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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13990 Posts
July 19 2022 05:39 GMT
#2221
Celsius bankruptcy proceedings are going to be interesting to watch. They claimed a $1.2 bill hole in their sheets but that includes valuations on a crypto that has no value arm and a bunch of other crypto that's staked. What value is a judge going to rule on these assets compared to all their liabilities?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17341 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-19 13:23:04
July 19 2022 12:53 GMT
#2222
Ray Dalio has revealed a $10B short position in Europe and is supposedly building an even bigger one in the US.

I guess it's time to strap in for some rough times... Burry's tweets aren't encouraging either.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 21 2022 12:32 GMT
#2223
The European Central Bank raised its key interest rate by 50 basis points, the first increase in 11 years and the biggest since 2000 as it confronts surging inflation even as recession risks mount.

With Italy enduring a fresh bout of political turmoil, President Christine Lagarde and colleagues also unveiled a tool they hope will ensure markets don’t push up borrowing costs too aggressively in vulnerable economies, as happened in 2012 when the euro’s very existence was questioned.
Thursday’s move aligns the ECB with a global push to tighten and ends an eight-year experiment with subzero borrowing costs. The ECB said in a statement that further normalization of interest rates will be appropriate at upcoming meetings.

“The frontloading today of the exit from negative interest rates allows the Governing Council to make a transition to a meeting-by-meeting approach to interest rate decisions,” it said, refraining from guidance on the size of future hikes.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-22 05:25:39
July 22 2022 05:24 GMT
#2224
I put like 3600$ total into BTC, LTC, ETH, chainlink, and a couple others like last year between april and june and they have mostly just been failing. I think I got in at the worst possible time. Its barely at 930$ right now.
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4854 Posts
July 22 2022 14:53 GMT
#2225
When everyone is bullish, sell.
When everyone is bearish, buy. That's one lesson I've learnt anyway.

Something I've been wondering: on a deeper level, TA (reading the chart) is basically a superficial way of trying to understand the market. I've read that, if you have direct market access as a taker or maker (I think this is institutional grade trader?), you get to see how these patterns are formed. Where am I going with this is the following: I can wrap my head around wedges, but why is a bear flag bearish and why is a cup and handle pattern bullish? What does it mean in terms of price action? Can anyone offer a deeper level of insight, or refer me to a good medium I can learn all about this?
Taxes are for Terrans
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42973 Posts
July 22 2022 15:13 GMT
#2226
On July 22 2022 23:53 Uldridge wrote:
When everyone is bullish, sell.
When everyone is bearish, buy. That's one lesson I've learnt anyway.

Something I've been wondering: on a deeper level, TA (reading the chart) is basically a superficial way of trying to understand the market. I've read that, if you have direct market access as a taker or maker (I think this is institutional grade trader?), you get to see how these patterns are formed. Where am I going with this is the following: I can wrap my head around wedges, but why is a bear flag bearish and why is a cup and handle pattern bullish? What does it mean in terms of price action? Can anyone offer a deeper level of insight, or refer me to a good medium I can learn all about this?

TA is astrology for traders.
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 24 2022 20:54 GMT
#2227
LOL

It is not a recession if we say it isn't !

https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2022/07/21/how-do-economists-determine-whether-the-economy-is-in-a-recession/

What is a recession? While some maintain that two consecutive quarters of falling real GDP constitute a recession, that is neither the official definition nor the way economists evaluate the state of the business cycle. Instead, both official determinations of recessions and economists’ assessment of economic activity are based on a holistic look at the data—including the labor market, consumer and business spending, industrial production, and incomes. Based on these data, it is unlikely that the decline in GDP in the first quarter of this year—even if followed by another GDP decline in the second quarter—indicates a recession.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4338 Posts
July 25 2022 08:48 GMT
#2228
Yup, two negative quarters are no longer a recession.It’s a recession only when we say it’s a recession.

Just another example of a failing government denying reality, there are plenty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
July 26 2022 10:10 GMT
#2229
afaik the NBER being the ones determining when we are in a recession is not a new thing. Two consecutive negative quarters was commonly accepted but never the official definition
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden757 Posts
July 27 2022 18:12 GMT
#2230
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/federal-reserve-interest-rates-fomc-monetary-policy-decision-july-2022-140540265.html

Federal Reserve raises interest rates by 0.75%, matching June's historic move
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 27 2022 18:17 GMT
#2231
Truly making history with a move up to 2.25%. Well done on the inflation control.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 27 2022 19:57 GMT
#2232
Rivian laying off another 6% of staff.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 28 2022 12:32 GMT
#2233
Recession it is.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17341 Posts
July 28 2022 13:15 GMT
#2234


It seems people are really betting on a crash.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-01 21:20:53
August 01 2022 21:20 GMT
#2235
The zombie of China Evergrande is back with a vengeance.

