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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41074 Posts
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Sadist
United States6978 Posts
I could see the crowd getting worse if the police shoot and are severely out numbered/positioned but I feel like the right wingers globally are being emboldened by the lack of strong response to events like these. I cant speak for Brazil, but in the US on Jan 6th some of those people deserved to be shot. If you enter a government building with a weapon you are playing a dangerous game. | ||
gobbledydook
Australia2590 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13538 Posts
On November 20 2023 08:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So it appears Argentina has elected Javier Milei as president.... Its going to be an insane few years. A nation with an economy the size of Virginia going 100% into the dollar is something that hasn't been seen from the times of colonies. Argentina is a resource-rich country with enormous potential for further development. The country has the second-largest shale gas and fourth-largest shale oil reserves in the world, as well as abundant solar and wind energy resources. Argentina features the third-largest proven lithium reserves, after Chile and Australia, and is expected to become a leading exporter over the next decade. More than 70 percent of Argentina’s proven lithium resources are yet to be exploited. U.S. expertise, technology, and equipment are needed to further develop critical sectors of the economy, such as energy, mining, information & communications technology, infrastructure, and agriculture, among others. The country is digitally capable, with high internet penetration and smart phone use. US corporations are going to take over Argentina. He will be in power on December 10th. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20688 Posts
On November 20 2023 09:46 Sermokala wrote: Its going to be an insane few years. A nation with an economy the size of Virginia going 100% into the dollar is something that hasn't been seen from the times of colonies. US corporations are going to take over Argentina. He will be in power on December 10th. This certainly feels all-too familiar… | ||
Sermokala
United States13538 Posts
The CIA never had the balls to dollarize a nation it couped. But yeah it looks a lot like a neo-banana republic situation. | ||
Nebuchad
Switzerland11350 Posts
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RvB
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11350 Posts
On November 20 2023 23:58 RvB wrote: Argentina was already fucked up long before Milei was elected. Perronism is a disaster. And yet it's going to get so much worse | ||
JimmiC
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11350 Posts
Populism, in its accurate political definition, describes the world accurately, and therefore cannot be dumb. But liberals like to pretend that populism means something similar to demagoguery instead of what it actually means, because it allows them to attack "the populist left" by claiming it is comparable to dumbass rightwingers like Milei. Since they don't have a very good criticism of leftist principles, this shortcut is extremely useful in propaganda, and unfortunately a lot of people accept the framing uncritically. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22790 Posts
On November 21 2023 00:50 Nebuchad wrote: Populism is a range of political stances that emphasize the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group with "the elite". As long as there are social hierarchies in the world, it will be definitionally true that there is on one side the people and on the other side the elite. You can observe that the opposite of populism is not the belief that there is not the people on one side and the elite on the other, instead it's elitism, which is siding with the elite against the people as opposed to siding with the people against the elite. Comically, the political group that will insist the people and the elite are not separate is actually fascism. Populism, in its accurate political definition, describes the world accurately, and therefore cannot be dumb. But liberals like to pretend that populism means something similar to demagoguery instead of what it actually means, because it allows them to attack "the populist left" by claiming it is comparable to dumbass rightwingers like Milei. Since they don't have a very good criticism of leftist principles, this shortcut is extremely useful in propaganda, and unfortunately a lot of people accept the framing uncritically. I guess show me a smart populism government then. So far from what I’ve seen it speaks as your describe but then it just swaps who the elite are. They constantly get rid of checks and balances because those are slowing down their revolution or change. Some how no matter how much power they gain they can’t defeat the others or elite as you describe. Every failing is their fault but from the outside it is pretty easy to see they boil every complex problem down to this simple us vs them and use that for their own personal game. Left and right do it the same with just different branding. There seems very little understanding of the complexities of government trying to operate over millions of mostly self interested humans. I’m not sure they are all lying, and likely (hopefully)not at first. It’s just easier to blame some group than it is try to tackle these unbelievably complicated systems. I do prefer the left over the right populists, there branding works better in me because it is less hateful. But that is becoming less true as it gets angrier. “Killing all capitalists” really is not that different from killing all terrorists or whatever the group. It is super easy to brand anyone as that and than justify the action. | ||
Nebuchad
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JimmiC
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On November 21 2023 02:00 Nebuchad wrote: From what I've seen AMLO and Lula are pretty cool. Corbyn would have been amazing. Lula I’m not sure on, I guess it depends if you believe all the corruption stuff was made up by the enemies. I have trouble looking at the Brazilian Olympics and believe that. I would vote for him over the other option mind you, but I would want more and better than both for Brazil. I know even less about AMLO, one of the kids on my kids hockey team is Mexican they have been here about 8 years I chat with the dad all the time but we have not talked about that. Mostly about where is from, why he left and how you can stay safe there. I have to say about all I know about his job on the Cartels has been a pretty epic failure, but no one has done a good job there. Completely disagree on Corbyn an optimistic view on him was he was not hard enough on antisemitism, I’m not super optimistic on him. https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/21/do-not-forget-jeremy-corbyn-failure-on-antisemitism | ||
RvB
Netherlands6075 Posts
Maybe. Peronism is what caused Argentina to be the only country to go from high income to what it is now. I doubt Milei will have anywhere close to the same effect. | ||
Nebuchad
Switzerland11350 Posts
On November 21 2023 10:54 RvB wrote: Maybe. Peronism is what caused Argentina to be the only country to go from high income to what it is now. I doubt Milei will have anywhere close to the same effect. Depends on how wild they let him run I'm assuming. Some of Trump's crazy is performance, he is obviously very stupid but there is an understanding that he's playing for an audience there. It's always hard to tell and it's not like I've followed any of this closely but this guy's crazy seems much more genuine, I don't think there's an audience for hearing voices that aren't there on national television or for speaking to your dead dog for political advice. | ||
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