Live web cast of dragon/black hole in EU

On September 09 2008 23:48 Hawk wrote:
What time zone and am or pm? Kinda important =]

On September 09 2008 23:58 Krohm wrote:
Yeah I'd like to know a time zone as well. Imagine watching the live stream and a black hole did get created. Then it like sucked up some shit, and you seen it all on Camera, then the camera went out. I wonder wtf I'd do in that situation other than think "Oh shit".

On September 10 2008 00:12 Nytefish wrote:
Funny how some people are seriously scared of it. ^^

On September 10 2008 00:19 jingXD wrote:
We should have a liquibet of what will pop out.

How many points would you get if you correctly guess end of the world?

On September 10 2008 00:14 Mhugues wrote:
Its in Switzerland (geneve) so the time zone is obviously CET.


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On September 09 2008 23:58 Krohm wrote:
Yeah I'd like to know a time zone as well. Imagine watching the live stream and a black hole did get created. Then it like sucked up some shit, and you seen it all on Camera, then the camera went out. I wonder wtf I'd do in that situation other than think "Oh shit".

On September 10 2008 03:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
in layman's terms they are recreating what they believe to be a smaller scale event like the "Big Bang." From there they can learn a lot about that event, the creation of earth and the particles involved.

On September 09 2008 23:45 Elvin_vn wrote:
“the Large Hadron Collider might make dragons that might eat us up.” - Dr. Arkani-Hamed said concerning worries about the death of the Earth or universe (link)

On September 10 2008 03:11 BlackJack wrote:
Is there anyone that knows a ton about this that could put it in layman's terms for me? Like what do they plan on doing and why they are doing it and what they expect to happen?

On September 10 2008 02:23 gentile wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM&eurl <- there you go, we have fun preparing our doom.

On September 10 2008 06:58 KaasZerg wrote:
If a black hole forms it would drop to the center of the earth. If it is very small it might not grow very fast and be hardly noticable in the beginning. We would accellerate towards it with the maximum of 1G. Closing in on it the acceleration would increase. The moon will continue its orbit around the earth black hole. Some matter might be ejected into space like the jets of a pulsar. It won't happen but thats how I imagine it.

On September 10 2008 09:03 Fontong wrote:
So basically it'll do something normal people hardly understand, but may be of immense import as to the people who understand what actually goes on.

On September 10 2008 10:09 koreasilver wrote:
You're retarded.

On September 10 2008 10:05 CapO wrote:
wtf, i've read everyone's comments in this thread, and no one has any doubts about a possible black hole from LHC?

it's great that we are keep trying to find out the wonders of science and universe, but wtf? if it can be life threatening to entire earth, i do not see a point of actually risking it.

even though, like everyone else,i have had thoughts about death and whatnot, but i don't wanna die in a split second without knowing when my time's coming to an end. shit, man.

and why are we counting down for 9/10, even though the real one is going to take place on 10/21?

someone please bomb LHC. i'm pretty sure a majority of people would be against the LHC, if they actually knew about its potential risks.

edit: YES, I AM SCARED.

On September 10 2008 10:14 Machine[USA] wrote:
w8 the real test is 10/21?

On September 10 2008 10:17 DanceCommander wrote:
Gordan, step away from the-

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH PSPPHPSPHPPH PEWPEWPWEP B00MB00mB00M

On September 10 2008 10:16 CapO wrote:
u guys are 100% confident that nothing's gonna go wrong for the man kinds?

On September 10 2008 10:30 skyglow1 wrote:


You can't be 100% sure, but you can be pretty close to being 100% sure. It's like you can't be sure the next you get into a car that you won't die in a car crash. The chance of anything going wrong in the LHC experiments is much much less than the chance of you dieing in a car crash too.

On September 10 2008 10:34 CapO wrote:


alright, but im talking about the man-kind. if it has the slightest chance of destroying the earth, i'd say NO to LHC please!! :/

On September 10 2008 10:34 CapO wrote:


alright, but im talking about the man-kind. if it has the slightest chance of destroying the earth, i'd say NO to LHC please!! :/

On September 10 2008 11:08 Pads wrote:
I'm probably going to get really drunk and watch this with dick in hand so I know I will be having a good time when I die, if that happens.

On September 10 2008 11:01 Folca wrote:
Lets just hope scientists know wtf they're doing, haha

On September 10 2008 14:29 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
what if instead of a black hole sucking us up, it spits out a new race called Ssotorp and our country becomes taken over with Pylons and Gateways?

On September 10 2008 14:29 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
what if instead of a black hole sucking us up, it spits out a new race called Ssotorp and our country becomes taken over with Pylons and Gateways?

On September 10 2008 16:36 Dosed wrote:
You'd think an experiment of this magnitude would warrant servers which could handle everyone in the world connecting up and watching the live stream -_-

On September 10 2008 17:02 kroko wrote:
I am yet to realize why is this test being done ? To prove that God dosnt exist ? Is it really worth of it :O..

