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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-08 21:02:43
January 08 2023 20:54 GMT
#1221
Lula speaking.



edit: Lula declares a federal intervention in the Federal District's public security apparatus until Jan 31...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-09 00:31:48
January 09 2023 00:30 GMT
#1222
Bolsonaro has denounced the violent storming of National congress, and denied he had anything to do with today's events.


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
January 09 2023 00:41 GMT
#1223
Im really surprised more people arent getting shot and killed by the police during things like this.

I could see the crowd getting worse if the police shoot and are severely out numbered/positioned but I feel like the right wingers globally are being emboldened by the lack of strong response to events like these.

I cant speak for Brazil, but in the US on Jan 6th some of those people deserved to be shot. If you enter a government building with a weapon you are playing a dangerous game.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
January 09 2023 04:35 GMT
#1224
Apparently some of the security forces were sympathetic to the protestors and did not intervene. Might explain how this was allowed to happen.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-23 14:50:51
January 23 2023 14:49 GMT
#1225
Good news. Makes me wonder if they try and replant some tress after the arrests.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 10 2023 00:46 GMT
#1226
Fernando Villavicencio has been assassinated.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 19 2023 23:50 GMT
#1227
So it appears Argentina has elected Javier Milei as president....
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
November 20 2023 00:46 GMT
#1228
On November 20 2023 08:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So it appears Argentina has elected Javier Milei as president....

Its going to be an insane few years. A nation with an economy the size of Virginia going 100% into the dollar is something that hasn't been seen from the times of colonies.

Argentina is a resource-rich country with enormous potential for further development. The country has the second-largest shale gas and fourth-largest shale oil reserves in the world, as well as abundant solar and wind energy resources.
Argentina features the third-largest proven lithium reserves, after Chile and Australia, and is expected to become a leading exporter over the next decade. More than 70 percent of Argentina’s proven lithium resources are yet to be exploited.
U.S. expertise, technology, and equipment are needed to further develop critical sectors of the economy, such as energy, mining, information & communications technology, infrastructure, and agriculture, among others.
The country is digitally capable, with high internet penetration and smart phone use.


US corporations are going to take over Argentina. He will be in power on December 10th.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
November 20 2023 03:07 GMT
#1229
On November 20 2023 09:46 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2023 08:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So it appears Argentina has elected Javier Milei as president....

Its going to be an insane few years. A nation with an economy the size of Virginia going 100% into the dollar is something that hasn't been seen from the times of colonies.
Show nested quote +

Argentina is a resource-rich country with enormous potential for further development. The country has the second-largest shale gas and fourth-largest shale oil reserves in the world, as well as abundant solar and wind energy resources.
Argentina features the third-largest proven lithium reserves, after Chile and Australia, and is expected to become a leading exporter over the next decade. More than 70 percent of Argentina’s proven lithium resources are yet to be exploited.
U.S. expertise, technology, and equipment are needed to further develop critical sectors of the economy, such as energy, mining, information & communications technology, infrastructure, and agriculture, among others.
The country is digitally capable, with high internet penetration and smart phone use.


US corporations are going to take over Argentina. He will be in power on December 10th.

This certainly feels all-too familiar…
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-20 05:48:22
November 20 2023 05:46 GMT
#1230
On November 20 2023 12:07 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2023 09:46 Sermokala wrote:
On November 20 2023 08:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So it appears Argentina has elected Javier Milei as president....

Its going to be an insane few years. A nation with an economy the size of Virginia going 100% into the dollar is something that hasn't been seen from the times of colonies.

Argentina is a resource-rich country with enormous potential for further development. The country has the second-largest shale gas and fourth-largest shale oil reserves in the world, as well as abundant solar and wind energy resources.
Argentina features the third-largest proven lithium reserves, after Chile and Australia, and is expected to become a leading exporter over the next decade. More than 70 percent of Argentina’s proven lithium resources are yet to be exploited.
U.S. expertise, technology, and equipment are needed to further develop critical sectors of the economy, such as energy, mining, information & communications technology, infrastructure, and agriculture, among others.
The country is digitally capable, with high internet penetration and smart phone use.


US corporations are going to take over Argentina. He will be in power on December 10th.

This certainly feels all-too familiar…

The CIA never had the balls to dollarize a nation it couped. But yeah it looks a lot like a neo-banana republic situation.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12559 Posts
November 20 2023 14:38 GMT
#1231
Over under on how many months before the libertarians say he's not a real libertarian and that's why Argentina is fucked up?
No will to live, no wish to die
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
November 20 2023 14:58 GMT
#1232
Argentina was already fucked up long before Milei was elected. Perronism is a disaster.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12559 Posts
November 20 2023 15:00 GMT
#1233
On November 20 2023 23:58 RvB wrote:
Argentina was already fucked up long before Milei was elected. Perronism is a disaster.


And yet it's going to get so much worse
No will to live, no wish to die
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 20 2023 15:27 GMT
#1234
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12559 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-20 15:51:38
November 20 2023 15:50 GMT
#1235
Populism is a range of political stances that emphasize the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group with "the elite". As long as there are social hierarchies in the world, it will be definitionally true that there is on one side the people and on the other side the elite. You can observe that the opposite of populism is not the belief that there is not the people on one side and the elite on the other, instead it's elitism, which is siding with the elite against the people as opposed to siding with the people against the elite. Comically, the political group that will insist the people and the elite are not separate is actually fascism.

Populism, in its accurate political definition, describes the world accurately, and therefore cannot be dumb. But liberals like to pretend that populism means something similar to demagoguery instead of what it actually means, because it allows them to attack "the populist left" by claiming it is comparable to dumbass rightwingers like Milei. Since they don't have a very good criticism of leftist principles, this shortcut is extremely useful in propaganda, and unfortunately a lot of people accept the framing uncritically.
No will to live, no wish to die
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 20 2023 16:44 GMT
#1236
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12559 Posts
November 20 2023 17:00 GMT
#1237
From what I've seen AMLO and Lula are pretty cool. Corbyn would have been amazing.
No will to live, no wish to die
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-20 17:18:08
November 20 2023 17:14 GMT
#1238
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
November 21 2023 01:54 GMT
#1239
On November 21 2023 00:00 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2023 23:58 RvB wrote:
Argentina was already fucked up long before Milei was elected. Perronism is a disaster.


And yet it's going to get so much worse

Maybe. Peronism is what caused Argentina to be the only country to go from high income to what it is now. I doubt Milei will have anywhere close to the same effect.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12559 Posts
November 21 2023 03:32 GMT
#1240
On November 21 2023 10:54 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2023 00:00 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 20 2023 23:58 RvB wrote:
Argentina was already fucked up long before Milei was elected. Perronism is a disaster.


And yet it's going to get so much worse

Maybe. Peronism is what caused Argentina to be the only country to go from high income to what it is now. I doubt Milei will have anywhere close to the same effect.


Depends on how wild they let him run I'm assuming. Some of Trump's crazy is performance, he is obviously very stupid but there is an understanding that he's playing for an audience there. It's always hard to tell and it's not like I've followed any of this closely but this guy's crazy seems much more genuine, I don't think there's an audience for hearing voices that aren't there on national television or for speaking to your dead dog for political advice.
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