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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 12 2022 00:06 GMT
#2241
Eh...?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-19 11:31:54
August 19 2022 11:10 GMT
#2242
On July 28 2022 22:15 Manit0u wrote:


It seems people are really betting on a crash.


When you say people you mean Burry. He bets on a crash every year. And when it happens everyone says Burry was right.

The bad side of it is that many investors think Burry is a god and they follow his lead.

When Burry says crash, what does he really mean? Back to the stone age?

Is he talking about 10k? 5k? 1k? Yeah, you can see that there isnt any realistic deep crash coming because that means we would have to go back to stone age and everything is worth zero.

The man even sold all his positions and bought a prison company, lul. Which is controlled by the government. Talk about high risk investment.

As a side-note, does he have any short positions? I would gladly like to know. If he doesnt, he cant be serious about the crash as thats how he makes money. Putting fear in people and buy Put Options.

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This is the man ure talking about:

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Simply no clue what hes doing.

This boggles my mind, if it ever goes up to say 20 it would be solely because his followers pumped it up:

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 19 2022 13:43 GMT
#2243
We seen this episode before...

The US mortgage industry is seeing its first lenders go out of business after a sudden spike in lending rates, and the wave of failures that’s coming could be the worst since the housing bubble burst about 15 years ago.

There’s no systemic meltdown coming this time around, because there hasn’t been the same level of lending excesses and because many of the biggest banks pulled back from mortgages after the financial crisis. But market watchers nonetheless expect a string of bankruptcies broad enough to trigger a spike in layoffs in an industry that employs hundreds of thousands of workers, and potentially an increase in some lending rates. More of the business is now controlled by independent lenders, and with mortgage volumes plunging this year, many are struggling to stay afloat.

“The nonbanks are poorly capitalized,” said Nancy Wallace, chair of the real estate group at Berkeley Haas, the business school at University of California, Berkeley. “When the mortgage market tanks they are in trouble.”

In 2004, only about a third of the top 20 lenders for refinancings were independent firms. Last year, two-thirds of the top 20 were non-bank lenders, according to LendingPatterns.com, which analyzes the industry for mortgage lenders. Since 2016, banks have seen their share of the market shrink to about a third from about half, according to news and data provider Inside Mortgage Finance.

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Many of the so-called shadow lenders will emerge from this slowdown relatively unscathed. But some lenders have already stopped operating or scaled down dramatically, including and Sprout Mortgage and First Guaranty Mortgage Corp. Both specialized in riskier lending that isn’t eligible for government backing.

First Guaranty, a company that according to court papers is majority owned by fixed-income giant Pacific Investment Management Co., filed for bankruptcy, saying it failed after it made loans earlier this year that dropped in value. It was holding onto those loans until it had enough to bundle into bonds and sell to investors, and it had been temporarily funding them with a line of credit.

Once interest rates started to climb, lending volume shrank across the industry, according to court papers. That meant the company could no longer find enough new loans to bundle, or get enough financing to keep operating, said First Guaranty’s chief executive officer, Aaron Samples. Firms included Flagstar Bank and Customers Bank are owed about $418 million, according to court documents.

First Guaranty employed 600 people before it filed bankruptcy in June and made $10.6 billion in loans last year, according to court records. Days before seeking court protection, the company fired 471 workers because it couldn’t get enough financing to overcome a cash crunch.

Independent lenders gained a toehold in the market because banks pulled back so much after the 2008 financial crisis, which started with excessive lending in mortgages. Regulators have often encouraged the retreat, and it’s still happening: Wells Fargo & Co., the biggest Wall Street firm in the US mortgage business, plans to shrink its home loan empire, Bloomberg reported this week.

Unlike banks, independent lenders often don’t have emergency programs they can tap for financing when times get tough, nor do they have stable deposit funding. They depend on credit lines that tend to be short-term and depend on mortgage prices. So when they’re stuck with bad assets, they face margin calls and potentially go under.

Many independent lenders have managed their risk well, and for lenders that work extensively with government-backed companies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the situation is less dire. They can often get emergency funding from government-sponsored enterprises if they run into difficulty. But those lenders that make riskier loans and work less often with the GSEs have fewer options when they face margin calls.

