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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 04 2020 23:28 GMT
#2501
Bernie doesn’t like the riots he just understands why they’re happening and that saying, “riots bad!” to a situation where rioting is happening because of extreme police brutality is a bad take
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:30:27
November 04 2020 23:29 GMT
#2502
On November 05 2020 08:22 Shingi11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.


Polls are dead to me dont talk about those abominations lol.

For real though the rust belt seems incredibly moderate. Bernie definitely had some people more excited but I think the net lost of people who are scared of the big bad socialist is too great.

I think Bernie could have dodged the big bad socialist label a bit better if he had branded himself as an FDR Democrat rather than a Democratic Socialist in 2016 and a straight up Socialist in 2020. People seem to be forgetting that Trump ran on "Socialist" (at least for America) positions in 2016. For example, he promised to enact public Healthcare and he made that statement before he received the Republican nomination. These big bad socialist ideas are not the big boogie man that people think it is.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
November 04 2020 23:29 GMT
#2503
On November 05 2020 08:14 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

Some fucking Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be inspired by that last sentence


No. As usual, you're misrepresenting what Trump said. He didn't incite violence. He didn't mean it the way you make it out to be. Media is spinning. Post is fake. He's just trolling.

Now that the typical trumpet doesn't need to justify this behaviour anymore, we can go into detail as to how fucked up this message really is.


Tell me witch party was driving around in armed convoys trying to intimate votes and disrupt rallies and then get back to me on what is fucked up
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10533 Posts
November 04 2020 23:30 GMT
#2504
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324131778295173120?s=20

Nate Cohn is anticipating Biden to win by 2 points in PA
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 04 2020 23:30 GMT
#2505
On November 05 2020 08:29 Shingi11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:14 m4ini wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

Some fucking Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be inspired by that last sentence


No. As usual, you're misrepresenting what Trump said. He didn't incite violence. He didn't mean it the way you make it out to be. Media is spinning. Post is fake. He's just trolling.

Now that the typical trumpet doesn't need to justify this behaviour anymore, we can go into detail as to how fucked up this message really is.


Tell me witch party was driving around in armed convoys trying to intimate votes and disrupt rallies and then get back to me on what is fucked up


.. woosh.
On track to MA1950A.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 04 2020 23:31 GMT
#2506
On November 05 2020 08:29 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:22 Shingi11 wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.


Polls are dead to me dont talk about those abominations lol.

For real though the rust belt seems incredibly moderate. Bernie definitely had some people more excited but I think the net lost of people who are scared of the big bad socialist is too great.

I think Bernie could have dodged the big bad socialist label a bit better if he had branded himself as an FDR Democrat rather than a Democratic Socialist in 2016 and a straight up Socialist in 2020. People seem to be forgetting that Trump ran on "Socialist" (at least for America) positions in 2016. For example, he promised to enact public Healthcare and he made that statement before he received the Republican nomination. These big bad socialist ideas are not the big boogie man that people think it is.


Yeah I’d like to see that used more. It’s all in the vein of breaking complex ideas down into digestible parts for Americans.

A young FDR Democrat would be a good way to go next election. Not Kamala Harris.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12489 Posts
November 04 2020 23:33 GMT
#2507
On November 05 2020 08:29 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:22 Shingi11 wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.


Polls are dead to me dont talk about those abominations lol.

For real though the rust belt seems incredibly moderate. Bernie definitely had some people more excited but I think the net lost of people who are scared of the big bad socialist is too great.

I think Bernie could have dodged the big bad socialist label a bit better if he had branded himself as an FDR Democrat rather than a Democratic Socialist in 2016 and a straight up Socialist in 2020. People seem to be forgetting that Trump ran on "Socialist" (at least for America) positions in 2016. For example, he promised to enact public Healthcare and he made that statement before he received the Republican nomination. These big bad socialist ideas are not the big boogie man that people think it is.


In a few years socialism will do just fine, so it's not that bad to get ahead. It probably cut the amount of time needed for the branding to become fine.

