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Yosheekee
France111 Posts
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m4ini
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pmh
1416 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:07 Yosheekee wrote: Do we have even the slightest idea of when we're getting new results ? Should we expect to wait until friday ? I think PA and GA will be decided today,Nevada is a different story somehow. Hmm it seems only fulton county will be fully counted today and not the rest of GA. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8155 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:07 m4ini wrote: This is harder to read than the burger debate pages ago. Can we put a lid on abortion rights in the election thread? Damn I missed the burger debate 😆 That reminds me of that line from my favourite sketch ever : "Bill, you said that about the avocado monologue in King Lear, and the tap dance at the end of Othello. " | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
Profile Blog PM Joined February 2008 France7154 Posts Blackadder,one of my favorit shows ever. Uuh wait,this isnt actually blackadder. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46256 Posts
On November 05 2020 20:49 maybenexttime wrote: I think the answer is obvious to anyone with a brain. You'd be surprised how many pro-choice people there are who don't consider the fetus human or alive. You'd be surprised how many pro-life people there are who don't consider women to be equal to men, and would absolutely flip their philosophy on abortion if it were the men who got pregnant. See? Both sides can play that allegation game, and I don't see how useful it is. But I think this a topic for another thread, another time, so I'll bow out now and focus just on the election  | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8155 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:16 pmh wrote: Biff The Understudy Profile Blog PM Joined February 2008 France7154 Posts Blackadder,one of my favorit shows ever. Uuh wait,this isnt actually blackadder. Nah. Just that temperamental git Bill Shaky and his manager 😆 | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:02 schaf wrote: Guys, gals and others I have no strong position on this. I wanted to make the point that a simple premise can lead to a strong conclusion if you are not able or willing to think about it in any more depth. I do this, too. I am strongly against the death penalty simply based on my premise that killing people is wrong. There is no need to discuss efficacy or other things for me. Done and dusted. Are you a pacifist? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:00 Acrofales wrote: You seem to think that being human is a yes/no answer, when it actually is way way more complex than that. The same goes for your other question of what is or isn't alive. For starters, the fetus is not viable to be alive outside of a host body. If it were, it wouldn't be an abortion, but a c-section. As for humanity: is a tumor human? It grows inside a human, and is entirely composed of human cells. Yet we do not consider a tumor human. Nevertheless, a fetus in the early stages contains fewer human cells than some tumors. So why is a fetus "human" but a tumor isn't. What is the essence of humanness? But I don't really want to get into this here, as it is very very very clearly not about the US 2020 election. Just wanted to point out that you need to define "alive" and "human" better before positing that people do or do not believe a fetus is either of those. I'm not sure how you got that impression. All I said was that, contrary to what DPB said, a fetus being a separate life inside of the mother is not necessarily what many pro-choice people take for granted. At least in Poland. Perhaps this is due to the fact that pro-choice is a minority view in Poland; maybe the proponents are more radical. Talking about a "clump of cells" and comparing (especially early-term) abortion to cutting nails etc. is rather common in our discourse. I agree that the essence of humanness etc. should all be considered. What I'm saying is that many of our proponents of legal abortion are so deep in their rabbit hole, that they don't deem those questions worth considering. But anyway, this is not a good place for this kind of discussion. I suggest do not derail the thread any more. :-) On November 05 2020 21:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You'd be surprised how many pro-life people there are who don't consider women to be equal to men, and would absolutely flip their philosophy on abortion if it were the men who got pregnant. See? Both sides can play that allegation game, and I don't see how useful it is. But I think this a topic for another thread, another time, so I'll bow out now and focus just on the election I'm not playing any game. I'm basing this on countless discussions with pro-choice people in Poland, interviews with feminist activists etc. Your hypothetical situation is impossible. If men were biologically women, they'd be women, not men. To test your hypothesis, you merely have to check if women are more supportive of legal abortions. There's no statistically significant difference in support for legal abortion between men and women in Poland. Men are actually slightly more in favor. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Any new "dumps" coming any time soon? | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:31 Dante08 wrote: I don't really see this mentioned here but do you guys feel not all Trump voters necessarily support Trump but hate that the democrat party has swayed so left and hate the left so much that they just voted for Trump? So democratic/liberal people hate "the left" more than they hate "far right QAnon shit"? | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:33 farvacola wrote: Nevada at noon EST, and Georgia and Arizona should wrap up sometime today. Tomorrow is Pennsylvania's self-imposed deadline. Cheers bud. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4437 Posts
On November 05 2020 18:44 dbRic1203 wrote: My impression always was, that Trump was mostly doing politics for Anyone insight on that? White men were the only demographic he shrank in this time round, by -5%. But if you're going to denigrate people for voting for him thats really not the way to win those voters back. Top two issues were the economy & law + order, Trump scored higher on those two issues than Biden.Thats a big part of it. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:31 Dante08 wrote: I don't really see this mentioned here but do you guys feel not all Trump voters necessarily support Trump but hate that the democrat party has swayed so left and hate the left so much that they just voted for Trump? I suspect in the total American electorate aggregate that the vote against the other guy is the majority rather than vote to support my guy. People voted against Trump not for Biden and many folks who voted for Trump did so to vote against the Dems and not for Trump. I voted straight GOP down-ballot for that reason (and the fact the Dem candidates were putrid). | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:34 m4ini wrote: So democratic/liberal people hate "the left" more than they hate "far right QAnon shit"? Dude QAnon stuff is fringe of the fringe and only gets media attention to attempt to disgrace the 60M+ who voted GOP or w/e. Are you comparing the progressive shift of the Dems to QAnon in equivalent impact on their party? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2020 21:37 Wegandi wrote: Dude QAnon stuff is fringe of the fringe and only gets media attention to attempt to disgrace the 60M+ who voted GOP or w/e. Are you comparing the progressive shift of the Dems to QAnon in equivalent impact on their party? We'll get to that once we have a democratic president retweeting Antifa conspiracies. Until then, you have no argument. Zero. | ||
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