“Part of the reason these companies are distressed is because the loans can’t go to the GSEs for funding,” said David Goodson, head of securitized credit at Voya Investment Management, in a phone interview. “The options for funding are more limited which is especially painful when financial conditions are tightening.”

Margin Calls

Many other lenders have seen the value of their loans drop, said Scott Buchta, head of fixed-income strategy at Brean Capital, an independent investment bank. The Federal Reserve has tightened rates by 2.25 percentage points this year in an effort to tame inflation, and 30-year US mortgage rates have surged above 5% for government-backed loans. That’s close to their highest levels since the financial crisis, from around 3.1% at the end of last year.

That’s beaten down the value of home loans made just a few months ago. A mortgage made in January and not eligible for government backing could have traded in early August somewhere around 85 cents on the dollar. Lenders usually try to make loans worth somewhere around 102 cents to cover their upfront costs.

For a lender whose loans dropped to 85 cents, the losses can be debilitating, even if they aren’t realized yet. On top of that, business is broadly plunging. Overall mortgage application volume has plunged by more than 50% this year, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. These business conditions are spurring banks that provide lines of credit known as warehouses to make margin calls and cut credit.

“The warehouse lenders in this industry seem to be extremely on top of things in this downturn, unlike in ‘08,” said bankruptcy attorney Mark Power, who is representing creditors in the First Guaranty bankruptcy. “They are making margin calls quickly.”

Banks have emergency funding they can tap in times of crisis, which can often allow them to stay afloat in hard times. But not always: emergency financing from the Federal Reserve is usually only available for solvent institutions with a chance of recovering. In the last downturn, so many banks had so many soured loans and struggling assets of all kinds that hundreds failed. Nonbanks went bust as well.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 20 2022 21:53 GMT
#2244
bear market rally is over, nuke it
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-21 07:33:52
August 21 2022 07:32 GMT
#2245
Posted a few days back in the Ukraine thread that sanctions against Ukraine were clearly hurting Europe especially Germany far more than Russia.I will post the latest data here due to it being economy related.

Latest news from Bloomberg is stating German natural gas prices are 11x higher than normal.Prices have doubled past two months.Year ahead electricity price $540 megawatt hour up from $40 Mw/h two years ago.

Obviously this is and will have a serious impact on German industry as implied by the title ‘Germany Risks a Factory Exodus as Energy Prices Bite Hard’.Expect a very severe recession in Germany unless there is some miracle.

Original Bloomberg article : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-19/germany-risks-a-factory-exodus-as-energy-prices-bite-hard#xj4y7vzkg

Non paywall archive link : https://archive.ph/qHlio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
August 21 2022 08:32 GMT
#2246
Can you at least put a number on your claims so we can make fun of you next year?

Like the Russian economy is expected to contract anywhere between 5 and 15 percent. So according to you a "very severe" recession in Germany is at least a 5 percent contraction, right?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-22 03:57:03
August 22 2022 03:53 GMT
#2247
This paper analyzes retail trading costs across broker-dealers across individual stock trades. Interesting results:

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And for reference:
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"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-22 22:55:35
August 22 2022 22:47 GMT
#2248
On August 21 2022 16:32 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Posted a few days back in the Ukraine thread that sanctions against Ukraine were clearly hurting Europe especially Germany far more than Russia.I will post the latest data here due to it being economy related.

Latest news from Bloomberg is stating German natural gas prices are 11x higher than normal.Prices have doubled past two months.Year ahead electricity price $540 megawatt hour up from $40 Mw/h two years ago.

Obviously this is and will have a serious impact on German industry as implied by the title ‘Germany Risks a Factory Exodus as Energy Prices Bite Hard’.Expect a very severe recession in Germany unless there is some miracle.

Original Bloomberg article : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-19/germany-risks-a-factory-exodus-as-energy-prices-bite-hard#xj4y7vzkg

Non paywall archive link : https://archive.ph/qHlio


Looks pretty obvious, but better use Ukraine war as a scapegoat for two decades of bad decisions. Electricity prices already had started an exponential trend before the war (from 40 late 2020 to 180 early 2022, with a quick peak over 300 end of 2021!)

