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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
All depends on how long this crisis will last. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1728 Posts
On March 15 2020 22:38 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: It's frankly alarming to me how badly german government and population are reacting. People are still acting as if nothing's going on. I fear that we will reach italy levels of bad before they wake up. They are saying the same thing in France, no comment regarding Spain. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
![[image loading]](https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/sites/consumer/files/2020-03/Coronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg) This picture is probably the best way of showing why we prefer people to only enter shops five at a time. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 16 2020 07:27 schaf wrote: I hope there are measures in place everywhere not only to keep healthcare centres open but also to prepare for the drastic shift in demand that will hit our economies. It's no longer feasible to be specialized in e.g. car making when the whole world basically needs the same goods. I'm really scared that it will not go down cooperatively between Nations / grand economies. All depends on how long this crisis will last. Making the crisis less intense (but possibly last longer until everyone has been infected) is the key here. Every resource has its limits, but much of it can be produced if we just have more time, be it medical goods or hospital services. That is why draconic public measures are in order to deal with this disease. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12475 Posts
Wonder how long this will stay online lol | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
What am I looking at | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
The site with most countries' official virus numbers. Link It got even better, actually, right before they fixed it: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/07CUiiE.png) | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On February 28 2020 10:08 Manifesto7 wrote: This thread is a place for you to share the ways the coronavirus is affecting your life. This isn't a thread for fear mongering or speculation. I live in Osaka, Japan. As of February 28th, a few things have changed. Large gatherings like my end-of-year work party have been canceled. Other events like graduations are either being scaled way down, or scrapped altogether. Pro sports are being canceled or played in empty stadiums. Yesterday the Prime Minister announced that schools would close Monday, extending into the spring break. In Japan, the new school year stars in April so this is essentially a month long spring break. Abe said that businesses would be compensated if their workers had to take time off, but that is only lip service, and nothing will change in Japan's work culture. Nursery schools for the very young will stay open. I am fortunate that my wife stays home, so she can watch the kids. Some of my friends are in much more difficult situations with elementary school aged kids. I, of course, still have to go to work because the hamster wheel can never stop spinning. As for supplies, masks are impossible to find anywhere. I have a bit of stock at home but I doubt their effectiveness anyway. I keep a supply of bottled water at home in case of earthquakes and typhoons, and my farming means I always have food, but depending on how things develop over the next week, I might go stock up some more. The system of tracking people in Japan is pretty good, and my confidence in local government remains high. The next big question is the Olympics, which would be a brutal punch to an already weakening economy in Japan. Any new thoughts on Japan? I am living in Tokyo, and based on my daily commute it seems like most working people are still going about their lives. Trains are still packed, and have been since the first cases were reported back in late January. But, it seems like the situation is far worse in Europe, where the virus arrived much later. I am trying to get a handle on why... obviously Japan is testing less, which hides the real number of cases, but there is no way to hide deaths and overwhelmed hospitals, right? And, it seems like that isn't happening, either. (Basing this solely on an apparent lack of press coverage) | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 16 2020 10:40 Popkiller wrote: Any new thoughts on Japan? I am living in Tokyo, and based on my daily commute it seems like most working people are still going about their lives. Trains are still packed, and have been since the first cases were reported back in late January. But, it seems like the situation is far worse in Europe, where the virus arrived much later. I am trying to get a handle on why... obviously Japan is testing less, which hides the real number of cases, but there is no way to hide deaths and overwhelmed hospitals, right? And, it seems like that isn't happening, either. (Basing this solely on an apparent lack of press coverage) Well, it certainly seems like it's getting worse in Japan, at least looking at the numbers. I think the difference between countries that are doing reasonably well and those that aren't is when they started. Japan's anti-infection measures weren't especially strong, but they started in January. Seems like those that took precautions in January (locking down borders and testing inbound flights from danger areas) have done far better than the countries that didn't start until mid-February or March. US and Europe definitely only started their response well after the crisis was already in motion. The prevalence of air travel in US & Europe compared to anywhere else in the world also contributes to the way in which this was able to spread far and wide. | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
