Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 812

On May 18 2025 01:20 GreenHorizons wrote:

Russia will actually control more of the land and would demand even more is one obvious way

On May 18 2025 02:00 Falling wrote:
That will still happen even if Ukraine capitulated to Russia's 'offer'. That was the condition for a ceasefire, not a peace agreement.

So Ukraine withdraws, Russia agrees to a ceasefire, then breaks the ceasefire before we even get to peace negotiations because that's all they've ever done and the war continues but Russia gets to advance past Ukrainian's current defensive positions for free.

Look how many lives we have saved! We are the true humanitarians by appeasing conquering tyrants.

On May 18 2025 06:57 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
You need to understand that in GHs world Russia is doing great and there is no real cost to this war. Their military industrial complex is doing great, the economy is fine and manpower is unlimited. There are no real problems or trade offs for keeping this up forever, and Russia is significantly more powerful than Ukraine.

From that perspective taking any kind of deal is the only logical choice for Ukraine.

On May 18 2025 06:57 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
You need to understand that in GHs world Russia is doing great and there is no real cost to this war. Their military industrial complex is doing great, the economy is fine and manpower is unlimited. There are no real problems or trade offs for keeping this up forever, and Russia is significantly more powerful than Ukraine.

From that perspective taking any kind of deal is the only logical choice for Ukraine.

On May 18 2025 08:36 Billyboy wrote:

But Hamas entering Israel and killing >1000 civilians taking hostages and getting all their citizens bombed is good leadership. Ukraine fighting with soldiers protecting their civilians from genocide is irresponsible leadership. Whoever said that GH was poisoned by Russian propaganda is clearly a rightwing plant and should be shit on by everyone on the thread., he is a sensible socialist just looking out for the oppressed.....

On May 18 2025 18:16 hitthat wrote:
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Ukraine and I am pretty torned about the palestinian crisis, because both sides do not accept two-states solutions and thus dont get my sympathies.

Also, Russia comming or not to the table is irrelevant. Putin is a liar. A heavy one. It makes no difference if he negiotiate or not, and if some western guys are still shocked after 3 years of lessons, that means that either they play being dumb or they deserve to be riddiculed for calling Zelensky or eastern european states "politicaly naive".

BTW even Vance didn't infuriated me as much as Rubio did today. If you don't want to help, just tell it openly, and not lie that you "must determin if they play the wait game". Right now, you play the wait game.

On May 18 2025 19:51 Excludos wrote:


Kinda weird pool. Why do you have to support either Israel or Palestine? That's not a situation that is binary black and white, evil vs good, such as Russia and Ukraine.

On May 18 2025 21:50 Yurie wrote:


The choices are simple depending on what reason you use to support the stance.

If you are against expansionist wars you are pro Ukraine and Palestine.

If you are against slow genocide you are against Russia and Israel.

If you are against the initial aggressor in a conflict or their political leadership then you are against Russia and the other choice gets messy.

On May 18 2025 22:02 Excludos wrote:


Why do you have to be either on the extreme end? Is this what the internet is doing to people? Nuance is dead, you have to chose genoice or expansionism? Come the fuck on

Palestine and Hamas have made Israel's lives a misery for a very long time, and at no point should anyone suggest that a country should just sit back "and take it" when it comes to terrorism. At the same time, Israel's hands aren't clean either, using settlements to grab land and escalating conflict. And at the center of it all Iran, supporting terrorism and wanting Israel off the map. It's an extremely complex situation, and anyone pretending like it's black and white easy morally correct "support one or the other" is in my opinion a grand a moron, or arguing in bad faith.

On May 18 2025 20:37 WombaT wrote:

Has GH ever expressed those kind of Pro-Hamas sentiments though?

I think he’s massively off-base on Russia/Ukraine but I don’t recall him doing that.



Yeah agreed. I don’t expect much from Vance, Rubio I mean I’m not going to politically align, but I expected a bit more statecraft.

On May 18 2025 23:10 Billyboy wrote:

How many times have GH wrote that by simply voting democrat you are "complicit in genocide", like how did you miss this? It would be logical then that he would be against the country who has done shit like stolen a bunch of children to made Russian. I some how missed all the posts about capitulating to greater powers.

The reality is GH's entire world outlook boils down to anti US. Whoever is an ally of the US is bad and whoever is against the US is good. All the socialism/capitalism talk is window dressing. I'm actually confused to why this is even at all controversial. Russia is the biggest, most powerful rightwing dictatorship in the world, but that doesn't matter as long as they are against the US.

Everyone needs to stop pretending that GH is not the left version of Zeo.

On May 18 2025 22:17 Yurie wrote:


I used the stances I care the most about. Any situation is complex. You could be pro Russia depending on what things you value the most. If you are more in favor of might makes right, great powers are great and we should have competing blocks since that forces stability. Or that you want one global government and countries expanding is how you envision that happening.

I was not against Israel retaliating in 2023. Even early 2024 that was valid. We are now in 2025 and most of the actions they are taking are no longer defensible in my eyes. Right now at this moment Israel is the worst actor by far in that conflict.

On May 18 2025 23:10 Billyboy wrote:

How many times have GH wrote that by simply voting democrat you are "complicit in genocide", like how did you miss this? It would be logical then that he would be against the country who has done shit like stolen a bunch of children to made Russian. I some how missed all the posts about capitulating to greater powers.

The reality is GH's entire world outlook boils down to anti US. Whoever is an ally of the US is bad and whoever is against the US is good. All the socialism/capitalism talk is window dressing. I'm actually confused to why this is even at all controversial. Russia is the biggest, most powerful rightwing dictatorship in the world, but that doesn't matter as long as they are against the US.

Everyone needs to stop pretending that GH is not the left version of Zeo.

On May 18 2025 23:18 Yurie wrote:


I would argue China is the most powerful right wing dictatorship in the world now a days. They used to be left wing but have switched to right wing, same journey as Russia. Leaving Russia with the biggest, since there can't really be much competition as they are the biggest country.

As for the overall point. I would agree GH is more anti USA than he is anything else. But he is also anti capitalism when the first priority isn't relevant.