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On November 05 2020 07:51 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:48 Zambrah wrote:On November 05 2020 07:34 darthfoley wrote:On November 04 2020 12:21 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 12:16 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Dems just flipped a house seat in Missouri with a notably progressive candidate. I'm happy libertarian Nick Freitas walloped Spanberger in VA. Good call on that one! Spanberger currently leads with one batch of absentee ballots remaining by 1.2. Thank God, I had never heard of Nick Freitas but I presume he’s the fuckstick who has bombarded me with Spanberger hate ads for a fucking month, the dumb shitty prick. I WANT TO REWATCH JIMQUISITIONS IN PEACE THANKS. Yeah I voted for her but I became very tried of the Spanberger "I worked for the CIA and will fight tax raises on craft beer brewers" commercials lol
There were Spanberger ads that weren’t exclusively, “she makes time for her LIBRUL donors!” And “Hi, I’m the guy who voices the Spanberger attack ads, and she wants you to hear MORE of these!”
That last one seemed particularly idiotic to me, too...
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United States10533 Posts
PA update: Trump lead down to 287k. Chip chip chip away.
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Northern Ireland27240 Posts
On November 05 2020 07:50 Shingi11 wrote:
So another question for you all. In another world where Bernie won the primary do you see him improving this map at all. If I am going to be honest I think he loses. I dont think the berne bros pull him over the blue wall.
I think it’s quite possible he does indeed lose here.
It seems to me, possibly inaccurately that areas where Bernie and Trump played well in 2016 have perhaps been solidified by Trump’s first term in his camp.
One of the more learned denizens of this thread will probably eviscerate this notion, feels to me the zone of convergence in the Venn diagram of their respective support bases was more in play in 2016 than now.
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On November 05 2020 07:53 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:50 Shingi11 wrote:
So another question for you all. In another world where Bernie won the primary do you see him improving this map at all. If I am going to be honest I think he loses. I dont think the berne bros pull him over the blue wall. Problem with Bernie is that he would get railed on by Trump for being socialist/communist, and for sure the northern blue wall is still moderate dems that would not want someone like a Bernie. With how close the north states are, I think Trump would repeat and even flip Nevada.
Theoretically moderate Republicans don’t want Trump though, but they show up for him. There’s just a large contingent of voters that are going to stick in their party lane, and I doubt Bernie would suddenly flip all those people into Republicans.
Also @Wombat;
Born different, born innocent, born perfect, I’m not like yooou, Ima, born lover, born livid, and I know I’m not like you I was born clever, born knowledgeable...
How Drill Queen only made three songs is beyond me. Born Depressed is high quality.
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On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.
Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.
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United States10533 Posts
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.
Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.
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United States10533 Posts
GA and PA updates:
GA lead down to 57k
PA lead down to 277k.
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On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.
He did better in most of these categories in state polls too.
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On November 05 2020 08:01 FlaShFTW wrote:
GA and PA updates:
GA lead down to 57k
PA lead down to 277k.
we doin it???? 300 EV??
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On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.
Yeah killing it in California or in DC doesn't really help.
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On November 05 2020 08:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state. Yeah killing it in California or in DC doesn't really help.
They weren't only conducted in California or DC lol
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On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.
Sanders is an appealingly genuine person. He comes off as someone who gives a shit about the working class, I genuinely think he would have stood a strong chance. He’s got good campaign energy.
I’m sad we likely won’t see anything more out of him, he’s a beacon of integrity rarely seen in american politics. Now we’re getting more Qanon people.
Sigh...
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On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.
One thing that makes it hard to quantify when it comes to Bernie vs Biden's chances is that if it was Bernie the media would have gone somewhat softer on Trump, still hostile but not as committed, instead of criticizing him all the time (as he deserves).
I don't know how that works in terms of votes.
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Bisutopia19372 Posts
On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.
As someone who didn’t vote for Trump in this election, I would have voted for him over Bernie without hesitation. I vehemently disagree with his policies to solve problems with massive taxes and give things for free. At least with Biden, I see him taking his time approaching far left policy decisions or best case scenario being a lame duck president.
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Wow. Wtf.
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On November 05 2020 08:05 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. One thing that makes it hard to quantify when it comes to Bernie vs Biden's chances is that if it was Bernie the media would have gone somewhat softer on Trump, still hostile but not as committed, instead of criticizing him all the time (as he deserves). I don't know how that works in terms of votes.
This is true. The media would not have been as favorable for a Bernie nominee.
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On November 05 2020 08:04 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state. Sanders is an appealingly genuine person. He comes off as someone who gives a shit about the working class, I genuinely think he would have stood a strong chance. He’s got good campaign energy. I’m sad we likely won’t see anything more out of him, he’s a beacon of integrity rarely seen in american politics. Now we’re getting more Qanon people. Sigh...
I think AOC has a lot of the genuineness and sharpness of Sanders. Hopefully we will see more leaders of their kind. Can't help but think there are many out there in this giant and wealthy country of ours.
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Wow. Wtf.
My god, he really does want violence to erupt.
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On November 05 2020 08:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state. As someone who didn’t vote for Trump in this election, I would have voted for him over Bernie without hesitation. I vehemently disagree with his policies to solve problems with massive taxes and give things for free. At least with Biden, I see him taking his time approaching far left policy decisions or best case scenario being a lame duck president.
I agree but when are we ever getting to that goal of providing necessary rights to people? It's honestly tiring to see politicians just put on a mask and deliver nothing every year while income gap grows and people are on brink of becoming homeless due to insane COL. Like is it too much asking for a 1 bedroom apartment for $500 rent? is it too much asking for a basic health care without having to worry about paying half of my salary for some emergency? When are we ever going to tackle climate change? Are we going to continue like this and just die?
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United States10533 Posts
On November 05 2020 08:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state. As someone who didn’t vote for Trump in this election, I would have voted for him over Bernie without hesitation. I vehemently disagree with his policies to solve problems with massive taxes and give things for free. At least with Biden, I see him taking his time approaching far left policy decisions or best case scenario being a lame duck president.
Yeah, my family and I probably all would've voted Trump (I would vote jojo) if it was Trump v. Bernie. I suspect there are more people like me and Bisudagger than those that would vote Republican in this election vs switching to Bernie in a hypothetical.
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On November 05 2020 08:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle. Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated. Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state. As someone who didn’t vote for Trump in this election, I would have voted for him over Bernie without hesitation. I vehemently disagree with his policies to solve problems with massive taxes and give things for free. At least with Biden, I see him taking his time approaching far left policy decisions or best case scenario being a lame duck president.
Just to avoid the destruction of real civic terms, lame duck means something very specific (it's the time period between when you've lost an election and your replacement gets in). It's just been coopted recently to mean "time when it's difficult to pass policies" in an attempt to make contentious attitudes more palatable to the masses by using official sounding terms.
(witness Trump talking about "disenfranchisement" earlier today)
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