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There is one important thing that people who defend Blizzard and/or China here are missing. Especially when they try to play the "this is a sensitive topic for the Chinese" card. The thing is that this is a sensitive topic for anyone who values western democracy. The reason why this is such a shitstorm is in a large part that it is about China. Because we are basically at war with China at this point. It's a war that is not fought with weapons (so fat) but with money.
China is systematically trying to impose their authoritarian views on the world using their money. So when this happens in a field we care about, we get angry. Nobody can demand that we judge China "fairly" or look at this incident in a vacuum and compare it to othsr aimilar incidents and react the same. No, China is the enemy right now and we should treat it like that. It's not about the fact that they ignore human rights and torture minorities, it's personal.
It's almost ironic that at the very same time of this fiasco, there is another China story in my hometown - the new mayor decided that he wants to exclude "we support one China" from the partnership agreement between Prague and Beijing. China went ballistic, the ambassador made official threats of withdrawing.this and that investment and everything with "Prague" in the name has been banned in china - concerts cancelled and similar stuff. What is even worse, the Czech president is deep in the ass of China, so he started even more threats - luckily he has no leverage on the city council.
This is how China works. Just recently they bought Solomon Islands by a lit of promise of investment to stop recongizing ROC. And worse things are happening in places we don't even see, such as Africa, which is poor enough that they buy it left and right. They are not only buying economical influence, but political and they insist that nobody who gets their money criticises them. This is simply not acceptable, I refuse to bow to a totalitarian regime again after my country suffered under some for the better part of the 20th century.
This is why it is OK to overreact here and why none of the "genuine chinese citizens showing us their views" should be given any consideration. This is a war and propaganda is a key weapon in it, let's treat it as such.
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Well said indeed
What a bizar statement by Blizzard to wake up to btw after all these days. You'd think leadership/ pr departments could do better than this. I guess this is what days of, I'm gonna say negotiations with Chinese bodies, have allowed them to say.
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On October 12 2019 17:23 opisska wrote:
There is one important thing that people who defend Blizzard and/or China here are missing. Especially when they try to play the "this is a sensitive topic for the Chinese" card. The thing is that this is a sensitive topic for anyone who values western democracy. The reason why this is such a shitstorm is in a large part that it is about China. Because we are basically at war with China at this point. It's a war that is not fought with weapons (so fat) but with money.
China is systematically trying to impose their authoritarian views on the world using their money. So when this happens in a field we care about, we get angry. Nobody can demand that we judge China "fairly" or look at this incident in a vacuum and compare it to othsr aimilar incidents and react the same. No, China is the enemy right now and we should treat it like that. It's not about the fact that they ignore human rights and torture minorities, it's personal.
It's almost ironic that at the very same time of this fiasco, there is another China story in my hometown - the new mayor decided that he wants to exclude "we support one China" from the partnership agreement between Prague and Beijing. China went ballistic, the ambassador made official threats of withdrawing.this and that investment and everything with "Prague" in the name has been banned in china - concerts cancelled and similar stuff. What is even worse, the Czech president is deep in the ass of China, so he started even more threats - luckily he has no leverage on the city council.
This is how China works. Just recently they bought Solomon Islands by a lit of promise of investment to stop recongizing ROC. And worse things are happening in places we don't even see, such as Africa, which is poor enough that they buy it left and right. They are not only buying economical influence, but political and they insist that nobody who gets their money criticises them. This is simply not acceptable, I refuse to bow to a totalitarian regime again after my country suffered under some for the better part of the 20th century.
This is why it is OK to overreact here and why none of the "genuine chinese citizens showing us their views" should be given any consideration. This is a war and propaganda is a key weapon in it, let's treat it as such.
“Anyway, RPC is totalitarian, so all his actions are wrong.ONLY our Western World of Democracy and Freedom can save world.What a Heroic epic！”You can write this in a more sensational way, and converge your intentions so that you can be an opinion leader.
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Agreed, very nicely put opisska.
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On October 12 2019 03:04 Xlancer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2019 18:50 just-pick-warren wrote:
Two things I find surprising here:
1. The amount of Tlers who are with Blizzard / China on this are exceptionally high, compared to other forums.
2. The audacity of Blizzard to say politics have no place in their games. Probably because posters on this website tend to be older and more mature... I remember being a young, outraged, hotheaded teen, but age tends to give one the ability to understand the validity of multiple view points. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm correct and you're wrong. International sporting competitions have to be apolitical to survive. Think of the Olympics and FIFA. Would they allow athletes to hold up signs or make statements that support a revolutionary separatist movement in a UN recognized nation? I am personally sympathetic with the Hong Kong protest movement (They are culturally separate from mainland China and don't even speak the same language), but I am disgusted by people ruining my sporting events by bringing their political tribalism to the event. Let's just enjoy the event and discus politics later over a beer.