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Everyone knew, even Trump who's not the brightest when it comes to geopolitics. Notice how he specifically says "from expansionist foreign powers", which means there was a risk Russia would invade neighbors to expand territory. Germans laugh at him when he stated these obvious facts in 2018:



Meanwhile Schröder is enjoying his millions from Gazprom and Rosneft.

clown world
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 22 2022 23:39 GMT
#2249
I'm glad Europe has finally come around to buying US molecules of freedom in unprecedented quantities.

Whether or not we should be selling our freedom LNG when it's in short supply is another question, but it's at least good to know that we can do it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-26 13:54:32
August 26 2022 13:49 GMT
#2250
Powell expected to speak shortly.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 26 2022 14:41 GMT
#2251
On August 26 2022 22:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Powell expected to speak shortly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTvm8SvVb_A


central banks are stuck between a rock and a hard place... can't raise rates, can't print more money

ww3 probably the only outcome

market shorted everything prior to the speech after the PCE pump, thank you Jerome
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 26 2022 15:22 GMT
#2252
Well the Market is down over 500 points so far.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 26 2022 18:20 GMT
#2253
So were basically in a recession we just don't know it yet, or are simply ignoring it. Also quoting Greenspan and Bernanke is not very impressive seeing how they are both responsible for the largest economic disaster that has ever hit the world. As well as lackluster response to it and made it worse and longer.

Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell signaled the US central bank is likely to keep raising interest rates and leave them elevated for a while to stamp out inflation, and he pushed back against any idea that the Fed would soon reverse course.

“Restoring price stability will likely require maintaining a restrictive policy stance for some time,” Powell said Friday in remarks at the Kansas City Fed’s annual policy forum in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. “The historical record cautions strongly against prematurely loosening policy.”

He said restoring inflation to the 2% target is the central bank’s “overarching focus right now” even though consumers and businesses will feel economic pain. He reiterated that another “unusually large” increase in the benchmark lending rate could be appropriate when officials gather next month, though he stopped short of committing to one.

“Our decision at the September meeting will depend on the totality of the incoming data and the evolving outlook,” he said.

Two-year Treasury yields. rose as investors digested the remarks, pushed as high as 3.44% while the 2- to 10-year yield curve resumed its flattening. Equities were lower.

Prior to Powell’s speech, investors saw the odds of a half-point or another three-quarter point hike at the Fed’s Sept. 20-21 gathering as roughly even. They remained in that vicinity after he spoke, but the amount of reductions in fed rates priced for 2023 briefly retreated.

Mark Spindel, chief investment officer at MBB Capital Partners, said the resolute tone of Powell’s speech points to another large rate rise next month.

“Failure to back that up with another 75 basis point increase would cheapen his talk,” Spindel said, noting that Powell took pains to quote former chairs Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker and Ben Bernanke, invoking the Fed’s Hall of Fame to bolster his message.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 26 2022 19:54 GMT
#2254
On August 27 2022 00:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well the Market is down over 500 points so far.


and 160 points just in the past few hours - didn't expect this to age so well so quickly lol
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 26 2022 20:03 GMT
#2255
Finishes down 1,008 points lol

Congrats to all the shorts, if there were any. You just made a fortune today.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 26 2022 20:12 GMT
#2256
On August 27 2022 05:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Finishes down 1,008 points lol

Congrats to all the shorts, if there were any. You just made a fortune today.


oh you're talking about NQ, I was talking about SPX, but yeah no big difference

crypto was a really cool short as well, printed.
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-27 14:21:57
August 27 2022 14:20 GMT
#2257
On August 27 2022 03:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So were basically in a recession we just don't know it yet, or are simply ignoring it. Also quoting Greenspan and Bernanke is not very impressive seeing how they are both responsible for the largest economic disaster that has ever hit the world. As well as lackluster response to it and made it worse and longer.

Show nested quote +
Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell signaled the US central bank is likely to keep raising interest rates and leave them elevated for a while to stamp out inflation, and he pushed back against any idea that the Fed would soon reverse course.

“Restoring price stability will likely require maintaining a restrictive policy stance for some time,” Powell said Friday in remarks at the Kansas City Fed’s annual policy forum in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. “The historical record cautions strongly against prematurely loosening policy.”

