EPTOn November 05 2020 22:04 Zambrah wrote:
I dont have to imagine, Im living in it, its awful
I dont have to imagine, Im living in it, its awful
Yeah, but you have choice now. See the upsides. You can choose to either die or drown in debt.
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Yeah, but you have choice now. See the upsides. You can choose to either die or drown in debt. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:06 m4ini wrote: Yeah, but you have choice now. See the upsides. You can choose to either die or drown in debt. Ohoho, don't you worry, I might choose both one day! | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
A random NYT tweet said that the last batch of Arizona votes that came out in the middle of the night are good enough for Trump that he might take it, but I haven't seen any updates aside from that. Did PA release any more results overnight? | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
She's made many remarks saying she's in support of it (and some to the contrary - she's a bit flippity floppity), but if you read her proposal she put forth it would only allow private insurers to offer Medicare plans that are heavily regulated in how they conduct themselves. That's all but eliminating and outlawing the current structure of our private insurance market. It's a way for folks to see "but nah uh private still exist!" while effectively nationalizing healthcare and in practice eliminating private insurance. It would be more like the NHS than not. “Medicare will set the rules of the road for these plans, including price and quality, and private insurance companies will play by those rules, not the other way around,” she writes. Come on. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:08 Zambrah wrote: Ohoho, don't you worry, I might choose both one day! Woohoo, greedy man you. "Fun" aside. I'm wondering. Is debt inheritable in the US? As in, as a somewhat macabre example, a family father getting cancer, racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for therapy - but in the end succumbs to the cancer. Is his family being held liable? | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:08 Zambrah wrote: Ohoho, don't you worry, I might choose both one day! As we re allready on that topic, what about university fees? they are so insanly high in the USA, that its almost impossible to study without living in live long debt. getting rid of that to give more equal chances to education is probably far - left as well? | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:09 Wegandi wrote: She's made many remarks saying she's in support of it (and some to the contrary - she's a bit flippity floppity), but if you read her proposal she put forth it would only allow private insurers to offer Medicare plans that are heavily regulated in how they conduct themselves. That's all but eliminating and outlawing the current structure of our private insurance market. It's a way for folks to see "but nah uh private still exist!" while effectively nationalizing healthcare and in practice eliminating private insurance. It would be more like the NHS than not. Come on. do you consider auto insurance public? because it runs under those same rules. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:09 Wegandi wrote: She's made many remarks saying she's in support of it (and some to the contrary - she's a bit flippity floppity), but if you read her proposal she put forth it would only allow private insurers to offer Medicare plans that are heavily regulated in how they conduct themselves. That's all but eliminating and outlawing the current structure of our private insurance market. It's a way for folks to see "but nah uh private still exist!" while effectively nationalizing healthcare and in practice eliminating private insurance. It would be more like the NHS than not. Come on. So she wants to regulate it? Why did you say she wants to outlaw it? Oh wait, i know why you said that. Nevermind. Sidenote, the UK has private insurance too, but yeah. NHS bad, i get it. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:10 dbRic1203 wrote: As we re allready on that topic, what about university fees? they are so insanly high in the USA, that its almost impossible to study without living in live long debt. getting rid of that to give more equal chances to education is probably far - left as well? Anything that prevents any degree of extortion on average americans is Far Left in America, from Public Healthcare, to reasonable college tuition. IIRC Bernie ran on elimination of college debt, that was a factor in why I liked him. One amongst many... | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:09 m4ini wrote: Woohoo, greedy man you. "Fun" aside. I'm wondering. Is debt inheritable in the US? As in, as a somewhat macabre example, a family father getting cancer, racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for therapy - but in the end succumbs to the cancer. Is his family being held liable? Any outstanding debt has to come out of the dead person's remaining assets. Aside from that, debt only passes if someone else's name is also on the debt (e.g. co-signing a loan). These are general rules. Certain state laws concerning specific types of debt apply. