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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 04 2020 23:12 GMT
#2481
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

Some fucking Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be inspired by that last sentence
Neosteel Enthusiast
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:14:01
November 04 2020 23:13 GMT
#2482
On November 05 2020 08:10 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:04 Zambrah wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.

Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.


Sanders is an appealingly genuine person. He comes off as someone who gives a shit about the working class, I genuinely think he would have stood a strong chance. He’s got good campaign energy.

I’m sad we likely won’t see anything more out of him, he’s a beacon of integrity rarely seen in american politics. Now we’re getting more Qanon people.

Sigh...


I think AOC has a lot of the genuineness and sharpness of Sanders. Hopefully we will see more of their kind. Can't help but think there are many out there in this giant and wealthy country of ours.

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.


My god, he really does want violence to erupt.



Needs more time on AOC, I hope she becomes a Sanders, but Politics is a corrupting force so I’m holding back on it for now. Sanders had such a long tenure of doing what was right, part of his appeal to me was how long he had been doing things I agree with as opposed to someone like Biden who basically had to be bullied into it by popular opinion.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 04 2020 23:14 GMT
#2483
On November 05 2020 08:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

Some fucking Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be inspired by that last sentence


No. As usual, you're misrepresenting what Trump said. He didn't incite violence. He didn't mean it the way you make it out to be. Media is spinning. Post is fake. He's just trolling.

Now that the typical trumpet doesn't need to justify this behaviour anymore, we can go into detail as to how fucked up this message really is.
On track to MA1950A.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12463 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:19:59
November 04 2020 23:16 GMT
#2484
On November 05 2020 08:11 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:07 BisuDagger wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.

Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.

As someone who didn’t vote for Trump in this election, I would have voted for him over Bernie without hesitation. I vehemently disagree with his policies to solve problems with massive taxes and give things for free. At least with Biden, I see him taking his time approaching far left policy decisions or best case scenario being a lame duck president.

Yeah, my family and I probably all would've voted Trump (I would vote jojo) if it was Trump v. Bernie. I suspect there are more people like me and Bisudagger than those that would vote Republican in this election vs switching to Bernie in a hypothetical.


The data I've seen doesn't support this assumption, there aren't that many people in the bottom right.

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No will to live, no wish to die
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:16:41
November 04 2020 23:16 GMT
#2485
It will take a week for NC to count the last 5%?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10402 Posts
November 04 2020 23:16 GMT
#2486
PA update: Lead down to 266k.
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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 04 2020 23:17 GMT
#2487
On November 05 2020 08:13 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:10 Starlightsun wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:04 Zambrah wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.

Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.


Sanders is an appealingly genuine person. He comes off as someone who gives a shit about the working class, I genuinely think he would have stood a strong chance. He’s got good campaign energy.

I’m sad we likely won’t see anything more out of him, he’s a beacon of integrity rarely seen in american politics. Now we’re getting more Qanon people.

Sigh...


I think AOC has a lot of the genuineness and sharpness of Sanders. Hopefully we will see more of their kind. Can't help but think there are many out there in this giant and wealthy country of ours.

On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.


My god, he really does want violence to erupt.



Needs more time on AOC, I hope she becomes a Sanders, but Politics is a corrupting force so I’m holding back on it for now. Sanders had such a long tenure of doing what was right, part of his appeal to me was how long he had been doing things I agree with as opposed to someone like Biden who basically had to be bullied into it by popular opinion.

Agreed. I hope AOC becomes the next Sanders but I need to see if she stays consistent and genuine for a few more years before I'm ready to feel confident in that.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 04 2020 23:18 GMT
#2488
On November 05 2020 08:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will take a week for NC to count the last 5%?

https://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1324112041850884099

That's the last day a mail-in ballot can come in and still be counted in NC, I think.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
November 04 2020 23:19 GMT
#2489
On November 05 2020 07:59 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 07:53 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:50 Shingi11 wrote:
So another question for you all. In another world where Bernie won the primary do you see him improving this map at all. If I am going to be honest I think he loses. I dont think the berne bros pull him over the blue wall.

Problem with Bernie is that he would get railed on by Trump for being socialist/communist, and for sure the northern blue wall is still moderate dems that would not want someone like a Bernie. With how close the north states are, I think Trump would repeat and even flip Nevada.


Theoretically moderate Republicans don’t want Trump though, but they show up for him. There’s just a large contingent of voters that are going to stick in their party lane, and I doubt Bernie would suddenly flip all those people into Republicans.

Also @Wombat;

Born different, born innocent, born perfect, I’m not like yooou, Ima, born lover, born livid, and I know I’m not like you I was born clever, born knowledgeable...

How Drill Queen only made three songs is beyond me. Born Depressed is high quality.


Damn you make me wanna subscribe again. Got fatigued by the constant "video games industry bad take 4532688" but really liked the show.
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
November 04 2020 23:19 GMT
#2490
Peters is reported to have narrowly held on to his Senate seat.

