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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-20 02:41:51
October 20 2008 02:38 GMT
#501
On October 20 2008 11:12 FzeroXx wrote:
Yeah, being a lieutenant to genocide and being a lieutenant to a legitimate war are two different things. Yes, we know now that the intelligence was flawed, but Powell didn't know that at the time. He's also one of the few republicans who can speak their mind without sounding like a walking machine of agenda or a looney.


The My Lai Massacre was the mass murder of 347 to 504 unarmed citizens of the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), almost entirely civilians and some of them, women and children, conducted by U.S. Army forces on March 16, 1968. Some of the victims were sexually abused, beaten, tortured, or maimed, and some of the dead bodies were mutilated


Powell was a Major who tried to cover it up. Maybe it wasn't a genocide, but it wasn't much better. He was also involved in the Iran-contra affair. This is not a man of outstanding moral fiber.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
October 20 2008 02:53 GMT
#502
Good thing no one else ever did anything bad in a war, I guess? I'd rather listen to someone like him than almost any other Republican.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
October 20 2008 02:55 GMT
#503
I dont get it, you say im the Kings of morons (besides rpf) but you fucking agree now that Powell is a fucking scumbag who sold his soul to the Bush administration??? thats what i implied in my post you idiot.


BTW Mensrea, why do you admire such a thing as patriotism, that segregating mind numbing tool used for governments to manipulate their ignorant population, only fools are patriots.
Im back, in pog form!
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 20 2008 02:57 GMT
#504
On October 20 2008 11:55 baal wrote:
I dont get it, you say im the Kings of morons (besides rpf) but you fucking agree now that Powell is a fucking scumbag who sold his soul to the Bush administration??? thats what i implied in my post you idiot.


BTW Mensrea, why do you admire such a thing as patriotism, that segregating mind numbing tool used for governments to manipulate their ignorant population, only fools are patriots.


Because people have different life experiences and not everyone hates theyr countries ?

Im not a patriot, but thats because i live in a country where i have been more thiefed by the police than the thiefs.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 20 2008 02:58 GMT
#505
On October 20 2008 11:55 baal wrote:
I dont get it, you say im the Kings of morons (besides rpf) but you fucking agree now that Powell is a fucking scumbag who sold his soul to the Bush administration??? thats what i implied in my post you idiot.

No, you made another ridiculous and unsubstantiated post about how terrible America is, as if Powell's endorsement somehow reflects Obama's policy decisions.

I'm quite positive you don't know how to spell 'My Lai' let alone have any understanding of what the massacre was.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 20 2008 03:01 GMT
#506
On October 20 2008 11:53 FzeroXx wrote:
Good thing no one else ever did anything bad in a war, I guess? I'd rather listen to someone like him than almost any other Republican.

He covered up an atrocity. Like mensrea said, he didn't step down from SoS out of courage, he got fired and now he wants to "clear" his name.

He may very well have been a great general and capable SoS, but he's not the saint or hero people portray him as.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
October 20 2008 03:07 GMT
#507
What I think is relevant about Powells endorsement, is the reasons for them. They are similar to Buckley's reasons for endorsing Obama. The republican machine has brought us 2 Bush terms, a war, the patriot act, a severe diminishment in the level of open democracy of our government... I mean you could write books upon books about the sinister accomplishments of the right over the last 8 years. McCains campaign falling apart, and republicans deciding to endorse Obama are signs that the republican machine is falling apart. It has crippled this country and I hope its demise will force the republican party to redefine itself into something half way respectable.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
TimeShifter
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore235 Posts
October 20 2008 03:08 GMT
#508
its obvious that obama will win, but i don't really like obama.

his policies are not very good and are overly-centered on the people on a short-term basis compared to McCain's..and both of their economic recovery plans are really dumb, not workable and short-term..

Obama will be a great president in a sense he would be more American and be more pro-american than prowhite/black. but i really cant see any good in any of his policies..

i think McCain would just be another Bushie.

lol..?
strawberries~
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 20 2008 03:15 GMT
#509
On October 20 2008 12:08 TimeShifter wrote:
its obvious that obama will win, but i don't really like obama.

his policies are not very good and are overly-centered on the people on a short-term basis compared to McCain's..and both of their economic recovery plans are really dumb, not workable and short-term..

