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Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States217 Posts
September 11 2008 14:21 GMT
#121
I love how:the Large Hadron Collider might make dragons that might eat us up.” - Dr. Arkani-Hamed said concerning worries about the death of the Earth or universe

Implies that the dragons may be friendly and not eat us after all.
Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
September 11 2008 15:01 GMT
#122
It's easy to be afraid of what you don't understand.
Brood War loyalist
alpskomleko
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Slovenia950 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 15:50:18
September 11 2008 15:49 GMT
#123
Pictures popping up: apparently this is one of the first events in the ATLAS detector. Though why it detected anything when there have been no collisions yet is beyond me. Perhaps Silence can elaborate on this part.

[image loading]


Oh, and here's what appears to be a detailed description of the image from science.slashdot.org:

The image is produced by an event display program, which provides a nice visual representation of the output of the whole detector (ATLAS in this case) for one event. One event here means one beam crossing, generally, which could include up to several proton-proton collisions, but generally only one interesting one.

Now, I'm not completely familiar with ATLAS (I'm a CDF guy), but I'm pretty sure the top left section is the muon chambers. These record, well, muons, which are the only thing which interacts poorly enough to consistently punch all the way through the detector and the layers of steel in front of the muon chambers, but strongly enough to be recorded all the way along its passage.

The top center shows a zoomed in view of the middle of the top left: the calorimeters. Calorimeters record the amount of energy that enters them, and are arranged radially, so that you can see just how much energy (in the form of both mass and kinetic energy) was carried away from the collision in a particular direction. This is accomplished by means of scintillator crystals, which tend to get ionized by the passage of high energy particles, thus absorbing some energy from the particles, and then they reemit that energy as photons, which are collected and measured in photomultiplier tubes. The calorimeters are used to look for most particles, particularly electrons and "jets" (which are a spray of particles resulting from the ejection of a quark from the collision), both of which leave clusters of energy over a significant area of the calorimeter.

The top right is again a zoomed in view of the middle of the top center: the tracking chambers. These act sort of like thousands and thousands of geiger counters; every time a charged particle passes through the vicinity of a wire in the tracking chamber, it records a hit. You can then piece all these hits together in a line to measure the track of a particle. The offcenter pink and blue line is almost certainly a cosmic ray, which will naturally leave a track in the chamber, but not appear to originate from the interaction point. In the lower left, you can see what is probably two different short track segments.

The first three images have been more or less slices out of the center of the detector, perpendicular to the beam line. The lower left is a side-on view, showing the somewhat less important parts of the detector that lie at small angles to the beam line, the so-called forward detectors.

The lower right is probably intended to be a flat plot of the calorimeter, as if you sliced it parallel to the beam line and unrolled it. The height of the bars would then indicate how much energy was deposited in each section. However, at the moment, that plot looks like it is having some sort of overflow problems.
players do games, press mens do their things. and fans do make good cheers.
ToT)SiLeNcE(
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany590 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-12 12:45:20
September 12 2008 12:44 GMT
#124
They had beam shutters right in front of the Atlas detector. They stopped the protons there to apply corrections to the beam before going further. But loads of secondary particles (i.e. muons, pions,...) get produced in the process of stopping the primary protons. These secondary particles light up the detector which is sitting shortly after the beam shutter.

edit: the protons also collide with left over gas atoms, because of the not yet perfect vacuum in the beam pipe.
betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
September 12 2008 17:20 GMT
#125
On September 10 2008 20:19 betaben wrote:
http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/index.php
http://picasaweb.google.com/graeme.a.stewart/LHCRedButtonDay#

looks like they sprayed the detector a bit - that can't be too good.


this, and more pictures, are here
alpskomleko
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Slovenia950 Posts
September 12 2008 20:25 GMT
#126
On September 13 2008 02:20 betaben wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2008 20:19 betaben wrote:
http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/index.php
http://picasaweb.google.com/graeme.a.stewart/LHCRedButtonDay#

looks like they sprayed the detector a bit - that can't be too good.


this, and more pictures, are here


I now realize this, but you should work on your skills of presenting material for evaluation. Two impersonal links just don't cut it.
players do games, press mens do their things. and fans do make good cheers.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
November 18 2009 12:56 GMT
#127
More than a year after an explosion of sparks, soot and frigid helium shut it down, the world’s biggest and most expensive physics experiment, known as the Large Hadron Collider, is poised to start up again. LHC has been fixed and seem ready to become operational by the end of this week.

