Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 249

On April 03 2024 07:13 Nebuchad wrote:
From what I read Israel admits that the strike was intentional. "Israeli defence sources told Haaretz that the aid workers’ vehicles had been hit three times by missiles fired from a drone because of erroneous suspicions that a terrorist was travelling with the convoy."

That's in The Guardian.

On April 03 2024 07:21 Gorsameth wrote:
Which shows a problem with Israelis operational parameters.

"there is a suspected terrorist amid this aid convey, better bomb it. Screw all the aid workers we will kill along the way, got to get 1 random Hamas fighter".

On April 03 2024 07:35 BlackJack wrote:


Perhaps the 1 Hamas fighter and the fear they were able to send to any other aid worker trying to prevent mass starvation are on the same side of the scale when they weighed that decision

On April 03 2024 07:31 JimmiC wrote:
You think they would waste that kind of payload on one random Hamas fighter? Come on.

I’ll wait to see it on another source, but if it comes out that those aid vehicles have been transporting Hamas leadership or something then all the sudden the blame mostly flips to Hamas.

If Gorsameth is right and they did it on a whim for one gunman of course not.

That they intentionally targeted those vehicles is not in question they have precision weapons and it’s been confirmed it was theirs. The intention I’m talking about is the aid workers or aid.

On April 03 2024 07:31 JimmiC wrote:
You think they would waste that kind of payload on one random Hamas fighter? Come on.

I’ll wait to see it on another source, but if it comes out that those aid vehicles have been transporting Hamas leadership or something then all the sudden the blame mostly flips to Hamas.

If Gorsameth is right and they did it on a whim for one gunman of course not.

That they intentionally targeted those vehicles is not in question they have precision weapons and it’s been confirmed it was theirs. The intention I’m talking about is the aid workers or aid.

On April 03 2024 06:31 JimmiC wrote:

Should it have been? Not everyone oitside of this thread is against the destruction of Hamas, 20x people died in Syria at least half who were civilians. How many of those were civilians in the quest to destroy ISIS? Many people put the civillian deaths on Hamas as much or more than the IDF gicen their tactics.

Many of the most terrible scenes before this ended up being Hamas (the rocket that hit the hospital, the gunman at the aid station, the other big aid disaster was trampling).

This type of thing that was clear Israeli strike of a properly desognated and labled aid convoy is the type of thing that actually ends shipments.

In Israel people are storming Netanyahus residence, now that is more about the hostages not coming home than it is aid workers or civilians.

I do not think the US and others position is unreasonable with a long leash. They have a long relationship and that Israel is up against many states (Iran, Hezzbola, hamas, and others) that are open that their goal is the destruction of Israel. The last weeks /months the rhetoric has been changing from "we support Israel and they have the right todefend themselves" to "we support Israel" to "we support Israel but we dont agree with them". And that matters, as Israelis dont want to lose US support, the daily missile warning bells make that clear.

This was a massive, clear and awful public fuck up. It is forsure going to push the needle further. Whether that means full stop on arms trade, no mpre Rafah offensive, or something else Im not sure but Id be shocked if something major didnt change or shift.

On April 03 2024 07:42 Broetchenholer wrote:


what the fuck are you talking about? are you nie arguing the deliberate bombing of civiluan aid workers, or any aid workers is okay just because a target is among them? shpuld the Also bomb canadian cities to kill target? Do you have any Moral compass left in you?

On April 03 2024 21:25 JimmiC wrote:

I’m not sure what you are going for here but you can’t call Racism from just hearing Canadian, maybe nationalism. I’m not sure you have a good grasp of our racial make up here. Perhaps that is from growing up in Switzerland or whatever.

Two sources said that during the early weeks of the war they were permitted to kill 15 or 20 civilians during airstrikes on low-ranking militants. Attacks on such targets were typically carried out using unguided munitions known as “dumb bombs”, the sources said, destroying entire homes and killing all their occupants.

“You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people – it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs],” one intelligence officer said. Another said the principal question they were faced with was whether the “collateral damage” to civilians allowed for an attack.

“Because we usually carried out the attacks with dumb bombs, and that meant literally dropping the whole house on its occupants. But even if an attack is averted, you don’t care – you immediately move on to the next target. Because of the system, the targets never end. You have another 36,000 waiting.”

According to conflict experts, if Israel has been using dumb bombs to flatten the homes of thousands of Palestinians who were linked, with the assistance of AI, to militant groups in Gaza, that could help explain the shockingly high death toll in the war.