HK、Macao、Guangdong and Guangxi use Cantonese（means Guangdong language,a Mainland Province who have Shenzhen and Guangzhou near Hong Kong）
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So Blizz went 8 notches back from 10/10 nuclear.
Good. So #boycottBlizzard did something. There is blood in the water. Now buff Terran.....
Blizzard should know, they are being watched. I hope that this "3 days of thinking" will not lead into more opression on the employees to not lt incidents like this surface (E.g. Rules to stream with 3 minutes of delay to cut out everyhting).
You are not a political company, but if you have to, at least have the balls to stand with basic human rights and freedom.
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I am kinda wondering if we will have any incidents during the ongoing LoL Worlds Championship. Riot games is owned by Tencent but the championship is played in Europe (Paris, Berlin, Madrid). We also have one Hong-Kong team (2 players from KH 2 from Taiwan and 1 Korean) and 3 Chinese teams playing. It is unlikely they will play each other though.
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On October 12 2019 18:16 Silvanel wrote:
I am kinda wondering if we will have any incidents during the ongoing LoL Worlds Championship. Riot games is owned by Tencent but the championship is played in Europe (Paris, Berlin, Madrid). We also have one Hong-Kong team (2 players from KH 2 from Taiwan and 1 Korean) and 3 Chinese teams playing. It is unlikely they will play each other though.
Riot games has issued a related announcement.In fact, HK、TW and CN games are common, as long as no one shouts political slogans in this sensitive period.
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On October 12 2019 17:23 opisska wrote:
There is one important thing that people who defend Blizzard and/or China here are missing. Especially when they try to play the "this is a sensitive topic for the Chinese" card. The thing is that this is a sensitive topic for anyone who values western democracy. The reason why this is such a shitstorm is in a large part that it is about China. Because we are basically at war with China at this point. It's a war that is not fought with weapons (so fat) but with money.
China is systematically trying to impose their authoritarian views on the world using their money. So when this happens in a field we care about, we get angry. Nobody can demand that we judge China "fairly" or look at this incident in a vacuum and compare it to othsr aimilar incidents and react the same. No, China is the enemy right now and we should treat it like that. It's not about the fact that they ignore human rights and torture minorities, it's personal.
It's almost ironic that at the very same time of this fiasco, there is another China story in my hometown - the new mayor decided that he wants to exclude "we support one China" from the partnership agreement between Prague and Beijing. China went ballistic, the ambassador made official threats of withdrawing.this and that investment and everything with "Prague" in the name has been banned in china - concerts cancelled and similar stuff. What is even worse, the Czech president is deep in the ass of China, so he started even more threats - luckily he has no leverage on the city council.
This is how China works. Just recently they bought Solomon Islands by a lit of promise of investment to stop recongizing ROC. And worse things are happening in places we don't even see, such as Africa, which is poor enough that they buy it left and right. They are not only buying economical influence, but political and they insist that nobody who gets their money criticises them. This is simply not acceptable, I refuse to bow to a totalitarian regime again after my country suffered under some for the better part of the 20th century.
This is why it is OK to overreact here and why none of the "genuine chinese citizens showing us their views" should be given any consideration. This is a war and propaganda is a key weapon in it, let's treat it as such.
It's a shitstorm, because you consider China an enemy now. But when trade agreement is sign are you gonna become friends again? China since long ago is considered an enemy by the west, but because the past 10 years they are threatening to overtake the US as the world top economy that's why the rhetoric has been lifted. You say people should ignore the views of 1.4 billion people, because you consider them the enemy, does not mean that everyone here does.
I guess because people label someone an enemy and others as friends, is why westerners don't get as aggressive when their allies like Israel or Saudi Arabia inflict as great or greater abuse of human rights then China.
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On October 12 2019 18:22 aSpeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2019 18:16 Silvanel wrote:
I am kinda wondering if we will have any incidents during the ongoing LoL Worlds Championship. Riot games is owned by Tencent but the championship is played in Europe (Paris, Berlin, Madrid). We also have one Hong-Kong team (2 players from KH 2 from Taiwan and 1 Korean) and 3 Chinese teams playing. It is unlikely they will play each other though. Riot games has issued a related announcement.In fact, HK、TW and CN games are common, as long as no one shouts political slogans in this sensitive period.
