EPTNot even a single one.
Ok, we're done then. You won't hear a single response from me ever again.
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 175
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Magic Powers
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Not even a single one. Ok, we're done then. You won't hear a single response from me ever again. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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On December 31 2023 01:26 Magic Powers wrote: "None of your points are as personally awful." Not even a single one. Ok, we're done then. You won't hear a single response from me ever again. your stance is not totally crazy. the problem is unsolvable. there are deep thinkers and scholars with mountains of evidence claiming Jews have no claim to any land now occupied by Israel. OTOH, there is another army of scholars and deep thinkers who claim Jews have the right to all the lands now occupied by Israel. There is another camp of scholars who think Jews have claims to some of the land. etc etc etc. These conflicts have been going on forever and will continue forever. The smartest long term and most practical plan for anyone in and around Israel is to leave. This is why Israeli emigration stats are such a point of contention. No one wants to admit when large #s of hard working, competent ambitious Israelis decide to "abandon the homeland". Of course, any one with a martyrdom complex can stay in and around Israel and they'll always have an excuse as to why their life is miserable. OTOH One major thing Israel and its surrounding areas has over New York state ... better weather. Two weeks ago it was -10C in parts of New YOrk while it is 20C in Israel. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On December 30 2023 08:45 JimmiC wrote: It’s hard to understand because you won’t explain it outside of the word oppression. Nazis, the Japan fascists, Mussolini, taliban all appear to have lots of support. Still wouldnt wish them on anyone or support them in anyway. The application of sharia law by hamas is not better or worse than in most muslim countries. Being subjucated to a foreign power who puts your kids in prison without any judgment and ofc lawyer is quite worse. At least in sharia law there is ... A law not arbutrary violence. Israelis can even murder 2 years old without any prosecution (see mohamed tamini killed in june 2023...) So yes, Israel is way worse than Hamas for the average palestinian as israelis have a right of life and death on them. And even when there is a actual prosecution, it ends up like the Elor Azaria's one which tells a lot about the prevalent fascist, racism or wathever you want to call it within israeli society. Overall the success of islamism comes from the failure of pan arabism and arab nationalism to quell foreign imperialism. (And at the time, the western power were pro islam against the arab left... The muslim Brotherhood has been a long time ally of usa until the fall os ussr) | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On December 31 2023 04:55 stilt wrote: Overall the success of islamism comes from the failure of pan arabism and arab nationalism to quell foreign imperialism. (And at the time, the western power were pro islam against the arab left... The muslim Brotherhood has been a long time ally of usa until the fall os ussr) The "muslim brotherhood" in iran was not an ally of the USA while the Soviet Union existed. On December 31 2023 04:55 stilt wrote: The application of sharia law by hamas is not better or worse than in most muslim countries. Being subjucated to a foreign power who puts your kids in prison without any judgment and ofc lawyer is quite worse. At least in sharia law there is ... A law not arbutrary violence. Israelis can even murder 2 years old without any prosecution (see mohamed tamini killed in june 2023...) So yes, Israel is way worse than Hamas for the average palestinian as israelis have a right of life and death on them. And even when there is a actual prosecution, it ends up like the Elor Azaria's one which tells a lot about the prevalent fascist, racism or wathever you want to call it within israeli society. are we in here " talkin' 'bout practice? " ( see the Allan Iverson rant about missing 1 practice ). You've outlined one case. The population in Gaza is skyrocketing so the genocide ain't going to great. Prosecutors in any country can elect not to prosecute any one for any arbitrary reason. Happens all the time. On December 31 2023 04:55 stilt wrote: The application of sharia law by hamas is not better or worse than in most muslim countries. How do you know this? You've got knowledge of 50+ countries to make this statement? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
JERUSALEM, Dec 30 (Reuters) - The border zone between the Gaza Strip and Egypt should be under Israel's control, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday as he predicted the war in the Palestinian enclave and on other regional fronts would last many more months. Netanyahu held a news conference as Israel entered the 13th week of its war against Gaza's ruling Hamas Islamists, which has stoked violence in the occupied West Bank and touched off attacks by Iran-backed groups in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. "The Philadelphi Corridor - or to put it more correctly, the southern stoppage point (of Gaza) - must be in our hands. It must be shut. It is clear that any other arrangement would not ensure the demilitarisation that we seek," he said. Israel has said it intends to destroy Hamas in Gaza and demilitarise and deradicalise the territory in order to prevent any repeat of the Oct. 7 cross-border killing and kidnapping spree by the Palestinians militant group that sparked the war. "The war is at its height. We are fighting on all of the fronts. Achieving victory will require time. As the (IDF) chief of staff has said, the war will continue for many more months," Netanyahu said. He added a rare threat to attack Iran directly over the near-daily exchanges of fire across the Israel-Lebanon border. "If Hezbollah expands the warfare, it will suffer blows that it has not dreamed of - and so too Iran," Netanyahu said without elaborating. Source | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22519 Posts
