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nojok
France15846 Posts
On October 13 2018 06:12 Wegandi wrote: Man is it breezy today. I think the wind is whistling past my ears it's so breezy. (This is me visualizing whoosh by the way if it wasn't obvious all ready) https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ Chinese jokers infiltrated the NASA? | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On October 13 2018 06:12 Wegandi wrote: Man is it breezy today. I think the wind is whistling past my ears it's so breezy. (This is me visualizing whoosh by the way if it wasn't obvious all ready) This climate change skepticism is just a veneer for a form of nihilism which doesn’t care the world will end, just as long as you can “own the libs” by being a troll online. Actually, I’m fully expecting that in about twenty years a place like Florida will be home to raving mobs of evangelical lunatics proudly anticipating the end of times, anxious for the great collapse that will wash away humanity’s sins and purge it of homosexuals, liberals and unbelievers, akin to the self-flagellants that sprung up during the Black Plague and combined a ghoulish exhibitionism with pogroms against Jews. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On October 13 2018 06:30 Grumbels wrote: This climate change skepticism is just a veneer for a form of nihilism which doesn’t care the world will end, just as long as you can “own the libs” by being a troll online. Actually, I’m fully expecting that in about twenty years a place like Florida will be home to raving mobs of evangelical lunatics proudly anticipating the end of times, anxious for the great collapse that will wash away humanity’s sins and purge it of homosexuals, liberals and unbelievers, akin to the self-flagellants that sprung up during the Black Plague and combined a ghoulish exhibitionism with pogroms against Jews. For a second I thought I was reading one of Ta-nehisi Coastes' screeds of black pessimism. The destruction is equally Biblical in scope although less colorful in description. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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KwarK
United States43971 Posts
On October 13 2018 03:47 Wegandi wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/10/16/cut-all-foreign-aid-that-would-be-dumb-and-dangerous/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cd2186dda85a It would be dangerous and dumb to cut aid to our "allies" says the Post (or if you want to be more precise the always lovely Jennifer Rubin). I wonder how the Post feels now. /shrug Foreign aid is a form of soft power, and it's certainly cheaper and more cost effective than using force. The purpose of it is that it comes with strings attached, and the threat of cutting it off. Ending all foreign aid preemptively when people are doing what you want is dumb because it's a cheap way to get them to do what you want so ending it is a bad idea. Ending foreign aid when they don't do what you want is smart because it punishes them for not doing what you want and incentivises them to start doing what you want. The whole point of it is that it's something you can start and stop, and that control of that gives you power. Randomly stopping it all is dumb. Never stopping it under any circumstances is dumb. Stopping it when you don't get what you want, and resuming it when you do get what you want, is the whole damn point. You might as well say "the Washington post advocated for consumption of water, but then later they had a piece on drowning, WHICH IS IT, PICK A SIDE LIBTARDS!?" | ||
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
What is going on here | ||
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KwarK
United States43971 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
Hes not all black people, hes a black person, talking with the president, being called racial slurs and made out to be a race traitor, how is that acceptable? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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KwarK
United States43971 Posts
On October 13 2018 12:23 Taelshin wrote: People can tell the difference between MS13 and Immigrants. It's pretty telling that you cannot. Hes not all black people, hes a black person, talking with the president, being called racial slurs and made out to be a race traitor, how is that acceptable? It's not acceptable to call him racial slurs. It is acceptable to criticize his politics. If anything, it's essential to criticize his politics. His politics are absurd and idiotic. They are laughable. The man is an idiot. It's not racist to say so. You're doing the weird thing people on the American right always do when they trot out their token minority supporter. The problem is that you genuinely believe the idea of identity politics you're projecting onto others. It's not about the speaker, it's the message. You can't have a black guy say the same dumb shit Trump says and have it be any less dumb. Liberals don't automatically agree with any black person they hear. If you give your political opponents credence for having political depth beyond nodding at whatever a member of an aggrieved minority says then suddenly this will all make sense to you. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
Here's a couple from top of google: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/11/don-lemon-kanye-west-trump-oval-office-tsr-vpx-sot.cnn I give up | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 13 2018 12:23 Taelshin wrote: People can tell the difference between MS13 and Immigrants. It's pretty telling that you cannot. Hes not all black people, hes a black person, talking with the president, being called racial slurs and made out to be a race traitor, how is that acceptable? He said the slaves chose to be enslaved. I'm not sure I could think of a more comically race traitory thing to say if I tried. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On October 13 2018 12:59 Taelshin wrote:... You seem to be missing where the media was criticizing him by using racial slurs. ... You seem to be missing the very first sentence of Kwark's post. On October 13 2018 12:33 KwarK wrote: It's not acceptable to call him racial slurs. Not that I think this case is comparable to the "animals" thing anyway (I'm not super interested in discussing that in the thread though, if you really badly want to discuss it PM me). | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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Ryzel
United States550 Posts
