South American Politics thread - Page 3

On April 09 2019 08:00 JimmiC wrote:


I can post just as many things about Maduro being and so forth. it is an absolute quagmire. Lets hope it doesn't turn into a civil war.

On April 09 2019 09:28 JimmiC wrote:
And if Russia cuba Iran and China stop supporting Maduro there is no civil war and fair and free elections can happen.

On April 10 2019 00:36 JimmiC wrote:



I understand why you think the US is hoping for a war, not only is the story that Maduro and his propaganda machine have been posting, and also the far left media. But also the US has in the past done it so it makes the theory believable. (it is strange to me that the far left supports Maduro when he is so far from being a socialist, but that is neither here nor there) Also, appointing a slimeball like Abrams to manage it with his history only gave credibility to this theory.

However, we are now months in, and no invasion has happened. Even when Maduro and his men refused aid, shot and killed indigenous people(the poorest of the poor, thanks for being a socialist...) for trying to get aid, kidnapped journalists, kidnapped Guaido's chief of staff, Russian military showing up, and so on. There has been a lot of reasons that the US could have used to invade if they wanted to.

They have shown they are happy to sanction the Oil and more than that they have frozen as many of the assets of the government leaders as possible. It is amazing how many Billionaires and Millionaires there are in positions of power in Venezuela (draw your own conclusions about how socialist they are). Then they are letting the infrastructure that was poorly maintained to begin with fail.

This strategy has it's down sides, like it hurts everyone in Venezuela not just Maduro. But I prefer over the invasion. I would prefer both would just agree to elections. Lets not forget Guaido is not naming himself President. He is naming himself interm president until they can have elections.

Also, lets not pretend like the "people" support Maduro, some do some don't. The last free election held their the oposition won 70% of the seats before Maduro disbanded them. There are also over 3 million people who have fled as refugee's who would most certainly not support him.

So I understand why you think the US is evil and anything it supports must be evil. But the countries supporting Maduro are just as bad if not worse and as I have mentioned the refugee's I have talked to (none who have light skin) are very supportive of Guaido, in fact they want military intervention because they believe that is the only way Maduro will leave. I hope they are wrong.


I wish Maduro was actually confident he had his peoples support and was like fine, I'll hold fair free elections, they can be oversaw by the UN, Russia and who ever else wants to. I'll free all the political prisoners I've captured and tortured and lets see who supports who. I wouldn't even be surprised if some one other than Guaido won, but I would be super shocked if Maduro won, without the actions of the Cuban secret police and muscle of the colectivos I think his support would diminish greatly.

On April 10 2019 01:07 JimmiC wrote:
Because they think any change is a good change since right now all the oil money is being stolen by Maduro/china/Russia/various drug gangs. The US thinks that it would be better if corporate America was getting that. I also don't think that everyone involved is completely evil (though some are) and would like it to be better for the people. But mainly I think the US involvement is about getting the money to their corporations instead of in the hands of their enemy's. And in those regards it is very sad that Maduro did such a shitty job running the country that this is a better alternative.

On April 10 2019 02:12 JimmiC wrote:


Because the people are leaving by the millions because they are starving to death. As bad as you think America is I believe Russia is worse. Also all that Guiado is calling for is free and fair elections their is no Guarantee he will win. Perhaps an ACTUAL socialist will emerge. Venezuela is far more of a corrupt narco state than it is a socialist one right now. And I'll take neo liberal over Narco any day of the week.

In an interview on Monday, Bolsonaro appeared to say that he might single-handedly decide if Brazil needs to join a potential US-led military incursion against the Maduro government.

“What can Brazil do? Suppose there is a military invasion there [from the United States]. The decision will be mine, but I will listen to the National Defense Council and then the Parliament,” Bolsonaro pledged.

Back in February, Brazilian Vice President Hamilton Mourão flatly rejected the possibility of Brazil serving as a staging ground for a US invasion. Mourão argued that, for foreign troops to be stationed in Brazil, Bolsonaro would need to receive a green light from the National Congress, which at present is reluctant to back such a militaristic move.

On April 10 2019 05:08 JimmiC wrote:

And everything I have read says otherwise about the popularity. I Guaido wouldn't win, but in free and fair elections the popular well known opposition would be freed from jail or allowed to return to the country from either their exile or escaping jailing and torturing.

To your first point. Why then are millions leaving? Or do you think that is all made up? If it's the later I think you are drinking some wild kool-aid. If it is the first I'd be interested in an alternative reason for the mass exodus.

Also, glad your back and I appreciate the new tone.