I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:22:24
November 04 2020 23:20 GMT
#2491
On November 05 2020 08:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will take a week for NC to count the last 5%?

https://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1324112041850884099


They don't count any of the remaining mail-in ballots until the 12th, which is the last day any mail-in ballots can be received and counted (assuming they're postmarked by the 2nd).
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
November 04 2020 23:22 GMT
#2492
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.


Polls are dead to me dont talk about those abominations lol.

For real though the rust belt seems incredibly moderate. Bernie definitely had some people more excited but I think the net lost of people who are scared of the big bad socialist is too great.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8082 Posts
November 04 2020 23:23 GMT
#2493
On November 05 2020 08:14 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

Some fucking Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be inspired by that last sentence


No. As usual, you're misrepresenting what Trump said. He didn't incite violence. He didn't mean it the way you make it out to be. Media is spinning. Post is fake. He's just trolling.

Now that the typical trumpet doesn't need to justify this behaviour anymore, we can go into detail as to how fucked up this message really is.

Well. It's very clear that given the chance, Trump would steal elections and destroy democracy. Those four years have been a stress test for the american institutions, and it looks like they held actually quite well. Even a wannabe strongman with one of the two parties completely under his spell can be ousted from office without being able to do much about it.

Democracy is really precious. In many, many places, Trump would have been president for life.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 04 2020 23:24 GMT
#2494
On November 05 2020 08:19 schaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 07:59 Zambrah wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:53 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:50 Shingi11 wrote:
So another question for you all. In another world where Bernie won the primary do you see him improving this map at all. If I am going to be honest I think he loses. I dont think the berne bros pull him over the blue wall.

Problem with Bernie is that he would get railed on by Trump for being socialist/communist, and for sure the northern blue wall is still moderate dems that would not want someone like a Bernie. With how close the north states are, I think Trump would repeat and even flip Nevada.


Theoretically moderate Republicans don’t want Trump though, but they show up for him. There’s just a large contingent of voters that are going to stick in their party lane, and I doubt Bernie would suddenly flip all those people into Republicans.

Also @Wombat;

Born different, born innocent, born perfect, I’m not like yooou, Ima, born lover, born livid, and I know I’m not like you I was born clever, born knowledgeable...

How Drill Queen only made three songs is beyond me. Born Depressed is high quality.


Damn you make me wanna subscribe again. Got fatigued by the constant "video games industry bad take 4532688" but really liked the show.


Check out his video Mister Negative, lol, he goes into the nature of that particular topic!
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10402 Posts
November 04 2020 23:25 GMT
#2495
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324130040414720001?s=20

PA on track for a smooth Biden win.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1090 Posts
November 04 2020 23:25 GMT
#2496
On November 05 2020 08:11 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:07 BisuDagger wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.

Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.

As someone who didn’t vote for Trump in this election, I would have voted for him over Bernie without hesitation. I vehemently disagree with his policies to solve problems with massive taxes and give things for free. At least with Biden, I see him taking his time approaching far left policy decisions or best case scenario being a lame duck president.

Yeah, my family and I probably all would've voted Trump (I would vote jojo) if it was Trump v. Bernie. I suspect there are more people like me and Bisudagger than those that would vote Republican in this election vs switching to Bernie in a hypothetical.

If Bernie won the primary, my vote might have gone 3rd party. It would depend greatly on how Bernie reacted to the riots. If he would have called riots "beautiful protests", yes, specifically calling the riots and looting "beautiful protests" as one (now former) IL rep said, then I couldn't vote for him. That one statement likely cost the IL rep her very winnable seat.

I cannot support mob justice on either side. Can't vote for Trump and his mob mentality. Can't vote for left wing mobs either. So if Bernie couldn't absolutely reject looting and rioting (while separating and cheering for peaceful protests), then I'd have to go 3rd party. I don't think I'm anywhere near alone.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10402 Posts
November 04 2020 23:26 GMT
#2497
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1324130628820963330?s=20

Here comes that law suit. Don't fuck this up SCOTUS
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:28:29
November 04 2020 23:27 GMT
#2498
I'm convinced that Democrats will argue all the way into ecological collapse that the politicians and policy necessary to mitigate/prevent it is too scary to people they acknowledge are actually just ignorant of the science.

Same goes for healthcare, taxes, and criminal justice.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:28:19
November 04 2020 23:27 GMT
#2499
On November 05 2020 08:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will take a week for NC to count the last 5%?

https://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1324112041850884099

Wild. This should be a lesson, ballot tallying needs to be addressed. There really is no excuse for this
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 04 2020 23:27 GMT
#2500
On November 05 2020 08:25 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324130040414720001?s=20

PA on track for a smooth Biden win.


I wonder what Trump did to the guy who told him about this. Because someone definitely did earlier today.
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