On September 10 2008 17:15 0xDEADBEEF wrote:


Without that test, there's nothing that could be done to increase our knowledge of particle physics (and whether the current model of the elementary particles is accurate or not (which is kind of a mess, really... heard of the Higgs particle? It's just a *hypothetical* particle, i.e. it wasn't proven to exist yet (in the LHC it might be), it's just assumed that it's there because according to our standard model it should be there).
So yeah this is pretty damn important.
On a global scale, what good would life be anyway if humanity as a whole didn't make progress in science anymore? I'm glad that we don't live in the Middle Age anymore... :p

On September 10 2008 18:26 D10 wrote:
I agree with your point, but its not like there other areas of science we cant improve, i mean, how long is it supposed to take for particle physics knowledge to start helping me at my home ? from all i know it can create a dragon that will consume it.

On September 10 2008 20:15 Smurg wrote:
I'm in a new dimension right now, it's pretty swell.

Blackholes ftw.

On September 10 2008 21:12 alpskomleko wrote:
Another analogy: killing your own turrets over and over again to see the man in the turret tossed out in the explosion. You know he's in there and should be seen flying around, but you never saw him.

On September 10 2008 21:47 KOFgokuon wrote:
good we're all alive

On September 10 2008 22:12 iNfeRnaL wrote:
rofl... nerds

On September 10 2008 22:10 Piste wrote:
yea but they will not use it's full capacity in years..

On September 10 2008 22:27 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:


Years is an overstatement, but they will definitely not go much above 5 TeV this year.

On September 10 2008 22:45 alpskomleko wrote:


Are you sitting at CERN in this historical moment and posting on TL? That seems a bit odd
Btw, I'd love if you could read what I posted above and pointed out if I got anything wrong. You seem to be qualified to correct what's been said and elaborate on these matters.

On September 11 2008 10:59 Faronel wrote:
I didn't get my dragon. Oh well, science is already on it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Large_Hadron_Collider

Try try again...

The image is produced by an event display program, which provides a nice visual representation of the output of the whole detector (ATLAS in this case) for one event. One event here means one beam crossing, generally, which could include up to several proton-proton collisions, but generally only one interesting one.

Now, I'm not completely familiar with ATLAS (I'm a CDF guy), but I'm pretty sure the top left section is the muon chambers. These record, well, muons, which are the only thing which interacts poorly enough to consistently punch all the way through the detector and the layers of steel in front of the muon chambers, but strongly enough to be recorded all the way along its passage.

The top center shows a zoomed in view of the middle of the top left: the calorimeters. Calorimeters record the amount of energy that enters them, and are arranged radially, so that you can see just how much energy (in the form of both mass and kinetic energy) was carried away from the collision in a particular direction. This is accomplished by means of scintillator crystals, which tend to get ionized by the passage of high energy particles, thus absorbing some energy from the particles, and then they reemit that energy as photons, which are collected and measured in photomultiplier tubes. The calorimeters are used to look for most particles, particularly electrons and "jets" (which are a spray of particles resulting from the ejection of a quark from the collision), both of which leave clusters of energy over a significant area of the calorimeter.

The top right is again a zoomed in view of the middle of the top center: the tracking chambers. These act sort of like thousands and thousands of geiger counters; every time a charged particle passes through the vicinity of a wire in the tracking chamber, it records a hit. You can then piece all these hits together in a line to measure the track of a particle. The offcenter pink and blue line is almost certainly a cosmic ray, which will naturally leave a track in the chamber, but not appear to originate from the interaction point. In the lower left, you can see what is probably two different short track segments.

The first three images have been more or less slices out of the center of the detector, perpendicular to the beam line. The lower left is a side-on view, showing the somewhat less important parts of the detector that lie at small angles to the beam line, the so-called forward detectors.

The lower right is probably intended to be a flat plot of the calorimeter, as if you sliced it parallel to the beam line and unrolled it. The height of the bars would then indicate how much energy was deposited in each section. However, at the moment, that plot looks like it is having some sort of overflow problems.

On September 10 2008 20:19 betaben wrote:
http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/index.php
http://picasaweb.google.com/graeme.a.stewart/LHCRedButtonDay#

looks like they sprayed the detector a bit - that can't be too good.

On September 13 2008 02:20 betaben wrote:


this, and more pictures, are here

On November 19 2009 01:31 zatic wrote:
This thing is just as bad as SC2. I predict there will be another delay, pushing the thing back to December 2012.

On November 19 2009 01:31 zatic wrote:
This thing is just as bad as SC2. I predict there will be another delay, pushing the thing back to December 2012.

On November 18 2009 22:05 meeple wrote:
Did anyone hear about the bird that somehow damaged it?

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1937370,00.html

On November 18 2009 21:56 disciple wrote:
More than a year after an explosion of sparks, soot and frigid helium shut it down, the world’s biggest and most expensive physics experiment, known as the Large Hadron Collider, is poised to start up again. LHC has been fixed and seem ready to become operational by the end of this week.

Various sources however claim that the Collider wont be started again before December. But will it actually work? A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

Wow.

On November 19 2009 04:14 Foucault wrote:


The funny thing is that reality is more crazy than science fiction. What you mentioned above doesn't sound impossible at all, try quantom physics for unexplainable and extremely weird stuff.

We are quite blind about the weirdness of reality, in our daily lives.