On October 13 2018 11:54 Taelshin wrote: I appreciate how silly it looks that Trump is meeting with Kanye while the SA/turkey/Yemen thing is going on but some of the things said by the media in the last couple days has been sickening. Notice a complete lack of opinion about Kanye himself or whether or not he agrees with his politics (if anything, it implies a negative opinion of him). You both (KwarK and Taelshin) literally agreed about the main premise of the post (racial slurs are unacceptable), but because KwarK made a mistaken assumption that Taelshin's issue was calling Kanye dumb and not calling Kanye an n-word, he went on the offensive. Let me help focus this topic... 1. Is it currently acceptable in any circumstance for anyone (including a black person) to refer to a black person as a "negro"? I don't have a lot of personal experience among the black community to know if being called a "negro" is very insulting, but I would assume it is. "Negro" seems to have negative connotations that conjure Southern whites pre-1970s who are most likely to use the term, who often used it in a negative light. I would imagine the use of "negro" being used by the media here, specifically "negro who can't read" and "token negro", are attempts to co-opt what a stereotypical Southern white would say and apply that stereotype to the "right", as if to say "this is how people on the right view Kanye". Whether or not or how much that's true, it's a very broad generalization which is difficult to prove, and of course it's also calling someone a borderline racial slur. If I'm wrong about how bad the word "negro" is though, feel free to enlighten me. 2. Is it currently acceptable in any circumstance for anyone (including a black person) to refer to another black person as an n-word? Consensus is that it's fine for a black person to call another black person an n-word DEPENDING ON CONTEXT, although some have a huge problem with it. My understanding of the word is that it's very difficult to conjure the visceral negative connotations of the word without a racial disparity existing between the person saying it and the person hearing it, especially white to black, but again I could be wrong. 3. Is it Is it currently acceptable in any circumstance for anyone (including a black person) to refer to another black person as a "race traitor"? This is arguably the most difficult to determine IMO, as I would imagine it feels very personally insulting to be on the receiving end of (you are going against a part of who you are, you are betraying your family and community, etc.), but it is also an actual concept that warrants discussion. The implication of this term is that there are a set of core values/beliefs that every member of a skin color ("race") shares, and that someone is a "race traitor" if they share the same skin color but not the set of core values/beliefs. The most obvious issue with that premise is that it relies on a consensus agreement of what those core values/beliefs are, and that to my knowledge has never been defined. Is it 70% of all members of the black (African) race that have to agree? Is it 80%? How is this consensus proven? Is it documented? Is being against slavery actually inherent to the African race? What about black slaveholders that existed in America, ancient tribal warfare in Africa, and current African warlords? Were the Gestapo and German death camp guards race traitors when they facilitated the deaths of other white people? Were the members of Pol Pot's regime race traitors? It seems like when they refer to "race traitor", they're referring to the African-American "Black Lives Matter"ish cultural block specifically. That block does have significant intermember consensus on a variety of core values/beliefs, and it is much more conceivable for one to be a traitor to a group like that. I understand that since a lot of their core values/beliefs involve empowering the African race, that they would say "to go against the values/beliefs of our group is to be a race traitor", but at the same time it's also misleading. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
It's far worse if Kanye West said that his ancestors 'chose' to be enslaved. Like infinitely, incredibly worse. I don't see what's controversial about calling him a token black. That's been a Republican thing for ages. 'We're not racist, look, here's this black guy who also thinks every bad thing is his own people's fault'. Did a google search, all I get back are reports from Fox News. Anyone want to clue me in here? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 13 2018 22:15 iamthedave wrote: Haven't seen the racial slurs in question but it's pretty goddamn awful if they are using them. It's far worse if Kanye West said that his ancestors 'chose' to be enslaved. Like infinitely, incredibly worse. I don't see what's controversial about calling him a token black. That's been a Republican thing for ages. 'We're not racist, look, here's this black guy who also thinks every bad thing is his own people's fault'. Did a google search, all I get back are reports from Fox News. Anyone want to clue me in here? This is the quote. Around this time he was being defended by the right for speaking his mind, refusing to be told what to think, etc. They've made him somewhat of a cause because of free speech etc. Tuesday brought us two Kanyes. The first was a man who opened up about his mental health, his family, and his art in a nearly-two hour interview with radio host Charlamagne Tha God. The second was a Kanye who appeared at the TMZ headquarters where he had this to say: "When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... For 400 years? That sounds like a choice." The rapper went on to add: "You were there for 400 years and it's all of y'all. It's like we're mentally imprisoned." www.cnn.com | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On October 13 2018 23:36 Doodsmack wrote: This is the quote. Around this time he was being defended by the right for speaking his mind, refusing to be told what to think, etc. They've made him somewhat of a cause because of free speech etc. www.cnn.com That is an absolutely disgustung thing to say for any human being. Why bring the stupid word "race traitor" into it? It is right up there with saying the Jews chose to be gassed: It doesn't help if an American jew who fled in time says it. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On October 14 2018 01:13 Slydie wrote: That is an absolutely disgustung thing to say for any human being. Why bring the stupid word "race traitor" into it? It is right up there with saying the Jews chose to be gassed: It doesn't help if an American jew who fled in time says it. I expect the line of thought goes something along the lines of emphasising that while Kanye is a person of colour supporting Trump, they emphatically believe he is not advancing the cause of people of colour (and is in fact doing the opposite), despite any claims made to the contrary by himself, Trump, or the right in general. Debunking the idea that "people of colour should support Trump because Kanye has some good reason to do so" isn't an entirely unreasonable concept. | ||
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