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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-01 18:21:40
January 01 2024 18:13 GMT
#3521
Israel has announced it is moving out some of its forces from Gaza, more than likely just maneuverings. Basically setting up for occupation, and eventual annexation.

TEL AVIV—Israel began preparations for prolonged fighting in the Gaza Strip, reshuffling forces as it weighs how to sustain lower-intensity fighting over the long term and Israel’s top general said that it would take at least several more months to destroy Hamas’s military capabilities in the enclave.

On Monday, Israel said it would adjust its ground-force composition in Gaza, with plans to rotate five brigades—estimated to be thousands of troops—out of the Gaza Strip this week, some of which might be replaced. The military has also recalibrated the types of troops required, now relying more heavily on commando and combat-engineering forces, as Israel increasingly tries to penetrate subterranean tunnel infrastructure and hunt down senior Hamas leadership.

“These adaptations are designed to ensure planning and preparation for 2024,” Daniel Hagari, the Israeli military’s chief spokesperson, said Sunday night. “The war’s goals require prolonged fighting, and we are preparing accordingly.”

The prospect of prolonged fighting in Gaza comes amid friction between Israel and the U.S., its main ally, which has been pushing the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to begin winding down a war that has devastated the enclave and killed thousands.

On Sunday, the United Nations said 40% of the Gaza population is at risk of famine and all children under five—or a total of about 335,000—are at high risk of severe malnutrition. The war has displaced 85% of the population and pushed almost all Gazans into poverty, according to the U.N., amid a daily struggle to find food and avoid Israeli airstrikes.

While some Western officials and analysts have questioned whether Israel can succeed in its goal of eradicating Hamas, the new military plans reflect the country’s determination to continue to pursue that goal.

The war in Gaza has sparked tensions elsewhere in the Middle East and has raised the risk of a broader confrontation between Iran, which has backed Hamas in its goal of destroying Israel, and the U.S., which has moved aircraft carriers and other military support to the area to deter Iran and its allies from attacking Israel.

Over the weekend, U.S. Navy helicopters sank three boats piloted by Houthi fighters, a Yemeni group backed by Iran, after those boats threatened a commercial vessel in the Red Sea. There have been more than 20 Houthi attacks on commercial vessels since November.

The USS Gerald R. Ford carrier strike group will be leaving the region in the coming days, defense officials said. A second carrier, the Dwight D. Eisenhower, will continue operating in the Red Sea. Since the Oct. 7 start of the war, the U.S. also has deployed additional destroyers and amphibious assault ships throughout the region.

Tasnim, an Iranian semiofficial news agency close to the country’s security establishment, said Monday that an Iranian destroyer has been moved to the Red Sea near the Bab el-Mandeb strait, a key crossing between the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea.

The clash between the Houthis and the U.S. Navy—the first involving close combat between U.S. forces and the militants—poses the question of whether the Biden administration should retaliate against the militants to deter further such aggression.

Israel launched what has become one of its most costly recent conflicts after Hamas—a group designated by the U.S. as a terror organization—attacked southern Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and kidnapping more than 240.

According to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, more than 22,000 people, mostly women and children, have been killed in Gaza since the war broke out. The figures don’t distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths.

Shahd Swairki, 35, who fled her home in Gaza City in the north to Rafah, a town on the border with Egypt, said that food is available in the south, but at very high prices. She is crowded with her extended family in a rented apartment. Many other displaced families are in tents. The lack of cooking gas has forced people to burn wood, or even garbage, to cook.

“People here live amid garbage, all of us are sick, the smoke from the fires we burn makes us feel more sick,” said Swairki. “The situation is just getting worse.”

Even as Israel announced the changes to its deployment, analysts say any shift to lower-intensity fighting is possible only as Israel establishes operational control over an area, meaning its forces can maneuver freely in the zone.

Nearly three months into Israel’s war against Hamas and other militants in the Gaza Strip, Israel says it has broken the main command-and-control lines in the enclave’s north and weakened them in the south, but small groups of Hamas fighters continue to ambush Israeli forces and fire rockets toward Israel from across the Strip.

On Monday morning, Hamas showed it has retained long-range rocket capabilities by launching an intense barrage at Tel Aviv at the stroke of midnight.

Swapping out forces who have been serving for long periods in Gaza is important to refresh weary troops. But it also indicates that the Israeli military believes it has sufficient forces to fight in Khan Younis—a town in the south that Israel believes harbors Hamas commanders—and Rafah, should ground forces expand further south, said Eyal Pinko, a former security services officer.