I know they are common, but given the latest surge of emotions and political climate i am wondering if someone will do something. Particularly someone from audience since its in Europe.
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On October 12 2019 18:40 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2019 17:23 opisska wrote:
There is one important thing that people who defend Blizzard and/or China here are missing. Especially when they try to play the "this is a sensitive topic for the Chinese" card. The thing is that this is a sensitive topic for anyone who values western democracy. The reason why this is such a shitstorm is in a large part that it is about China. Because we are basically at war with China at this point. It's a war that is not fought with weapons (so fat) but with money.
China is systematically trying to impose their authoritarian views on the world using their money. So when this happens in a field we care about, we get angry. Nobody can demand that we judge China "fairly" or look at this incident in a vacuum and compare it to othsr aimilar incidents and react the same. No, China is the enemy right now and we should treat it like that. It's not about the fact that they ignore human rights and torture minorities, it's personal.
It's almost ironic that at the very same time of this fiasco, there is another China story in my hometown - the new mayor decided that he wants to exclude "we support one China" from the partnership agreement between Prague and Beijing. China went ballistic, the ambassador made official threats of withdrawing.this and that investment and everything with "Prague" in the name has been banned in china - concerts cancelled and similar stuff. What is even worse, the Czech president is deep in the ass of China, so he started even more threats - luckily he has no leverage on the city council.
This is how China works. Just recently they bought Solomon Islands by a lit of promise of investment to stop recongizing ROC. And worse things are happening in places we don't even see, such as Africa, which is poor enough that they buy it left and right. They are not only buying economical influence, but political and they insist that nobody who gets their money criticises them. This is simply not acceptable, I refuse to bow to a totalitarian regime again after my country suffered under some for the better part of the 20th century.
This is why it is OK to overreact here and why none of the "genuine chinese citizens showing us their views" should be given any consideration. This is a war and propaganda is a key weapon in it, let's treat it as such. It's a shitstorm, because you consider China an enemy now. But when trade agreement is sign are you gonna become friends again? China since long ago is considered an enemy by the west, but because the past 10 years they are threatening to overtake the US as the world top economy that's why the rhetoric has been lifted. You say people should ignore the views of 1.4 billion people, because you consider them the enemy, does not mean that everyone here does. I guess because people label someone an enemy and others as friends, is why westerners don't get as aggressive when their allies like Israel or Saudi Arabia inflict as great or greater abuse of human rights then China.
Western-style democracy and freedom always exist when western need them and be forgotten when they are unfavorable to the West.It's really hypocritical.That's why most Chinese don't believe West.
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On October 12 2019 18:40 raga4ka wrote:
I guess because people label someone an enemy and others as friends, is why westerners don't get as aggressive when their allies like Israel or Saudi Arabia inflict as great or greater abuse of human rights then China. So you don't consider yourself a westerner then, despite listing yourself as from Bulgaria? I suppose the cat is out of its bag. And if you read out poltical threads, you will see near universal condemnation against Isreal and Saudi Arabia, far greater than any against Chinese repression.
We can condemn Isreal, we can condemn Saudi Arabia, freely without fear, we can condemn any country in the world without fear, we can condemn against our own governments without fear, and we can condemn China, without fear, all at the same time. Meanwhile the PRC kidnap booksellers even from outside their country.
On October 12 2019 19:08 aSpeaker wrote:
Western-style democracy and freedom always exist when western need them and be forgotten when they are unfavorable to the West.It's really hypocritical.That's why most Chinese don't believe West. I exercised my democracy and freedom when I vote for my representatives in the House of Commons. I exercised my freedoms when I can criticize my government, and constantly do so, without fear. I can freely visit Westminster without fear of dying. What happens to those who demonstrate in Tiananmen Square?
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On October 12 2019 19:08 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2019 18:22 aSpeaker wrote:On October 12 2019 18:16 Silvanel wrote:
I am kinda wondering if we will have any incidents during the ongoing LoL Worlds Championship. Riot games is owned by Tencent but the championship is played in Europe (Paris, Berlin, Madrid). We also have one Hong-Kong team (2 players from KH 2 from Taiwan and 1 Korean) and 3 Chinese teams playing. It is unlikely they will play each other though. Riot games has issued a related announcement.In fact, HK、TW and CN games are common, as long as no one shouts political slogans in this sensitive period. I know they are common, but given the latest surge of emotions and political climate i am wondering if someone will do something. Particularly someone from audience since its in Europe.
First of all, they certainly won't punish the audience.If it had been broadcast in real time, Chinese audiences might not have seen it. Of course, they should skip this section by director. Nobody want to get into small trouble.Weibo is no cool than twitter.Tencent is sure to make some announcements.Generally speaking, it will cause trouble to others. Don't do it.Just enjoy game.