On March 16 2020 10:40 Popkiller wrote: Any new thoughts on Japan? I am living in Tokyo, and based on my daily commute it seems like most working people are still going about their lives. Trains are still packed, and have been since the first cases were reported back in late January. But, it seems like the situation is far worse in Europe, where the virus arrived much later. I am trying to get a handle on why... obviously Japan is testing less, which hides the real number of cases, but there is no way to hide deaths and overwhelmed hospitals, right? And, it seems like that isn't happening, either. (Basing this solely on an apparent lack of press coverage) Japan's gorwth curve is really weird to me,I think Japan underreported. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24116 Posts
On March 16 2020 11:02 FBTsingLoong wrote: Japan's gorwth curve is really weird to me,I think Japan underreported. Wait till the world gets a grip on how radically the US has been underreporting. If/when we actually start testing at scale it'll be a lot more clear. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28851 Posts
But thousands of the would-be stadium goers had instead congregated together right outside the stadium. And there are so many examples of similar stories.. 'I'm not gonna miss out on SPRING BREAK' sort of thing. Going to work and shopping for groceries and taking any precautions you can while doing it, being diligent about washing hands, wearing masks, to me, seems like something that is less likely to spread this than people spending hours packed together while plainly not giving a fuck, and while Japan might have more of the former, I think Europe and the US has more of the latter. (Not saying the statistics for Japan are accurate. But European and american ones are far too low, too. ) | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 16 2020 11:07 GreenHorizons wrote: Wait till the world gets a grip on how radically the US has been underreporting. If/when we actually start testing at scale it'll be a lot more clear. I think we'll be an expedited version of the UK plan. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24116 Posts
On March 16 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote: I think we'll be an expedited version of the UK plan. That posters from the UK aren't freaking out is quite perplexing to me. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24116 Posts
On March 16 2020 11:17 Alaric wrote: The french government apparently considered assigning the population at home during this week-end's meetings specifically because a lot of people just straight up ignored all previous calls to behave sensibly (see all the ones in front of the restaurants or in parks and such). CDC put out a recommendation to stop gatherings over 50 people, many places in the US will ignore this, then we (Trump really) have to decide whether the president should enact martial law to enforce it. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 16 2020 11:09 Liquid`Drone wrote: There are just.. so many people in Europe, and presumably the US, who just flat out ignore the advice to stay home and avoid crowds. For example I was watching champions league on Wednesday between Paris Saint Germain and Borussia Dortmund and they played with an empty stadium. But thousands of the would-be stadium goers had instead congregated together right outside the stadium. And there are so many examples of similar stories.. 'I'm not gonna miss out on SPRING BREAK' sort of thing. Going to work and shopping for groceries and taking any precautions you can while doing it, being diligent about washing hands, wearing masks, to me, seems like something that is less likely to spread this than people spending hours packed together while plainly not giving a fuck, and while Japan might have more of the former, I think Europe and the US has more of the latter. (Not saying the statistics for Japan are accurate. But European and american ones are far too low, too. ) Yeah, the US is definitely exactly the same in this regard. Hell of a lot of people who straight up refuse to cancel their plans, virus be damned. I can't really blame people for not knowing how to react to a pandemic that is unprecedented for just about everyone who is alive today, but it does show us how bad we are at stopping something like this. The Asian countries at least have some experience with previous crises that seemed to start specifically in that part of the world, and have more effective responses to it. US and Europe both seem like the perfect storm of high mobility and low regard for infection risk that will cause the disease to spread far and wide. A year from now, when we will have a clearer picture of what happened, I doubt there will be a lot of countries that will be positively regarded in this whole thing. But I'm quite sure the US is going to be one of the worst off when all is said and done. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
This is an alternative way to show how social distancing works. There's no good news coming out from anywhere now. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On March 16 2020 06:31 SC-Shield wrote: Has government announced that they'll pay/help financially those who can't work? I think I've read that somewhere. If so, is it good enough? The House bill passed with broad support for paid time off, the details of which can be found googling news articles in whatever outlet you trust. Whether it's good enough is likely a politically divisive question, since the bipartisan bill involved both sides making sacrifices. It will be taken up by the Senate sometime early this week, and Trump announced his support. My governor is proposing all bars to close, restaurants to cut their capacity by 50% to increase "social distancing," and 65+(or vulnerable) to isolate at home. CA 335 confirmed (14% increase), 6 dead, 8315 test. (CA Newsom's address https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1239292526491652096, https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1239309418497363968) | ||
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