Moreover, demobilizing a portion of the more than 300,000 reservists called up for duty since Oct. 7 will ease pressure on Israel’s workforce and its economy. Since the start of the invasion of Gaza, 172 Israeli soldiers have died and more than 900 have been wounded.

Two of the five brigades set to rotate out of Gaza are reservists, some of whom the military said will be demobilized. The remaining three are training brigades, which can be quickly redeployed into battle at need.

Meanwhile, clashes continue across Gaza. In Gaza City’s Shujaiyeh neighborhood, the Israel military said on Monday that its forces raided a command compound used by Hamas and allied group Palestinian Islamic Jihad. In central Gaza, Israel said it killed a mid-ranking officer commanding Hamas’s elite Nukhba fighting force in Deir al-Balah.

In addition to operating in Khan Younis, Israeli forces are also on the ground in Khirbat Ikhza’a, a border town that the military said was one of the launch points for Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack.

The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees said Friday that humanitarian aid deliveries to Gaza are “limited in quantities and riddled with logistical hurdles,” saying Israeli restrictions and airstrikes on the border areas are constraining the flow of aid. The U.N. also said a breakdown in law and order and looting by desperate Gazans was also making it hard to secure convoys.

“There is a countdown to avert famine,” said Juliette Touma, a spokeswoman for the agency. “Much more food needs to get in.”

The Israeli military said it works to facilitate aid into Gaza and blamed logistical bottlenecks created by the U.N. for the delays.

The World Health Organization said that crowded and unsanitary conditions are causing hundreds of thousands of cases of infectious diseases and stomach ailments. Most of Gaza’s hospitals are no longer functioning and those still able to take patients have limited treatment available.


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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 01 2024 20:53 GMT
#3522
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 01 2024 21:25 GMT
#3523
Yesterday, Hamas forwarded to Israel through the Qatari and Egyptian mediators a new proposal for an agreement to release hostages, which includes a demand for the withdrawal of IDF forces from Gaza as soon as the implementation of the first phase of the agreement begins and additional conditions. An Israeli senior official said that Israel rejected the proposal.


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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17183 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-01 23:09:38
January 01 2024 23:03 GMT
#3524
On January 02 2024 05:53 JimmiC wrote:
Big loss in the courts for Netanyahu and his government. I’m surprised as sometimes during a war even courts will aim for unity. I’m very happy about it though as it was legislation that eroded checks and balances. A good day for democracy.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/israeli-court-overturns-netanyahu-overhaul-threatening-to-reopen-fissures-preceding-war-against-hamas-1.6706834

both sides claim they are trying to "support democracy". emigration from israel was eroding Netanyahu's power before the war. it was up somewhat.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66474153

i do not necessarily believe polls and every word of this article. everyone was supposedly "moving to canada" when Trump got elected and that did not happen.

However, the over all message of the article is probably congruent with the reality of the situation. Netanyahu needs to keep the people happy or they will find a way out of the country.

Don't worry man. No matter what Netanyahu does "democracy is safe". LOL
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22048 Posts
January 01 2024 23:11 GMT
#3525
The judiciary testing the legality of what the legislative is doing is kind of a big part of the separation of power thing, which is important to keep a functional democracy.
Unless there is something big that the article is missing it seems rather cut and dry who isn't supporting democracy.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17183 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-01 23:34:48
January 01 2024 23:32 GMT
#3526
On January 02 2024 08:11 Gorsameth wrote:
The judiciary testing the legality of what the legislative is doing is kind of a big part of the separation of power thing, which is important to keep a functional democracy.
Unless there is something big that the article is missing it seems rather cut and dry who isn't supporting democracy.

the claim by the other side is that appointed non-elected judges shouldn't be fucking around with the moves of democratically elected parliament members.
so it is not "cut and dry". you'd need to dig deeper into the minutiae of how judges get appointed and what legislation they can and can not impact.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-02 00:31:21
January 02 2024 00:30 GMT
#3527
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22048 Posts
January 02 2024 10:10 GMT
#3528
On January 02 2024 08:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2024 08:11 Gorsameth wrote:
The judiciary testing the legality of what the legislative is doing is kind of a big part of the separation of power thing, which is important to keep a functional democracy.
Unless there is something big that the article is missing it seems rather cut and dry who isn't supporting democracy.

the claim by the other side is that appointed non-elected judges shouldn't be fucking around with the moves of democratically elected parliament members.
so it is not "cut and dry". you'd need to dig deeper into the minutiae of how judges get appointed and what legislation they can and can not impact.
non-elected judges fucking around when politicians propose legislation that doesn't fall within the constitution or existing laws is what they do in every democracy that I know off.