On December 31 2023 05:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: "we cannot allow Palestinians to have a means to escape us or receive aid".No country in the history of the world would allow such an agreement to take place. Not even Israel themselves. Unless they are thinking of double border checkpoints etc. Not to mention that Egypt has been fortifying their border for the past few weeks. Bigger walls, watch towers etc. Source But sure, lets keep talking about how they would be better off under Israeli rule. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17751 Posts
I mean, what exactly is "Hamas Leadership"? They can just start making up names. They can then say: "Well we can not find XYZ so we must keep bombing." | ||
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RenSC2
United States1094 Posts
On December 31 2023 05:25 Gorsameth wrote: "we cannot allow Palestinians to have a means to escape us or receive aid". But sure, lets keep talking about how they would be better off under Israeli rule. Under Hamas rule, over 20,000 people have died because they were used as human shields by their own government. Yeah, Israel rule would be better than that. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On December 31 2023 05:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: No country in the history of the world would allow such an agreement to take place. Not even Israel themselves. Unless they are thinking of double border checkpoints etc. Not to mention that Egypt has been fortifying their border for the past few weeks. Bigger walls, watch towers etc. Source "The war is at its height. We are fighting on all of the fronts. Achieving victory will require time. As the (IDF) chief of staff has said, the war will continue for many more months," Netanyahu said. There we have it, the cat's out the bag. Anyone surprised? I shit you not, I expected that man to say almost these exact words. This is such an unbelievable atrocity already, and it's going to be several times worse when it's over. The pressure on the US and other Israeli allies such as Germany and the UK has to increase quickly and maximally. They have to stop supporting Israel's military. It has to end. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24253 Posts
On December 31 2023 05:25 Gorsameth wrote: "we cannot allow Palestinians to have a means to escape us or receive aid". But sure, lets keep talking about how they would be better off under Israeli rule. At this point I'm just wondering how anyone that thinks the "rules based order" is something other than a tool for US hegemony rationalizes those "rules" not applying to Israel (or the US). There's just no coherent way to reconcile the ostensible "rules based order", Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign, and the US's continued support of it (including Biden circumventing Congress to rush them more weapons to massacre Palestinians with). | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On December 31 2023 05:43 RenSC2 wrote: Under Hamas rule, over 20,000 people have died because they were used as human shields by their own government. Yeah, Israel rule would be better than that. Isn't it amazing how this sounds almost 1:1 as if Putin was talking. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
On December 31 2023 05:43 RenSC2 wrote: Under Hamas rule, over 20,000 people have died because they were used as human shields by their own government. Yeah, Israel rule would be better than that. Yup yup. Bombs don't kill people. The terrorists hiding in tunnels to avoid bombs kill people. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1094 Posts
I remember having this conversation about Trump back in 2020 during the election when someone on a different forum said that if elected, Trump would stop the George Floyd riots. I had to inform the person that Trump was actually already the president when it was all happening and he didn't do anything to stop it. Hamas is the leadership of Gaza. They had the slightest bit of military power and they used it to slaughter over 1000 Israelis to provoke a response. Israel responded. Everything that is happening right now is due to Hamas leadership. Gaza getting flattened is under Hamas's leadership. Over 20,000 civilians dead as human shields is under Hamas leadership. This is what Hamas used their power to do. People complain about the money that Bibi supposedly let Hamas have. They could have used that money for food, medical supplies, and infrastructure improvement. They bought weapons instead. They could have used their smuggling tunnels for food and other supplies to improve the quality of life of Palestinians. They used it for weapons. What is happening to Gaza right now is the result of Hamas leadership and the choices they made. Yes, Gaza would be a hell of a lot better off under Israeli control. Palestinians that prefer Hamas rule should take a good hard look at what it has gotten them. But as the old Voltaire quote goes, "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." | ||
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Nebuchad
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Magic Powers
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/world/middleeast/west-bank-settlers-palestinians-violence.html Posted three weeks after Hamas' invasion. Two more months have passed since. I wonder if the numbers went up, down, or stayed the same. When reality is literally opposite to people's beliefs, but their beliefs hold regardless. Odd, innit. | ||
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