He said restoring inflation to the 2% target is the central bank’s “overarching focus right now” even though consumers and businesses will feel economic pain. He reiterated that another “unusually large” increase in the benchmark lending rate could be appropriate when officials gather next month, though he stopped short of committing to one.

“Our decision at the September meeting will depend on the totality of the incoming data and the evolving outlook,” he said.

Two-year Treasury yields. rose as investors digested the remarks, pushed as high as 3.44% while the 2- to 10-year yield curve resumed its flattening. Equities were lower.

Prior to Powell’s speech, investors saw the odds of a half-point or another three-quarter point hike at the Fed’s Sept. 20-21 gathering as roughly even. They remained in that vicinity after he spoke, but the amount of reductions in fed rates priced for 2023 briefly retreated.

Mark Spindel, chief investment officer at MBB Capital Partners, said the resolute tone of Powell’s speech points to another large rate rise next month.

“Failure to back that up with another 75 basis point increase would cheapen his talk,” Spindel said, noting that Powell took pains to quote former chairs Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker and Ben Bernanke, invoking the Fed’s Hall of Fame to bolster his message.


Source


Two consecutive quarters of negative growth has already been reached. How do we not know it yet?

While already knowing this you can expect the shock already hit and is priced in.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 27 2022 15:13 GMT
#2258
On August 27 2022 23:20 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2022 03:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So were basically in a recession we just don't know it yet, or are simply ignoring it. Also quoting Greenspan and Bernanke is not very impressive seeing how they are both responsible for the largest economic disaster that has ever hit the world. As well as lackluster response to it and made it worse and longer.

Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell signaled the US central bank is likely to keep raising interest rates and leave them elevated for a while to stamp out inflation, and he pushed back against any idea that the Fed would soon reverse course.

“Restoring price stability will likely require maintaining a restrictive policy stance for some time,” Powell said Friday in remarks at the Kansas City Fed’s annual policy forum in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. “The historical record cautions strongly against prematurely loosening policy.”

He said restoring inflation to the 2% target is the central bank’s “overarching focus right now” even though consumers and businesses will feel economic pain. He reiterated that another “unusually large” increase in the benchmark lending rate could be appropriate when officials gather next month, though he stopped short of committing to one.

“Our decision at the September meeting will depend on the totality of the incoming data and the evolving outlook,” he said.

Two-year Treasury yields. rose as investors digested the remarks, pushed as high as 3.44% while the 2- to 10-year yield curve resumed its flattening. Equities were lower.

Prior to Powell’s speech, investors saw the odds of a half-point or another three-quarter point hike at the Fed’s Sept. 20-21 gathering as roughly even. They remained in that vicinity after he spoke, but the amount of reductions in fed rates priced for 2023 briefly retreated.

Mark Spindel, chief investment officer at MBB Capital Partners, said the resolute tone of Powell’s speech points to another large rate rise next month.

“Failure to back that up with another 75 basis point increase would cheapen his talk,” Spindel said, noting that Powell took pains to quote former chairs Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker and Ben Bernanke, invoking the Fed’s Hall of Fame to bolster his message.


Source


Two consecutive quarters of negative growth has already been reached. How do we not know it yet?

While already knowing this you can expect the shock already hit and is priced in.



Yet the Markets, everywhere, don't seem to be reflecting that. Last week's semi rally only to collapse after the latest Fed speech.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
August 28 2022 16:16 GMT
#2259
You will always have short term reaction on FED changes. This is short term fear. It doesnt mean we are still in a bear market. Noone bases their investing decisions when FED changes occur but long before that, when the talk is going on of possible changes which poses fear in the market long term.

Most institutional investors are loading their portfolios full of stocks at this moment. This is at least what im seeing in the Swedish market. Most board members are loading up heavily since a month ago also, starting roughly at beginning of July.

We are still up 25% since covid crash 2020. (~10k). Which is worth remembering. After a long bull rally we have had a shorter bear rally. Its a healthy market. Up 25% instead of 70% ~(16,7k) in roughly 2 years.

~12,5 seems like a noteworthy point of interest for most investors.

As i mentioned in my earlier post i dont see good reasons for the market resetting (~10k). We are not in a 2008 financial position this time around.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 28 2022 23:49 GMT
#2260
US Futures down nearly 300 points.

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/DM1:IND#xj4y7vzkg
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