.
Security: "Please follow me."
Compared to this, such a strip scanner definitely seems like an improvement but the problem there lies in the strip search policy in general.
Luckily, it seems as if these scanners will probably not be utilized in Germany although the police will start tests in a controlled environment at the end of this year:
"Naturally any device that produces such images won't be used in Germany," Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble said on the sidelines of a meetings of European Union Interior ministers in Brussels. The Christian Democrat stressed that national security shouldn't be made to look "farcical" to the general public. "I won't let the German police be thought of as peeping toms -- which they are not," he said.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,586414,00.html
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Yeah, I heard that in the news report just a few minutes ago. This is definitely good news. I would neither like to be "scanned" nor I'd like to be one of the security people how has to look at those pictures all day. Imo these scanners are a punch in the face of privacy itself.
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On October 24 2008 09:27 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2008 20:48 Schnake wrote:So, apparently, various airports in Europe and Australia have been/will be testing these new 3D scanners, which basically scan through your clothing and create a nude image of your whole body. This is said to help find explosives and knives not being detected by current scanning technology. I am kind of shocked by these pictures because I doubt that the added security is in any justifiable relationship to the massive loss of privacy/dignity. Although they currently say that it is still in testing stages and they won't force any passenger to use these whole body scans, I still am worried about the future application of this method. Who knows what will be next? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7683096.stmhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071573http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,585983,00.html Who the fuck is going to volunteer for one?
If you get the option to either get a full search of your body or get scanned with these I think that most would chose the scanner.
Scanning people will probably not become a standard procedure but instead just an option to the full search.
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I bet it'll suck in the U.S.
"Ah FUCK not one of the fat folds again!"
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Meh i dont really give a shit. I think people are too insecure.
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On October 24 2008 09:59 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2008 09:35 theonemephisto wrote:On October 24 2008 09:27 Alizee- wrote:On October 24 2008 06:53 FzeroXx wrote:
You guys really care if someone sees a black and white photo of you on a computer screen "naked" ?? Apathy is the ruination of our society and world. Thanks for bringing us one step close. This. Slippery slope and all. Either way, terrorists on airplanes don't kill that many people. I've never understood that fear, you should be way more afraid of lunatics on the road every time you get in a car than of terrorists on a plane. Not to be insensitive, but by making us go through ever-increasing levels of security and violations of privacy in the name of "national security", they're accomplishing more than they ever did killing people. In fact, an interesting fact is that more inconveniences in airline travel actually kill more people since it makes more people drive, which is much much more dangerous. In fact, in the last 7 years, terrorists haven't killed hardly anyone in USA. Perhaps we should get rid of all security since terrorist attacks are so rare.
At least from the utilitarian point of view this makes sense. Think about it this way- everyone who flys is pretty rich (airplane flights arn't cheap). Let's assume just for fun they make 100k a year, or 11 dollars an hour for 24 hours a day for 365 days a year. You're wasting 15-30 minutes of their time every time they fly. So on a plane filled with 400 people, you're losing 2000 dollars just by the inefficiencies inherent in security. Multiply that out by 50000 flights every day, and you start to have real money.
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I've also seen, by going to enough different airports, that its about protection of property first and the protection of people as a side effect. Why do I say this? I've seen several airports where there can be hundreds and hundreds of people with little to no security at the beginning stages of the airport, far more than could fit on a single plane. Yet as you get closer to the planes, that's when security gets crazy. If I was a business man and needed to protect my investment, I would know that since people naturally get on the planes, if I protect the planes I also protect SOME of the people, so its very easy to spin that its all about the safety of the people. But hey that's just an observation from first hand experience.
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Without airport security, alot more planes would be blown up. I imagine it would be hard to argue otherwise.
Nobody's trying to blow up planes.
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