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Sermokala
United States13926 Posts
If they did their occupation in an American city they would need the military because it would get shot at same day. Other Canadian towns and other nations nipped these terrorist events in the bud. Ottowa just shit the bed from the start and refused to enforce the law. No politician is going to seriously compromise with economic terrorists and are just trying to figure out how to get the ottowa police to do their job. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On February 13 2022 19:20 emperorchampion wrote: Seems that it's a moot point anyways as Trudeau has already stated no military (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60364821_). Does / did Canada have any plans for easing measures prior to the protests? Countries should be moving away from restrictions soon, but doesn't seem quite the right time in Canada yet. Probably sometime in March. Assuming the situations doesn't change with a new variant, that would be the time to protest if no plans are in place to ease the restrictions. These anti-vax/anti-measure protests are quite embarrassing given the current situation (i.e., not out of omicron yet lol). That's one of the many things that's really bizarre about these protests and highlights their nature as created by grifters and scam artists to take advantage of poorly informed (mostly because of scam media) people, Canada's policies are easing pretty dramatically in the next month or so (varies by province) because all signs point to the Omicron wave either having peaked or peaking soon, with hospitalizations decreasing. After all, the supposed core issue here of international trucker vaccine mandates is not unilateral Canadian policy, and 90% of the Canadian truckers are fully vaccinated regardless. The cynical take is that that's exactly why they were organized at the current time by the incredibly shady people who planned and astroturfed them, including the neonazis who tried something identical in 2019-these pre-planned easings will be pointed to as the result of the protests, regardless of their preplanned nature. And in the meantime the grifters can grift away, feast on the US media attention, and build their personal brands. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 13 2022 22:23 Belisarius wrote: There's nothing sacred about a "nonviolent" protest. They are routinely broken up by police forces across the western world, as wombat said. It's interesting to compare this to groups like extinction rebellion chaining themselves to freeways. The truckies are, ironically, always first in line to see those guys get dragged off, and the rules are exactly the same here. If your peaceful protest is causing a significant disruption, the state can choose to exercise its monopoly on violence to move you on. It's obviously better to do so via the police, but given the hardware available to the protestors, perhaps that's not possible. Domestic use of the military is more of a red line in the US for historical reasons. I don't see it as a universal rule. I don't think there's a fundamental difference if the state delegates its monopoly to people wearing green as well as blue, provided it's done under the same rules of engagement as the police would use, and public opinion is supportive. Police dispersing a nonviolent protest? Yeah, that's fine, in principle. Might make you more or less popular at election time depending on what the political environment is. Deploying the military, branding them terrorists, or using violent means? There had better damn well be a bigger threat than merely blocking traffic to go there. It seems like Canada's government understands the subtleties of that better than the idiots calling for military force, which is a big relief. I'm not sure I like the French approach here though. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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JimmiC
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JimmiC
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
On February 13 2022 17:23 Lmui wrote: "peaceful" and only blocking 1/4 of the trade between USA and Canada. There are dramatic knock-on effects to people's lives and livelihood, and when police won't shut it down, military is the obvious escalation. They are loud, obnoxious and very much unrepresentative of the views of a a large majority. Antivax, racist protesters involved with the "trucker convoy" are clearly a loud minority. It's not often you get that much public support in favour of anything. Putting it into perspective, that's similar to public support for legalization of marijuana in Canada prior to legalization occurring (roughly 70% in 2016) https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/7-in-10-canadians-support-marijuana-legalization-nanos-poll-1.2968953 Well I didn't know that the protestors were both loud AND obnoxious. In light of that new information I guess use of the military is justified here. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
On February 13 2022 05:32 WombaT wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don’t know enough about the situation to comment with anything meaningful. Well, even less so than usual. The few Canadians I’m friends with on Facebook seem rather irked, but it was one of those stories I found irritating to read about so I’m mostly in the dark. Historically over here the military going in to any scenario was a huge escalation of potential force on the table, from what tidbits I’ve read it seems the military option is purely as the additional manpower is needed. Those numbers don’t remotely surprise me. I would say the majority of people are tolerant of illegal/disruptive protesting if they’re for the cause, and the inverse will apply. + Show Spoiler + Add to that a considerable level of pissed off over Covid, something I myself share. My first instinct is very much ‘fuck em’, although that is reined in when I think about it a bit more holistically. Especially as I’m not so au fait with the situation. Yep, this should be plainly obvious to anyone with the least bit of impartiality. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13926 Posts
Even looking at a non military response we've seen governments from new Zealand to Toronto and quebec do this crazy thing called enforcing laws and not having to deal with a day of terrorists trying to occupy a city. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On February 14 2022 07:44 Sermokala wrote: I don't know man the people who are going to lose their paychecks this week on both sides of the border as well as those that lost their's for a few weeks now due to harassment and violence by the terrorists probably would support the RCMP response that they've seen for the non-white protests. Even looking at a non military response we've seen governments from new Zealand to Toronto and quebec do this crazy thing called enforcing laws and not having to deal with a day of terrorists trying to occupy a city. Do you feel the same way about BLM protesters who got tens of people KILLED and billions of USD in damages? Did you also call them terrorists, at least some of them ? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44323 Posts
On February 14 2022 03:13 JimmiC wrote: 1/3 people gaain new symptoms 21 days or longer after covid, as more research into long covid comes. Just another reason it is nothing like the flu. Hoepfully these dont last that long as the cost and long term healthcare is going to get crazy. https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2022/2/11/22929040/coronavirus-patients-long-covid-19-symptoms This is especially concerning, and why the conversation surrounding covid has to include so much more than just the death rate. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13926 Posts
On February 14 2022 21:45 GoTuNk! wrote: Do you feel the same way about BLM protesters who got tens of people KILLED and billions of USD in damages? Did you also call them terrorists, at least some of them ? Yes, the ones that burned down buildings and looted them not the peaceful protestors who marched during the day. I don't know where you got the "billions of USD in damages" line from but when BLM was doing their protest the national guard came out really fast and started going really hard in places. They didn't wait weeks to politely start asking people to leave. They set a clear cerfew for the nighttime and then enforced said cerfew. CHAZ and the PNW is a whole different bucket of fish but we all knew they were crazies doing it to their own town. Most of the convoy terrorists are foreign-funded and from outside of Ottowa. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
On February 14 2022 07:44 Sermokala wrote: I don't know man the people who are going to lose their paychecks this week on both sides of the border as well as those that lost their's for a few weeks now due to harassment and violence by the terrorists probably would support the RCMP response that they've seen for the non-white protests. Even looking at a non military response we've seen governments from new Zealand to Toronto and quebec do this crazy thing called enforcing laws and not having to deal with a day of terrorists trying to occupy a city. Don't forget, they're not just terrorists. They are also racists and misogynists. | ||
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JimmiC
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44323 Posts
On February 15 2022 06:06 JimmiC wrote: What is your point? You keep making these little digs at people. What are you trying to say? Be direct. My understanding is that BJ is saying that there isn't any evidence that they're racist or misogynist (or terrorists?). | ||
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JimmiC
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