EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 617
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On October 30 2023 12:08 gobbledydook wrote: I'm not sure that this changes the overall political calculus. Well all those idiots got arrested. Doesnt matter if they were led on by fake Telegram psy-ops channels you should not be going to airports to harass people because they are citizens of another country Some of the rumours appear to have been fomented by a Telegram channel called Morning Dagestan, which has more than 50,000 readers. The channel has been affiliated with Ilya Ponomarev, a Kyiv-based former Russian politician who opposes the Kremlin and claims to co-ordinate a group of Russians fighting against Moscow in Ukraine, members of which have been known to hold extreme far-right views. Ponomarev stated on Sunday that he had not controlled the channel for more than a year. Financial Times This kind of rumor spreading is the worst. We had a school shooting in Serbia earlier in the year, tragic event. And during the day half the people in my office got a chain-message talking about how one of the main hospitals in Belgrade didnt have enough O+ blood for one wounded girl. Im O+ and Im thinking maybe I can help, but then I think Im 45min away from there someone will get there before me how the hell doesnt that hospital have type O+ blood, O+ is not that uncommon. Turns out a lot of people went to that hospital based off those messages and created chaos, blocking emergency services and everything for quite a while. Obviously a piece of shit spread the rumor knowing what would happen. | ||
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Ghostcom
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pmp10
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time.com One new insight of note: Some front-line commanders, he continues, have begun refusing orders to advance, even when they came directly from the office of the President. “They just want to sit in the trenches and hold the line,” he says. “But we can’t win a war that way.” | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On October 31 2023 03:56 pmp10 wrote: Interesting (if predictably dooming) TIME piece on Zelensky and the war. time.com One new insight of note: Difficult to say if the commanders are doing so based on better information than Zelensky has or other reasons. We know that since the counteroffensive began, there's been some gains of ground, so advancing is incredibly difficult. If the decision is to preserve Ukranian lives, that's understandable. Overall, the Russian defensive lines have held pretty well. Similarly, where Russia's attacked near Bahkmut, it also seems to be largely a standstill. Minefields are incredibly difficult to advance through in the best of circumstances, and Ukraine seems to still be fairly far away from being able to achieve enough fire superiority to advance through minefields in an expedient manner. There's a need to be able to clear hundreds of meters of minefield in one go, with multiple lanes of advancement. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On October 31 2023 03:56 pmp10 wrote: Interesting (if predictably dooming) TIME piece on Zelensky and the war. time.com One new insight of note: A very interesting article, this part really caught me offguard: When I raised these claims with a senior military officer, he said that some commanders have little choice in second-guessing orders from the top. At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to “retake” the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? “They don’t have the men or the weapons,” says the officer. “Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?” That cant have been a real demand? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
MOSCOW, Nov 2 (Reuters) - A top ally of President Vladimir Putin warned Poland on Thursday that the NATO member state was now considered a "dangerous enemy" by Russia and could end up losing its statehood if it continued on its current course. Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, now deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, made the comments in an 8,000-word article on Russian-Polish relations, saying Moscow now had a "dangerous enemy" in Poland. "We will treat it (Poland) precisely as a historical enemy," Medvedev said. "If there is no hope for reconciliation with the enemy, Russia should have only one and a very tough attitude regarding its fate." "History has more than once delivered a merciless verdict to the presumptuous Poles: no matter how ambitious the revanchist plans may be, their collapse could lead to the death of Polish statehood in its entirety." There was no immediate response to his comments from Poland. The war in Ukraine has sent already tense relations between Warsaw and Moscow to new lows. Poland, which has backed Ukraine, accuses Russia of trying to destabilise the country with disinformation campaigns and espionage. Moscow has condemned what it sees as Warsaw's hostile stance towards it and Russian interests in Poland. Medvedev, who cast himself as a liberal moderniser when he was president from 2008-2012, now casts himself as a fiercely anti-Western Kremlin hawk, often lashing out at the West with insults. Diplomats say his views give an indication of thinking at the top levels of the Kremlin elite. Source | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7207 Posts
On November 03 2023 18:47 Gorsameth wrote: Russia is free to find out what happens when NATO directly enters the war The way the war is going, there is no need for NATO. Poland alone would raze Russia to the ground | ||
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Simberto
Germany11839 Posts
On November 03 2023 10:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Medvedev has warned Poland that Russia now considers them a state enemy and that they could lose their "statehood" if they continue to aid Ukraine. Source Isn't that an upgrade? Didn't Russia previously view Poland as basically a victim/something that they should own? Being an enemy is better, i think. It at least means that you are taken serious. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
Ukraine’s commander-in-chief on the breakthrough he needs to beat Russia General Valery Zaluzhny admits the war is at a stalemate An army of Ukraine’s standard ought to have been able to move at a speed of 30km a day as it breached Russian lines. “If you look at NATO’s text books and at the maths which we did, four months should have been enough time for us to have reached Crimea, to have fought in Crimea, to return from Crimea and to have gone back in and out again,” General Zaluzhny says sardonically. Instead he watched his troops get stuck in minefields on the approaches to Bakhmut in the east, his Western-supplied equipment getting pummelled by Russian artillery and drones. The same story unfolded on the offensive’s main thrust in the south, where inexperienced brigades immediately ran into trouble. “First I thought there was something wrong with our commanders, so I changed some of them. Then I thought maybe our soldiers are not fit for purpose, so I moved soldiers in some brigades,” says General Zaluzhny. When those changes failed to make a difference, the general told his staff to dig out a book he once saw as a student. Its title was “Breaching Fortified Defence Lines”. It was published in 1941 by a Soviet major-general, P.S. Smirnov, who analysed the battles of the first world war. “And before I got even halfway through it, I realised that is exactly where we are because just like then, the level of our technological development today has put both us and our enemies in a stupor.” economist Obviously, there is a lot of cope and blame shifting in the article but comming from the highest levels there is a lot to be read between the lines about why it turned into the disaster it did. The reaction to this article has been... Interesting to put it mildly. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9538 Posts
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
How long can Russia keep this stalemate going at current equipment attrition levels? | ||
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
On November 03 2023 23:14 Gorsameth wrote: Its a stalemate now. How long can Russia keep this stalemate going at current equipment attrition levels? Perun did a good video on that question with a number of models. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On November 03 2023 23:14 Gorsameth wrote: Its a stalemate now. How long can Russia keep this stalemate going at current equipment attrition levels? Longer than Ukraine without the US dumping money and weapons on them. | ||
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JimmiC
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