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On October 12 2019 18:40 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2019 17:23 opisska wrote:
There is one important thing that people who defend Blizzard and/or China here are missing. Especially when they try to play the "this is a sensitive topic for the Chinese" card. The thing is that this is a sensitive topic for anyone who values western democracy. The reason why this is such a shitstorm is in a large part that it is about China. Because we are basically at war with China at this point. It's a war that is not fought with weapons (so fat) but with money.
China is systematically trying to impose their authoritarian views on the world using their money. So when this happens in a field we care about, we get angry. Nobody can demand that we judge China "fairly" or look at this incident in a vacuum and compare it to othsr aimilar incidents and react the same. No, China is the enemy right now and we should treat it like that. It's not about the fact that they ignore human rights and torture minorities, it's personal.
It's almost ironic that at the very same time of this fiasco, there is another China story in my hometown - the new mayor decided that he wants to exclude "we support one China" from the partnership agreement between Prague and Beijing. China went ballistic, the ambassador made official threats of withdrawing.this and that investment and everything with "Prague" in the name has been banned in china - concerts cancelled and similar stuff. What is even worse, the Czech president is deep in the ass of China, so he started even more threats - luckily he has no leverage on the city council.
This is how China works. Just recently they bought Solomon Islands by a lit of promise of investment to stop recongizing ROC. And worse things are happening in places we don't even see, such as Africa, which is poor enough that they buy it left and right. They are not only buying economical influence, but political and they insist that nobody who gets their money criticises them. This is simply not acceptable, I refuse to bow to a totalitarian regime again after my country suffered under some for the better part of the 20th century.
This is why it is OK to overreact here and why none of the "genuine chinese citizens showing us their views" should be given any consideration. This is a war and propaganda is a key weapon in it, let's treat it as such. It's a shitstorm, because you consider China an enemy now. But when trade agreement is sign are you gonna become friends again? China since long ago is considered an enemy by the west, but because the past 10 years they are threatening to overtake the US as the world top economy that's why the rhetoric has been lifted. You say people should ignore the views of 1.4 billion people, because you consider them the enemy, does not mean that everyone here does. I guess because people label someone an enemy and others as friends, is why westerners don't get as aggressive when their allies like Israel or Saudi Arabia inflict as great or greater abuse of human rights then China.
You did notice he is talking about Prague (which is in Czech Republic) so why are You dragging Isreal and Saudi Arabia into this? Are Czechs going around bombing other countries? Is Isreal or SA ally of Czech republic?
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The hypocrisy of the West is exactly what people are upset about. This particular outrage is against Blizzards' hypocritical stance of growth prospects (money) over human rights, freedom of speech and other such values.
I wonder what an act of protest like this would look like in China.
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We know what it looks like; it looks like Tiananmen Square.
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On October 12 2019 19:08 aSpeaker wrote:
Western-style democracy and freedom always exist when western need them and be forgotten when they are unfavorable to the West.It's really hypocritical.That's why most Chinese don't believe West.
In every system of government there is always gonna be a certain level of hyporcrisy. So this is a pretty nonsensical reason to "not believe the west".
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On October 12 2019 19:21 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
We know what it looks like; it looks like Tiananmen Square.
Indeed
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On October 12 2019 19:16 aSpeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2019 19:08 Silvanel wrote:On October 12 2019 18:22 aSpeaker wrote:On October 12 2019 18:16 Silvanel wrote:
I am kinda wondering if we will have any incidents during the ongoing LoL Worlds Championship. Riot games is owned by Tencent but the championship is played in Europe (Paris, Berlin, Madrid). We also have one Hong-Kong team (2 players from KH 2 from Taiwan and 1 Korean) and 3 Chinese teams playing. It is unlikely they will play each other though. Riot games has issued a related announcement.In fact, HK、TW and CN games are common, as long as no one shouts political slogans in this sensitive period. I know they are common, but given the latest surge of emotions and political climate i am wondering if someone will do something. Particularly someone from audience since its in Europe. First of all, they certainly won't punish the audience.If it had been broadcast in real time, Chinese audiences might not have seen it. Of course, they should skip this section by director. Nobody want to get into small trouble.Weibo is no cool than twitter.Tencent is sure to make some announcements.Generally speaking, it will cause trouble to others. Don't do it.Just enjoy game. I suspect anyone in the audience holding up a Hong Kong sign to be removed by security. They cant do much more then that but they can throw you out of the building.
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