China’s banks face mortgage losses of $350 billion in a worst-case scenario as confidence plunges in the nation’s property market and authorities struggle to contain deepening turmoil.

A spiraling crisis of stalled projects has dented the confidence of hundreds of thousands of homebuyers, triggering a mortgage boycott across more than 90 cities and warnings of broader systemic risks. The big question now is not if, but how much it will batter the nation’s $56 trillion banking system.

In a worst-case scenario, S&P Global Ratings estimated that 2.4 trillion yuan ($356 billion), or 6.4% of mortgages, are at risk while Deutsche Bank AG is warning that at least 7% of home loans are in danger. So far, listed banks have reported just 2.1 billion yuan in delinquent mortgages as directly affected by the boycotts.

“Banks are caught in the middle,” said Zhiwu Chen, a professor of finance at the University of Hong Kong Business School. “If they don’t help the developers finish the projects, they would end up losing much more. If they do, that of course would make the government happy, but they add more to their exposure to delayed real estate projects.”

Already rattled by headwinds from slowing economic growth, Covid disruptions and record high youth unemployment, Beijing is placing financial and social stability at the top of its priorities. Efforts that have been contemplated so far included a grace period on mortgage payments and a central bank-backed fund to lend financial support to developers. Either way, banks are expected to play an active role in a concerted state bailout.

Here are five charts to show why the crisis could escalate and undermine financial stability:

The exposure of Chinese banks to the property sector tops that of any other industry. There were 39 trillion yuan of outstanding mortgages and another 13 trillion yuan of loans to developers at the end of March, according to data from the People’s Bank of China.

The real estate market is “the ultimate foundation” for financial stability in China, Teneo Holdings managing director Gabriel Wildau said in a note this month.

As authorities move to keep risks in check, lenders with high exposure could come under greater scrutiny. Mortgages accounted for about 34% of total loans at Postal Savings Bank of China Co. and China Construction Bank Corp. at the end of 2021, above a regulatory cap of 32.5% for the biggest banks.

About 7% of outstanding mortgage loans could be impacted if the defaults spread, according to Deutsche Bank analyst Lucia Kwong. That estimate may still be conservative given the limited access to information on the unfinished projects, she said.

To limit the fallout, China could tap into the excess capital and surplus loan provisions at its 10 biggest lenders, which amounts to a combined 4.8 trillion yuan, according to a report by Francis Chan and Kristy Hung, analysts at Bloomberg Intelligence.

Local banks -- city and rural commercial lenders -- could shoulder more responsibility than state peers, based on earlier bailouts and also due to their stronger ties with local governments, though their capital buffers lag far behind industry average.

Chinese banks have raised a record amount of capital in the first half from bond sales as they prepare for a potential spike in soured loans.

Bad loans at lenders, which amounted to 2.9 trillion yuan at the end of March, are poised to reach new records and further strain an economy that’s expanding at the slowest pace since the onset of the Covid outbreak.

While China’s total debt-to-GDP is forecast to climb to a fresh record this year, consumers have been reluctant to take on more leverage. That has ignited a debate over the risk of China falling into a “balance sheet recession,” with households and companies cutting back on spending and investing.

Disposable income growth is slowing, further hurting the ability of homebuyers to service their debts. China’s home price weakness had spread to 48 of 70 major cities in June, up from 20 in January.

S&P Global forecast home sales could drop as much as 33% this year amid the mortgage boycott, further squeezing the liquidity of distressed developers and leading to more defaults. Some 28 of the top 100 developers by sales have either defaulted on bonds or negotiated debt extensions with creditors over the past year, according to Teneo.

Property investments, which drive demand for goods and services that account for about 20% of the nation’s gross domestic product, plunged 9.4% in June.

Bank earnings are at stake. After recording the fastest profit expansion in nearly a decade last year, the nation’s lenders face a challenging 2022 as the government pressures them to support the economy at the cost of earnings.