Your going to need a better argument why it is a good thing for Israel.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-02 17:37:42
January 02 2024 17:29 GMT
#3529
Israel has killed Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon via drone strike.

BEIRUT, Jan 2 (Reuters) - Senior Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri was killed on Tuesday night in an Israeli drone strike on Beirut's southern suburbs of Dahiyeh, three security sources told Reuters.

In response to questions from Reuters, the Israeli military said it does not respond to reports in the foreign media. Arouri was a senior official in Hamas's politburo but was known to be deeply involved in its military affairs.


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Cerebrate1
Profile Joined October 2023
265 Posts
January 03 2024 07:29 GMT
#3530
Iran sends a destroyer to the Red Sea after the international coalition guarding trade there destroyed 3 Houthi attack boats.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25218003/iranian-destroyer-red-sea-houthi-us/
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
January 03 2024 09:05 GMT
#3531
On January 02 2024 19:10 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2024 08:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 02 2024 08:11 Gorsameth wrote:
The judiciary testing the legality of what the legislative is doing is kind of a big part of the separation of power thing, which is important to keep a functional democracy.
Unless there is something big that the article is missing it seems rather cut and dry who isn't supporting democracy.

the claim by the other side is that appointed non-elected judges shouldn't be fucking around with the moves of democratically elected parliament members.
so it is not "cut and dry". you'd need to dig deeper into the minutiae of how judges get appointed and what legislation they can and can not impact.
non-elected judges fucking around when politicians propose legislation that doesn't fall within the constitution or existing laws is what they do in every democracy that I know off.

Your going to need a better argument why it is a good thing for Israel.

My understanding is that Israel's lack of a written constitution and the "reasonableness" standard means that judges can strike down laws and say "reasonableness" when that is obviously subjective, and the political right felt that this was being abused by judges repeatedly to hand the political left a way to avoid political defeats that it did not avoid via elections.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3380 Posts
January 03 2024 09:40 GMT
#3532
Israeli officials are in talks with Congo to take in the Palestinians.
Likely a hard-liners dream, but mentioned occupation of 60% of Gazan agriculture may very well come true.
I wonder how do you police a ghetto of 2 milion people from the outside?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18186 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-03 10:13:48
January 03 2024 10:12 GMT
#3533
On January 03 2024 18:05 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2024 19:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 02 2024 08:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 02 2024 08:11 Gorsameth wrote:
The judiciary testing the legality of what the legislative is doing is kind of a big part of the separation of power thing, which is important to keep a functional democracy.
Unless there is something big that the article is missing it seems rather cut and dry who isn't supporting democracy.

the claim by the other side is that appointed non-elected judges shouldn't be fucking around with the moves of democratically elected parliament members.
so it is not "cut and dry". you'd need to dig deeper into the minutiae of how judges get appointed and what legislation they can and can not impact.
non-elected judges fucking around when politicians propose legislation that doesn't fall within the constitution or existing laws is what they do in every democracy that I know off.

Your going to need a better argument why it is a good thing for Israel.

My understanding is that Israel's lack of a written constitution and the "reasonableness" standard means that judges can strike down laws and say "reasonableness" when that is obviously subjective, and the political right felt that this was being abused by judges repeatedly to hand the political left a way to avoid political defeats that it did not avoid via elections.


I haven't read too much into it, but knowing that it's an essential part of reforms for Bibi to give himself immunity from a whole bunch of corruption cases, I am logically opposed on that ground alone, even if I would otherwise agree the change is "reasonable".

Basically, the law isn't being proposed because it's the best for the country, but because it's the best for Bibi. And that is a really bad reason for a law to exist.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-03 22:21:02
January 03 2024 22:20 GMT
#3534
Another airstrike in Lebanon, this time it appears the IDF has taken out a Senior Hezbollah Official.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
January 04 2024 16:40 GMT
#3535
On January 03 2024 19:12 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2024 18:05 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On January 02 2024 19:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 02 2024 08:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 02 2024 08:11 Gorsameth wrote:
The judiciary testing the legality of what the legislative is doing is kind of a big part of the separation of power thing, which is important to keep a functional democracy.
Unless there is something big that the article is missing it seems rather cut and dry who isn't supporting democracy.

the claim by the other side is that appointed non-elected judges shouldn't be fucking around with the moves of democratically elected parliament members.
so it is not "cut and dry". you'd need to dig deeper into the minutiae of how judges get appointed and what legislation they can and can not impact.
non-elected judges fucking around when politicians propose legislation that doesn't fall within the constitution or existing laws is what they do in every democracy that I know off.