Various sources however claim that the Collider wont be started again before December. But will it actually work? A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

Wow.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Lovin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark812 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 12:59:58
November 18 2009 12:59 GMT
#128
I heard about that! Gonna be awesome ^^
AKA SuddenSalad
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 18 2009 13:05 GMT
#129
Did anyone hear about the bird that somehow damaged it?

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1937370,00.html
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
November 18 2009 16:09 GMT
#130
so delicate yet so powerful

D:

i'm excited !_!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15345 Posts
November 18 2009 16:31 GMT
#131
This thing is just as bad as SC2. I predict there will be another delay, pushing the thing back to December 2012.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
November 18 2009 16:38 GMT
#132
On November 19 2009 01:31 zatic wrote:
This thing is just as bad as SC2. I predict there will be another delay, pushing the thing back to December 2012.

Lol soo true.
Forever Vulture.. :(
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
November 18 2009 18:10 GMT
#133
On November 19 2009 01:31 zatic wrote:
This thing is just as bad as SC2. I predict there will be another delay, pushing the thing back to December 2012.

actually another theory is that if they start it now it will reach full capacity just for December 2012. Even if they start it now it must run flawlessly for years, which is nearly impossible
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 18:14:30
November 18 2009 18:13 GMT
#134
On November 18 2009 22:05 meeple wrote:
Did anyone hear about the bird that somehow damaged it?

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1937370,00.html

lolololol
This article can't be serious.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6173 Posts
November 18 2009 18:23 GMT
#135
I can't wait to see if they will be able to find new item to add to the standard model.

I want to finally find the mysterious Higgs boson...please
n_n
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10757 Posts
November 18 2009 18:49 GMT
#136
clearly sabotage by the french.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
November 18 2009 19:14 GMT
#137
On November 18 2009 21:56 disciple wrote:
More than a year after an explosion of sparks, soot and frigid helium shut it down, the world’s biggest and most expensive physics experiment, known as the Large Hadron Collider, is poised to start up again. LHC has been fixed and seem ready to become operational by the end of this week.

Various sources however claim that the Collider wont be started again before December. But will it actually work? A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

Wow.


The funny thing is that reality is more crazy than science fiction. What you mentioned above doesn't sound impossible at all, try quantom physics for unexplainable and extremely weird stuff.

We are quite blind about the weirdness of reality, in our daily lives.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
November 18 2009 19:15 GMT
#138
On November 19 2009 04:14 Foucault wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2009 21:56 disciple wrote:
More than a year after an explosion of sparks, soot and frigid helium shut it down, the world’s biggest and most expensive physics experiment, known as the Large Hadron Collider, is poised to start up again. LHC has been fixed and seem ready to become operational by the end of this week.

Various sources however claim that the Collider wont be started again before December. But will it actually work? A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

Wow.


The funny thing is that reality is more crazy than science fiction. What you mentioned above doesn't sound impossible at all, try quantom physics for unexplainable and extremely weird stuff.

We are quite blind about the weirdness of reality, in our daily lives.


How awesome would it be if string theory could be proved in vivo? Go LCH!
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
ShinyGerbil
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada519 Posts
November 18 2009 19:25 GMT
#139
maybe the same time travelling 'terminators' that are created by the LHC are coming back to delay SC2, due to its huge influence on the future of earth?
[s]savior[/s] jaedong fighting! // member of LighT eSports
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