A 10 percentage-point slowdown in real estate investment growth translates into a 28 basis-point increase in overall bad loans, meaning a 17% decline in their 2022 earnings, Citigroup analysts led by Judy Zhang estimated in a July 19 report.

The Hang Seng index of mainland banks has plunged 12% this month.


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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
August 06 2022 13:57 GMT
#2236
On July 22 2022 23:53 Uldridge wrote:
When everyone is bullish, sell.
When everyone is bearish, buy. That's one lesson I've learnt anyway.

Something I've been wondering: on a deeper level, TA (reading the chart) is basically a superficial way of trying to understand the market. I've read that, if you have direct market access as a taker or maker (I think this is institutional grade trader?), you get to see how these patterns are formed. Where am I going with this is the following: I can wrap my head around wedges, but why is a bear flag bearish and why is a cup and handle pattern bullish? What does it mean in terms of price action? Can anyone offer a deeper level of insight, or refer me to a good medium I can learn all about this?


Technical analysis(TA) is largely malarkey. TA tends to be what courses sell because the concept that you have skill and can demonstrate it with charts is compelling. Even moreso when you focus on charts where the method does well and ignore those where it failed, or otherwise manipulate the data to fit your chosen method of charting. Worst of all, you can take the same stock and have one group trade it one way while another group - both in your courses - trades entirely differently. Survivor makes bank, and the loser clearly 'didn't apply the technique properly'.

Quantitative and fundamental analysis is how professional institutions tend to trade. When blended, it tends to be roughly 75% Quant, 25% Fundamental. That said, many institutions default to fundamental analysis. The average institution holds a portfolio of roughly 70 undiversified stocks and trades along internal models rather than academic ones. Academic models tend to have low explanatory power regarding these undiversified, overly active (inefficient) portfolios, as the average institution does not constantly optimize towards the academic model. Rather, the average institution tends to attempt forward-looking fundamental predictions.
I would caution investors away from attempting fundamental predictions themselves for several reasons:
1. Institutional traders tend to be fully aware of the risks associated with the institutional style of trading.
2. Many professional investors choose to invest their own money in VT and similar ETFs in order to pursue an optimal, systematic investment strategy.
3. The research capabilities, time, and energy of an institution is not easily accessible to the average retail trader.
4. If you don't know what you're doing you can end up holding the junkiest stocks like prizes instead of treating them like the launching pieces of a rocket (Think of ARKK).

At the end of the day, I really think quantitative investing is just the best way to go about it. Even if that quantitative strategy is as simple as holding a market portfolio of some sort.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
gennila
Profile Joined August 2022
1 Post
August 07 2022 14:46 GMT
#2237
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4338 Posts
August 10 2022 09:29 GMT
#2238
Imagine passing a $739 billion spending bill in Congress called the Inflation Reduction Act.Wow.

Anyway the next monthly US CPI numbers are due out in a few hours with a big drop expected.Previous 1.3%, Expected 0.2%, which seems reasonable since oil has dropped off and that was a huge part of prior increases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-10 12:23:06
August 10 2022 12:17 GMT
#2239
cpi numbers today. Looking at europe official inflation numbers are still far behind the actual inflation and i doubt this will be different for the usa.
Real inflation (the goods that matter for the average consumer) is aproaching 20% in some parts of europe. Imagine losing 10-20% purchase power in 1 year while the economy is not in a recession (this goes for at least halve the population).
The official inflation number still has a lot of catching up to do before it could potentially start dropping.

Todays numbers i dont know. Maybe they will be "good" but then the next number will be extra bad and a disapointment again. The fed isnt fighting inflation,they are trying to prevent a meltdown of the economy and the financial markets. While at the same time also trying to protect the dollar.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 10 2022 13:11 GMT
#2240
US inflation decelerated in July by more than expected, reflecting lower energy prices, which may take some pressure off the Federal Reserve to continue aggressively hiking interest rates.

The consumer price index increased 8.5% from a year earlier, cooling from the 9.1% June advance that was the largest in four decades, Labor Department data showed Wednesday. Prices were unchanged from the prior month. A decline in gasoline offset increases in food and shelter costs.

So-called core CPI, which strips out the more volatile food and energy components, rose 0.3% from June and 5.9% from a year ago. The core and overall measures came in below forecast.

The data may give the Fed some breathing room, and the cooling in gas prices, as well as used cars, offers respite to consumers. But annual inflation remains high at more than 8% and food costs continue to rise, providing little relief for President Joe Biden and the Democrats ahead of midterm elections.


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