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:12 Stratos_speAr wrote: Any outstanding debt has to come out of the dead person's remaining assets. Aside from that, debt only passes if someone else's name is also on the debt (e.g. co-signing a loan). These are general rules. Certain state laws concerning specific types of debt apply. Well, that's reasonably fair i think. Cheers. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:03 Wegandi wrote: Blue collar folks are not your critical theory toting folks. They're trade folks, not college-educated and they're not cosmopolitan. You see Lady Gaga mock these folks. They're also traditionally law and order folks too and that's not a popular position with the D's. The D's also have abandoned all messaging with this demo (Biden is basically the last vestige in the national Party). If you think all blue collar is is unemployment and re-training I can tell you've lost them all ready. Blue collar folks are miners, plumbers, construction workers, etc. That's why I said you can offer those things for people and areas left behind by issues such as manufacturing being moved overseas. I'm not saying drop everything for it, nor do I think that all blue collar voters will be won by that. But it would be something, whereas now it looks like Democrats really do not offer a whole lot there. If it is social conservatism that wins the votes then it may not be what Democrats can or should offer. There is another party for that. But they could at least offer the option of economic left which as per my understanding is quite popular. Basically it boils down to there being a vacuum for economic policy that isn't neoliberal and that just maybe Democrats could try to fill that vacuum. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:12 Zambrah wrote: Anything that prevents any degree of extortion on average americans is Far Left in America, from Public Healthcare, to reasonable college tuition. IIRC Bernie ran on elimination of college debt, that was a factor in why I liked him. One amongst many... I gues the average far - left US American should just move to Germany then (once covid allowes it)  you d be right in the middle of the political spectrum  | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:14 dbRic1203 wrote: I gues the average far - left US American should just move to Germany then (once covid allowes it) you d be right in the middle of the political spectrum If I had the money I'd flee the US in a heartbeat. I'd rack up a bunch of credit card debt and sell my car for cash too if I thought I could get away with never coming back. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:05 dbRic1203 wrote: We have both private and public health insurance companies. But we do have health care for all. And that isn t dumb, that just insures, that you don t fucking die, because you re poor. Healthcare for all isn t left, it s normal in pretty much all other developed western countries Whoosh. I know you have private markets that aren't mandated on every little thing including price and specific coverage (e.g. the Government makes the plans and these are the only plans "private" insurers can offer which is what Harris proposed). Sanders plan eliminated private health insurance altogether. If you listen to this growing wing of the party they do not even use any lip service on the benefits of capitalism or the market. They are closer to Kshama Sawant than some moderate folks in the Nordic countries. The US has the most progressive taxation of all OECD countries. Scandinavia have lower corporate taxes, lower top rate marginal income tax rates, less business regulation, etc. Progressives in this country advocate the exact opposite. They think you can pay for everything welfare under the sun by only taxing the "ultra rich". It's lunacy. Notice they never talk about sharing the burden for what they propose it's all free shit. The rich will pay for it. People in the NL, Denmark, etc. don't talk like that (at least those that aren't communist fringe there). | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:15 Zambrah wrote: If I had the money I'd flee the US in a heartbeat. I'd rack up a bunch of credit card debt and sell my car for cash too if I thought I could get away with never coming back. Well if a civil war breaks out in the US (/s), you can apply for political asylum in germany or the UK. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
On November 05 2020 22:03 Neneu wrote: Imagine living in a world where the free public healthcare is far left. Free public healthcare such as Medicare for all is definitely left. There are many kinds of ways to achieve universal healthcare without it being all public and free. Many developed countries work in a hybrid system with private (paid) health insurance with heavy government intervention and private healthcare providers in parts of the healthcare market. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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m4ini
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On November 05 2020 22:18 Zambrah wrote: Germany please, I've seen UK politics, I dont need to replace Trump with Boris Johnson in my life, lol. I'm a german living in the UK, cheers for reminding me sigh. | ||
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