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Kenthros
United States95 Posts
Trump: repeats shit he says hes done in the past, no plan. Biden: says Trump didn't do those things says he has a plan doesn't talk about it. This was right at the damn start. Why are these 2 up here? This goes back and forth in this debate to the part were I just was so stupifiyed with Trump talking of clean air, I just couldn't take listening to them anymore. Whats going on with me? Am I just crazy in thinking like this? How if I'm not crazy do we get to this point? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On October 23 2020 11:38 Kenthros wrote: It must be because of me being all around depressed, after losing my job and home and having to relocate, but this debate, though much more civil compared to the others, after I am hearing are these 2 all I can think of is why? Why are these our candidates? Literally right off the bat the woman asked what will be your plan, Trump: repeats shit he says hes done in the past, no plan. Biden: says Trump didn't do those things says he has a plan doesn't talk about it. This was right at the damn start. Why are these 2 up here? This goes back and forth in this debate to the part were I just was so stupifiyed with Trump talking of clean air, I just couldn't take listening to them anymore. Whats going on with me? Am I just crazy in thinking like this? How if I'm not crazy do we get to this point? This pretty much summarizes why I hate the debate meta. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Unfortunately for Trump he still has a lot of bullshit to sell so even if his demeanor and talking candence was a lot more reasonable he still looked insane at times. Biden started strong, became weaker after a while when it got chaotic but still held himself well compared to other appearances I've seen of him. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 23 2020 11:41 plasmidghost wrote: Ah fuck, I don't like this. The line on transitioning from the oil industry is absolutely needed and good but that is going to sink his chances in Texas so hard He's already running as a Republican in all but name; that's a little too much pandering even for Biden. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12461 Posts
On October 23 2020 11:38 Kenthros wrote: It must be because of me being all around depressed, after losing my job and home and having to relocate, but this debate, though much more civil compared to the others, after I am hearing are these 2 all I can think of is why? Why are these our candidates? Literally right off the bat the woman asked what will be your plan, Trump: repeats shit he says hes done in the past, no plan. Biden: says Trump didn't do those things says he has a plan doesn't talk about it. This was right at the damn start. Why are these 2 up here? This goes back and forth in this debate to the part were I just was so stupifiyed with Trump talking of clean air, I just couldn't take listening to them anymore. Whats going on with me? Am I just crazy in thinking like this? How if I'm not crazy do we get to this point? Trump is the candidate because he won last time, and Biden is the candidate because the most influential people in the country want the system to remain neoliberal and capitalist, and one of the best ways for a democratic system (more or less) to consistently produce that result is if your options are either the crazy dude that wants bad things or the status quo. If you want something better for the world, you are to be discouraged, told that you are asking for something too perfect, and then asked to get in line. It's a pretty effective mind prison. That's the jist of it, anyway. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On October 23 2020 11:41 plasmidghost wrote: Ah fuck, I don't like this. The line on transitioning from the oil industry is absolutely needed and good but that is going to sink his chances in Texas so hard He doesn't need Texas to win and D's haven't won there since 76. | ||
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Deleted User 173346
16169 Posts
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Deleted User 173346
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On October 23 2020 11:45 CorsairHero wrote: He doesn't need Texas to win and D's haven't won there since 76. Well it was an interesting circumstance for Texas to be trending as it has so far (more blue than many would expect iirc.) Oil is a specific nerve though, a big one. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On October 23 2020 11:50 plasmidghost wrote: Beat me to it lol. I know a lot of younger voters are rightfully terrified of the climate change and if this gets more of them to vote for him in swing states, then I'll gladly sacrifice my state being blue I live in Texas too, but Texas turning blue felt like a far shot even in this election cycle. I'm hoping the closeness of this race here is indicative of a demographic shift that could have a better chance of turning blue in future elections, but it could also be the general unpopularity of Trump currently. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
If he gives specifics he gives points of attack, and he doesn't need to take the risk when he can snake through. He only needs to present plans when his own side would fence-bust him if he dodges. Exhibit A: On October 23 2020 11:41 plasmidghost wrote: Ah fuck, I don't like this. The line on transitioning from the oil industry is absolutely needed and good but that is going to sink his chances in Texas so hard Here's a vague plan, but it hurts him in specific areas. However, he has to make the statement because his base half-believes he's a DINO on the issue. EDIT: seriously how was Biden = dino not a thing? that works on several levels. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
When Trump said who built the cages all biden had to say was i built the cages but you're the one that put babies in them after ripping them from their parents. Fuckin nuf said. I would have also ridden that abraham line home. That was one of the two moderately good comebacks. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11837 Posts
On October 23 2020 10:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The 'much better, much cheaper, always protecting pre-existing conditions' plan to replace Obamacare. It's a real plan folks, believe me. How many years can they keep on saying this without a plan lmao Well, it could actually exist. Would probably have to be some version of general healthcare. The US is just spending much more money than anyone else on healthcare without actually getting anything out of it than anyone else. So it shouldn't be impossible to have a plan which is better, cheaper and protects pre-existing conditions. All of Europe has those. On October 23 2020 11:24 LegalLord wrote: With all these climate change induced wildfires, I must have missed the part where we have this supposed "crystal clear" air. Graphite is a crystal, too. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 23 2020 14:18 Mohdoo wrote: /r/conservative is of course foaming at the mouth and insisting Trump won. Does anyone here agree? It feels like Trump needed a lot more than that to get anything done. Biden doesn't need 400 to win, he just needs more than Donald. Can he win the debate, yet not win hard enough to make it win the election? The early voting is already massive, and it definitely doesn't take into account whether or not Trump won a debate a couple days later. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 23 2020 14:22 Danglars wrote: Can he win the debate, yet not win hard enough to make it win the election? The early voting is already massive, and it definitely doesn't take into account whether or not Trump won a debate a couple days later. 2 separate things I guess. First, did he win, second, does this make people think he might win? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 23 2020 14:24 Mohdoo wrote: 2 separate things I guess. First, did he win, second, does this make people think he might win? I'll finish the debate after work Friday for a full answer. For what it's worth, my right-leaning friends tell me Trump won the debate, but it probably won't move the needle. Pennsylvania got a lot tougher with the oil comment and the fracking. Biden's full on all Obama's "successes," but only the VP for the failures. Further comment if anybody asks once I finish the whole thing. | ||
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