Your going to need a better argument why it is a good thing for Israel.

My understanding is that Israel's lack of a written constitution and the "reasonableness" standard means that judges can strike down laws and say "reasonableness" when that is obviously subjective, and the political right felt that this was being abused by judges repeatedly to hand the political left a way to avoid political defeats that it did not avoid via elections.


I haven't read too much into it, but knowing that it's an essential part of reforms for Bibi to give himself immunity from a whole bunch of corruption cases, I am logically opposed on that ground alone, even if I would otherwise agree the change is "reasonable".

Basically, the law isn't being proposed because it's the best for the country, but because it's the best for Bibi. And that is a really bad reason for a law to exist.

They're two different laws. One that limits the powers of the court and the other providing immunity for Netanyahu. The Supreme Court struck both down.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18186 Posts
January 04 2024 20:57 GMT
#3536
On January 05 2024 01:40 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2024 19:12 Acrofales wrote:
On January 03 2024 18:05 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On January 02 2024 19:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 02 2024 08:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 02 2024 08:11 Gorsameth wrote:
The judiciary testing the legality of what the legislative is doing is kind of a big part of the separation of power thing, which is important to keep a functional democracy.
Unless there is something big that the article is missing it seems rather cut and dry who isn't supporting democracy.

the claim by the other side is that appointed non-elected judges shouldn't be fucking around with the moves of democratically elected parliament members.
so it is not "cut and dry". you'd need to dig deeper into the minutiae of how judges get appointed and what legislation they can and can not impact.
non-elected judges fucking around when politicians propose legislation that doesn't fall within the constitution or existing laws is what they do in every democracy that I know off.

Your going to need a better argument why it is a good thing for Israel.

My understanding is that Israel's lack of a written constitution and the "reasonableness" standard means that judges can strike down laws and say "reasonableness" when that is obviously subjective, and the political right felt that this was being abused by judges repeatedly to hand the political left a way to avoid political defeats that it did not avoid via elections.


I haven't read too much into it, but knowing that it's an essential part of reforms for Bibi to give himself immunity from a whole bunch of corruption cases, I am logically opposed on that ground alone, even if I would otherwise agree the change is "reasonable".

Basically, the law isn't being proposed because it's the best for the country, but because it's the best for Bibi. And that is a really bad reason for a law to exist.

They're two different laws. One that limits the powers of the court and the other providing immunity for Netanyahu. The Supreme Court struck both down.

Ah, I thought the immunity got struck down, so he needed to clip the court's wings to retry, but they seem unrelated. Reading a bit more about it, it still seems like a terrible idea. Mostly because it seems Israel has almost no checks and balances built into its government. There is no constitution, no senate, no direct elections of the executive branch. The only check on a majority in the Knesset doing whatever the heck they please is the judicial being able to test for reasonableness. Removing that seems like an exceptionally bad idea.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22048 Posts
January 04 2024 21:29 GMT
#3537
yeah a government consisting of only a single branch with absolute power seems like a great way to end democracy in 1 easy step.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-05 19:31:02
January 05 2024 19:29 GMT
#3538
So is seems that famine has started. Israel might be the big fish in the Middle East but not even they would try and stop France.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Cerebrate1
Profile Joined October 2023
265 Posts
January 06 2024 23:56 GMT
#3539
Honestly Israel probably prefers air drops of aid to trucks. There is more chance it actually gets to civilians rather than Hamas.

I mean, Hamas probably will get the lion's share anyways because they have guns, but the randomized locations gives the locals a chance at some of it before the gunmen arrive.

The only reason Israel might be concerned is if no one is checking the aid first. Somehow they keep finding military supplies mixed in with the aid coming from certain other countries.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4376 Posts
January 07 2024 04:41 GMT
#3540
On January 03 2024 18:40 pmp10 wrote:
Israeli officials are in talks with Congo to take in the Palestinians.
Likely a hard-liners dream, but mentioned occupation of 60% of Gazan agriculture may very well come true.
I wonder how do you police a ghetto of 2 milion people from the outside?

Kinda hard to see Palestinians assimilating into Congolese society too well.Being a different race and not speaking the language in a place like that, Don't see it working out.

Just a case of the Congo wanting some cash and Israel wanting these people out pronto so they can settle the land.

Yerushalmi quotes Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel saying at the Knesset yesterday: “At the end of the war Hamas rule will collapse, there are no municipal authorities, the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”

Also should note the vast majority of the 2 million affected are innocent civilians.Obviously Israels actions against them may cause them to become radicalised and anti-semitic (or moreso).Jews living overseas in countries these folks are forcefully relocated to should take note.
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