Also, we want leftism to win, not "Democrats", so if Democrats can't ever do a leftism because that means they'll lose then them winning does nothing for us.
No will to live, no wish to die
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
November 04 2020 23:34 GMT
#2508
I've been tooting that horn for years now, but yes, a return to LBJ/JFK/FDR "make the middle" politics is absolutely the way forward for Dems, just a question of what that looks like in contemporary terms.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44213 Posts
November 04 2020 23:35 GMT
#2509
On November 05 2020 08:27 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will take a week for NC to count the last 5%?


Wild. This should be a lesson, ballot tallying needs to be addressed. There really is no excuse for this

The excuse is that they don’t know when the last ballot that was cast before the cutoff will arrive for counting. That’s why there are months before inauguration. It was never meant to be done in a night. NC is doing it properly. They’re one of the few.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
November 04 2020 23:37 GMT
#2510
On November 05 2020 08:27 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will take a week for NC to count the last 5%?

https://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1324112041850884099

Wild. This should be a lesson, ballot tallying needs to be addressed. There really is no excuse for this


Ballots can still arrive until nov 12. It has nothing to do with an inability to count the ballots, they just aren’t going to continue to dribble out results until they’re finished
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10533 Posts
November 04 2020 23:37 GMT
#2511
Reviewing the map: it seemed like those early votes in the rural counties were not enough to show that Biden had actually gained in the rural counties as I had reported earlier in the election night. Instead, the in-person vote for most of those counties came through and allowed Trump to comfortably hold his lead from 2016.

However, the difference has been the more urban counties where Biden has dramatically increased turnout and support. When you break it down like that, Trump's wins by less than a few percentages points in the rust belt allowed Biden to come in and override the red rural wave and build blue pillars in those urban counties. He ended up with 20k more votes in Milwaukee, 100k from the blue counties in Michigan.

And with the remaining vote in PA and GA being those blue cities, the chances of Biden flipping both blue gets more and more likely with no rural counties to be counted.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:38:27
November 04 2020 23:37 GMT
#2512
On November 05 2020 08:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:27 Cricketer12 wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will take a week for NC to count the last 5%?

https://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1324112041850884099

Wild. This should be a lesson, ballot tallying needs to be addressed. There really is no excuse for this

The excuse is that they don’t know when the last ballot that was cast before the cutoff will arrive for counting. That’s why there are months before inauguration. It was never meant to be done in a night. NC is doing it properly. They’re one of the few.


Yeah, it's not like this is surprising. If your election laws say ballots can come in until date X, and you do the final count on date X, you'll only get a final count on date X.

Fortunately it (hopefully) will not matter in the presidential election, and I can't see Cunningham making a comeback. Though it would suck if we had to wait for PA to come completely back to Biden.
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
November 04 2020 23:37 GMT
#2513
On November 05 2020 08:30 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:29 Shingi11 wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:14 m4ini wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

Some fucking Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be inspired by that last sentence


No. As usual, you're misrepresenting what Trump said. He didn't incite violence. He didn't mean it the way you make it out to be. Media is spinning. Post is fake. He's just trolling.

Now that the typical trumpet doesn't need to justify this behaviour anymore, we can go into detail as to how fucked up this message really is.


Tell me witch party was driving around in armed convoys trying to intimate votes and disrupt rallies and then get back to me on what is fucked up


.. woosh.


Did I miss the sarcasm cause if I did I am sorry.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 04 2020 23:39 GMT
#2514
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

I assume the “second amendment people” are going to try to do something about this, sooner or later.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2020 23:40 GMT
#2515
On November 05 2020 08:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:59 StasisField wrote:
On November 05 2020 07:39 pmh wrote:
I think biden did great. Such a long career and then in the end defeat (or not,yet to be seen) the most controversial president since a long time who went for his 2nd term. Who else from the democratic nominees could have done this? I dont think anyone else could have pulled this off or come this close. Biden had the name recognition and he was a safe choice for many people in the middle.

