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Gorsameth

Netherlands21532 Posts

18 hours ago

#16221

On May 18 2025 01:20 GreenHorizons wrote:

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Russia will actually control more of the land and would demand even more is one obvious way

again, Russia's offer currently on the table is 'we get to genocide all of you in a few years on round 2'. Them holding more land doesn't change anything.

GreenHorizons

United States22994 Posts

18 hours ago

#16222

On May 18 2025 02:00 Falling wrote:
That will still happen even if Ukraine capitulated to Russia's 'offer'. That was the condition for a ceasefire, not a peace agreement.

So Ukraine withdraws, Russia agrees to a ceasefire, then breaks the ceasefire before we even get to peace negotiations because that's all they've ever done and the war continues but Russia gets to advance past Ukrainian's current defensive positions for free.

Look how many lives we have saved! We are the true humanitarians by appeasing conquering tyrants.

I can at least see how Russia breaking an ostensible "deal Trump negotiated" could prompt renewed vigor in Western opposition to Putin/support of Ukraine, particularly for Trump.

One of Ukraine's few hopes is getting Russia to agree to something Trump takes ownership of so that a breach of it is considered an affront to Trump himself. Though, I wouldn't be surprised to find ourselves at another extreme, trying to prevent Trump and Putin getting in a pissing contest that leads to nuclear annihilation.

Falling

Canada11326 Posts

17 hours ago

#16223

Honestly, if Trump (who comes to the aid of the destitute, who performs pious acts, the perfect hero and mighty man) is too stupid to realize that Russia is the reason Russia is in Ukraine and Ukraine didn't start the war, I don't see why Ukraine handing over more land only for Russia to break the deal will get any other response than "Ukraine is the one being difficult here. Zelensky has no cards. This is all Biden's fault. Too bad they stole the election from me because if I was in charge this never would have happened, everyone is saying it. Hunter-Biden laptop. Rigged elections. Lock her up. They're turning the frickin frogs gay"

... oh wait, that last one was Alex Jones.

Russia is not coming to the table. Nothing they are doing shows any serious indication that they are willing to negotiate. You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth. Stab his eyes, shoot his head but there's no talk when a tyrannical regime is still bent on conquest.

CuddlyCuteKitten

Sweden2580 Posts

14 hours ago

#16224

You need to understand that in GHs world Russia is doing great and there is no real cost to this war. Their military industrial complex is doing great, the economy is fine and manpower is unlimited. There are no real problems or trade offs for keeping this up forever, and Russia is significantly more powerful than Ukraine.

From that perspective taking any kind of deal is the only logical choice for Ukraine.

Gorsameth

Netherlands21532 Posts

13 hours ago

#16225

On May 18 2025 06:57 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
You need to understand that in GHs world Russia is doing great and there is no real cost to this war. Their military industrial complex is doing great, the economy is fine and manpower is unlimited. There are no real problems or trade offs for keeping this up forever, and Russia is significantly more powerful than Ukraine.

From that perspective taking any kind of deal is the only logical choice for Ukraine.

When the deal is "we get to genocide you" the only logical answer is no. No matter the situation.

Billyboy

701 Posts

12 hours ago

#16226

But Hamas entering Israel and killing >1000 civilians taking hostages and getting all their citizens bombed is good leadership. Ukraine fighting with soldiers protecting their civilians from genocide is irresponsible leadership. Whoever said that GH was poisoned by Russian propaganda is clearly a rightwing plant and should be shit on by everyone on the thread., he is a sensible socialist just looking out for the oppressed.....

Andre

Slovenia3517 Posts

3 hours ago

#16227

Poll: Who do you support?

(Vote): Ukraine & Israel
(Vote): Ukraine & Palestine
(Vote): Russia & Israel
(Vote): Russia & Palestine

hitthat

Poland2261 Posts

3 hours ago

#16228

^
Ukraine and I am pretty torned about the palestinian crisis, because both sides do not accept two-states solutions and thus dont get my sympathies.

Also, Russia comming or not to the table is irrelevant. Putin is a liar. A heavy one. It makes no difference if he negiotiate or not, and if some western guys are still shocked after 3 years of lessons, that means that either they play being dumb or they deserve to be riddiculed for calling Zelensky or eastern european states "politicaly naive".

BTW even Vance didn't infuriated me as much as Rubio did today. If you don't want to help, just tell it openly, and not lie that you "must determin if they play the wait game". Right now, you play the wait game.

Excludos

Norway8003 Posts

1 hour ago

#16229

On May 18 2025 17:58 Andre wrote:

Poll: Who do you support?

(Vote): Ukraine & Israel
(Vote): Ukraine & Palestine
(Vote): Russia & Israel
(Vote): Russia & Palestine

Kinda weird pool. Why do you have to support either Israel or Palestine? That's not a situation that is binary black and white, evil vs good, such as Russia and Ukraine.

Simberto

Germany11407 Posts

1 hour ago

#16230

Ukraine

And i have decided to not engage with the whole Israel-Palestine situation a few years back.

It is utterly depressing, no one involved and in power is acting in a way that will make stuff better, and it just keeps on going. There seems to be no interest in finding a solution that both sides can be fine with, by any of the sides involved. Since i cannot influence it in any way, it does not help to get ever more depressed about it.

WombaT

Northern Ireland24451 Posts

50 minutes ago

#16231

On May 18 2025 08:36 Billyboy wrote:

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Has GH ever expressed those kind of Pro-Hamas sentiments though?

I think he’s massively off-base on Russia/Ukraine but I don’t recall him doing that.

On May 18 2025 18:16 hitthat wrote:
^
Ukraine and I am pretty torned about the palestinian crisis, because both sides do not accept two-states solutions and thus dont get my sympathies.

Also, Russia comming or not to the table is irrelevant. Putin is a liar. A heavy one. It makes no difference if he negiotiate or not, and if some western guys are still shocked after 3 years of lessons, that means that either they play being dumb or they deserve to be riddiculed for calling Zelensky or eastern european states "politicaly naive".

BTW even Vance didn't infuriated me as much as Rubio did today. If you don't want to help, just tell it openly, and not lie that you "must determin if they play the wait game". Right now, you play the wait game.

Yeah agreed. I don’t expect much from Vance, Rubio I mean I’m not going to politically align, but I expected a bit more statecraft.