Obama will be a great president in a sense he would be more American and be more pro-american than prowhite/black. but i really cant see any good in any of his policies..

i think McCain would just be another Bushie.

lol..?


How can you say that ?! The man wants to rebuild the basic infrastructure that consolidates the basis of a future.

Education, Healthcare, Foreign Policy thro diplomacy.

If you think his proposals for education and healthcare are lame thats one thing, but to say that it is short-term is completely retarded.

5k health credit is longterm ? LAWL LAWL LAWL
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
MrOwMrOw
Profile Joined March 2008
New Zealand48 Posts
October 20 2008 03:27 GMT
#510
McCain definitely...

I'm not gonna repeat what people wrote before or add stuff you probably already know...

He's just my choice...
~*^(S)aint^*~
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 20 2008 03:32 GMT
#511
On October 20 2008 12:27 MrOwMrOw wrote:
McCain definitely...

I'm not gonna repeat what people wrote before or add stuff you probably already know...

He's just my choice...


I hope you cant deliver it =)

We need some socialist baby killer!
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
October 20 2008 05:00 GMT
#512
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Wolverine
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
138 Posts
October 20 2008 05:19 GMT
#513
So Powell was a moron hack for claiming WMD’s in Iraq, now he's a hero of intelligence and perception.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
October 20 2008 05:53 GMT
#514
On October 20 2008 11:53 FzeroXx wrote:
Good thing no one else ever did anything bad in a war, I guess? I'd rather listen to someone like him than almost any other Republican.



Then you have low expectations of your leaders. That's your prerogative, but don't whine when the consequences come home to roost.
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
October 20 2008 06:38 GMT
#515
On October 20 2008 14:00 Jumperer wrote:
most republicans lack logical reasoning skill. it is pointless to argue with them.

lol check out their comments in this forum. It's hilarious.

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1648982&start=1&CurrentPage=1



they don't lack it. Its their strategy to ignore and deny it. has worked the last 8 years.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
October 20 2008 07:13 GMT
#516
On October 20 2008 11:55 baal wrote:

BTW Mensrea, why do you admire such a thing as patriotism, that segregating mind numbing tool used for governments to manipulate their ignorant population, only fools are patriots.




I never said I "admire patriotism". I said I admired "[Colin Powell's] patriotism". As I've said, his patriotism is misguided and he is, in my eyes, a deeply flawed figure. But he is without doubt a good soldier.

Remember though that being a "good soldier" basically means he is unfit to take the reigns of leadership in a modern democracy - at least not those that behave morally (and not just when it's expedient to do so).

Being a good soldier also didn't seem very persuasive as a defense during the Nuremberg Trials.

Like I said, Powell is a deeply flawed figure.
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 20 2008 07:47 GMT
#517
Dont you just love it

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14724.html
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Locke.
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Israel562 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-20 07:51:17
October 20 2008 07:49 GMT
#518
What Powell said is just common sense. It's basically that Mccain Palin is unacceptable for obvious reasons and that Obama is better than them.

America, you are not a democracy when you only have ONE sane option.
Obama is being "forced" upon you because he is the only candidate that makes sense.
Even people who are of opposite beliefs are forced to accept him since there is no one capable on the other side.
In a country with the best educational institutions and so many brilliant people it looks very very fishy that it all culminates to Palin vs Obama.

From the outside it honestly looks like this election was manipulated. It seems like someone wanted to make sure the Democrats win no matter what.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 20 2008 07:52 GMT
#519
blame the dynamics of conservative politics and cultural warfare for that.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
October 20 2008 07:54 GMT
#520
Fuuuuuck. I dun want Obama to be president. He's going to disarm the civilians. THAT worked well for Britain.

We're hosed, guys.
seriously next disrespectful comment in this blog is ip ban. Be happy or get the hell out. // SC2 is like playing with neutral-colored Play-Doh while BW is like colorful Legos.
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