Sanders polled better against Trump, better with independents, better with Republicans, about even with Democrats, and better on all of the issues during the Democratic primary. Biden repeated from day one that he was the only one who could defeat Trump and, surprise surprise, the only thing Biden polled better in was the question "Who do you think has a better chance at beating Trump?" and that, plus all of the moderate candidates folding and backing Biden and Warren staying in, was enough for most Dems to vote Biden on Super Tuesday and railroad a Biden nomination. The narrative that Biden was the best shot for the Dems to win is, based on the data, entirely fabricated.

Not sure how those polls would translate to real results tbh. I think these national polls would be really good in blue states for Bernie but not for swing state.

As someone who didn’t vote for Trump in this election, I would have voted for him over Bernie without hesitation. I vehemently disagree with his policies to solve problems with massive taxes and give things for free. At least with Biden, I see him taking his time approaching far left policy decisions or best case scenario being a lame duck president.


All I can say is wow
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1094 Posts
November 04 2020 23:40 GMT
#2516
On November 05 2020 08:37 Shingi11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:30 m4ini wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:29 Shingi11 wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:14 m4ini wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

Some fucking Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be inspired by that last sentence


No. As usual, you're misrepresenting what Trump said. He didn't incite violence. He didn't mean it the way you make it out to be. Media is spinning. Post is fake. He's just trolling.

Now that the typical trumpet doesn't need to justify this behaviour anymore, we can go into detail as to how fucked up this message really is.


Tell me witch party was driving around in armed convoys trying to intimate votes and disrupt rallies and then get back to me on what is fucked up


.. woosh.


Did I miss the sarcasm cause if I did I am sorry.

Yes, he was being sarcastic. Unfortunately, that is a hot-take that a few people might stop by to make non-sarcastically, so it's hard to tell if you don't recognize the poster at least a little.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:41:53
November 04 2020 23:41 GMT
#2517
What's a bit fascinating to me about that email screed from Trump is that there isn't really much chaos at all right now. In the scheme of chaotic things I've seen, this has been relatively mild and sedate. Surely his supporters have seen more chaotic things too?

Indeed, what's sinking Trump in PA is that there's been basically no chaos in the mail-in ballots whatsoever.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 04 2020 23:41 GMT
#2518
On November 05 2020 08:37 Shingi11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:30 m4ini wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:29 Shingi11 wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:14 m4ini wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Wow. Wtf.

Some fucking Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be inspired by that last sentence


No. As usual, you're misrepresenting what Trump said. He didn't incite violence. He didn't mean it the way you make it out to be. Media is spinning. Post is fake. He's just trolling.

Now that the typical trumpet doesn't need to justify this behaviour anymore, we can go into detail as to how fucked up this message really is.


Tell me witch party was driving around in armed convoys trying to intimate votes and disrupt rallies and then get back to me on what is fucked up


.. woosh.


Did I miss the sarcasm cause if I did I am sorry.


Yep. I did assume that if i just play down all the stereotypical answers that trumpets sing whenever trump says/does something incredibly moronic, it'd be hyperbole enough to be immediately seen as sarcasm.

Reviewing it, well.. i should've probably /s'd it.

Point was: "insert shallow/nonsensical trump apologist meme here" - now that that's out of the way we can argue how fucked up it is (and by that i mean incredibly fucked up).
On track to MA1950A.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24213 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 23:45:44
November 04 2020 23:43 GMT
#2519
I'm sure when Democrats tell the Trump supporters that Biden got more votes so him winning is a fact (assuming that is indeed the case), they will graciously accept that reality.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
November 04 2020 23:44 GMT
#2520
On November 05 2020 08:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 08:27 Cricketer12 wrote:
On November 05 2020 08:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will take a week for NC to count the last 5%?

https://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1324112041850884099

Wild. This should be a lesson, ballot tallying needs to be addressed. There really is no excuse for this

The excuse is that they don’t know when the last ballot that was cast before the cutoff will arrive for counting. That’s why there are months before inauguration. It was never meant to be done in a night. NC is doing it properly. They’re one of the few.

Yeah, my point is they should cut off mail in deadline, and start counting early so 100% reported can occur on election night
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