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On September 06 2026 15:10 EnDeR_ wrote:
This one isn't hard, use they/them/GH. GH having it in their signature would be helpful but not necessary.
Yep.
My point was if GH doesn’t , performative white knights should not attack those who make mistakes, to make themselves feel important. Not only could people not know, but many of the others have spent over a decade using one, switching habits is not a 100% first try thing.
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You guys do realize that you are on a forum whiteout any genders being assigned to anyone?
These last pages are just embarassing.
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I agree, even being a large part of it. The purity testing performative bullshit is one of the big things slowing down actual progress.
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On September 07 2026 01:24 Velr wrote:
You guys do realize that you are on a forum whiteout any genders being assigned to anyone?
These last pages are just embarassing.
The embarrassing part is that we're having an argument over pronouns for someone that actively sabotages pro-trans rights Democrats by comparing them to Adolf Hitler.
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On September 06 2026 14:30 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2026 13:22 WombaT wrote:On September 06 2026 12:41 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 06 2026 08:12 Billyboy wrote:On September 06 2026 07:48 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 06 2026 02:18 Billyboy wrote:On September 06 2026 01:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 06 2026 01:46 Billyboy wrote:On September 06 2026 01:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 06 2026 01:15 Billyboy wrote:
What do you mean by joining? All I mean by that is that you just called GH by their preferred pronoun, as opposed to refusing to do so. Which is something I never did. I also think as long as GH, chooses to not put it out there via signature, you or anyone else that "corrects" someone who is not using GH's preferred is hurting not helping. These are the types of activities that create enemies not allies. Fleetfeet said to you "Speaking of ally, GH has previously mentioned that their pronouns are "they", presumably they/them/themselves/their etc. Not calling you out because I think you're intentionally being a shitter, just letting you know in case you missed it." I think Fleetfeet was just giving you a heads up as gently as possible, and even proactively offering that you surely weren't being malicious. Why do you think that hurts (not helps) or creates enemies (not allies)? Why would being informed of something like that - especially in such a tactful manner - be taken negatively instead of neutrally or positively? LS is giving you a good set of reasons why. And given GHs history what do you think GHs intentions are? Why won’t GH put it in his sig, instead of of GHs sweet own the lib current one? What actually matters to GH. Since you don’t seem shy on giving advice let me give you some, because it is extremely painful to watch your continuous interactions with GH, it feels like watching an emotionally abusive relationship. GHs questions for you are are never legitimate, GH does not care about what you think and never has. It will either be to set you you up for whatever burn he wants to land or as a disingenuous lead to bring you to his conclusion. And at some point in the conversation you realize this and get upset. Save yourself the pain and the rest of the bad feels and just don’t interact with GH, or at the very least ask a question yourself and don’t move on to Gags next step until he answers you directly. Care about yourself and don’t let GH keep making you a victim, it sucks to watch. Ah, so the answer to my pondering is that I should have just assumed you were being a shitter from square one. Got it. See : respecting pronouns isn't respecting GH, yet you choose not to respect pronouns because you think that means you're disrespecting GH instead of just outing yourself as a shitter. Ironic you're calling anyone else a victim of GH when you've been ignored by them for years and can't get over it/yourself to let it ride, while us sane and balanced people who don't lack the willpower (as evidenced by you request-perming yourself but that still not being enough to keep you away) to choose to post or not post happily just let GH be wrong about the stuff they're wrong about (Such as, currently, trying to pressure an already-irate Wombat into conceding anything). Please perm yourself again. Your reading is fucking bad and understanding is less, nice little tantrum. Go find after your post where I used the wrong pronouns. You likely won’t, though I could have made a mistake, I’ve stated multiple times that I am no using he him with GH out of respect for others who could genuinely care. You are trying so hard to be so accepting that you are kicking people out that could and likely are actual allies. You’re the worst kind of white knight. Grow up. I’m not pressuring wombat into anything. Wombat is his own person who spent years and years defending GH until GH attacked him into what is now. Enjoy being the next person to stand up for GH only to have GH shut on you when you are the only one left willing to talk to GH. Seriously go fuck yourself. On September 06 2026 02:18 Billyboy wrote:
Save yourself the pain and the rest of the bad feels and just don’t interact with GH, or at the very least ask a question yourself and don’t move on to Gags next step until he answers you directly. Care about yourself and don’t let GH keep making you a victim, it sucks to watch.
Somethingsomething irony somethingsomething reading is fucking bad and understanding is less. Bonus points - I was referring to GH making a mistake in pressuring Wombat to concede something, not you. On September 06 2026 08:21 Billyboy wrote:
Nope you missed it completely. Respect the pronouns call GH out for all GHs shitty behaviour, regardless of what group Gh claims to be a part of, or is a part of. This is correct, but I don't know that you're the person for the job. You're emotionally invested. It is definitely a mistake to try to get me concede anything! Equally I do think it’s important to respect GH’s chosen pronouns, and ultimately despite being quite a close community we don’t really know one another at an intimate level. I don’t think anyone can really make a claim that somebody isn’t ’legitimately’ x identity or whatever. Even if they aren’t why give a fuck? Thanks for being a voice for decency on this. Myself and GH may bat heads on the regular but I still hold them in high regard and their wishes in terms of how they wish to be addressed should be respected + Show Spoiler +
Yeah I don't see harm in you trying to set boundaries in conversation w GH and have no problems (obviously) with being loud and angry when it feels like that's what is needed to be heard. I don't take it as you hating GH or being unable to hear them in general - you and I seem similar in that regard. Some days it's right to sit and listen, some days it's right to yell at someone for being a fucker.
I'm glad most people get/got to the point where they can separate the "pronouns" issue from the "GH" issue - Kwark notably respected pronouns in his explanation of why he thinks GH is a larping revolutionary socialist, and I think that's fine.
@billyboy I've made my point. You fucked up pronouns before you knew, were gently corrected, then later claimed to have never been told and that everyone who cares should have pronouns in their sig to make your life easier. And then you fucked up pronouns again. At what point do you think it's correct to assume you're being a shitter on purpose? Now? Maybe after another few tries? Personally, I think it's when you double down and yell at me to point out to you where you fucked up the pronouns (which I did) and then yell at me more instead of recognizing that you fucked up pronouns again.
Yeah, that really is the important bit. Also just how easy it is not to realize when we're doing it. There's an element of "how could we do better?" and how the reflexively defensive posture to the notion is not so much a personal failure as a larger sociological phenomena we have the opportunity to interrupt here. There's also something about the obsession of turning every point I raise into a invitation to attack me instead of the arguments.
If I wanted the attention/personal engagement/to be about me (like some people have deluded themselves to believe) I could bicker with people like Billyboy endlessly like some do/did with oBlade types. That I don't, is something we should all be thankful for. Especially considering how badly so many people wanted/asked for it to stop and clearly only one of us was capable of that.
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On September 07 2026 02:26 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2026 14:30 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 06 2026 13:22 WombaT wrote:On September 06 2026 12:41 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 06 2026 08:12 Billyboy wrote:On September 06 2026 07:48 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 06 2026 02:18 Billyboy wrote:On September 06 2026 01:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 06 2026 01:46 Billyboy wrote:On September 06 2026 01:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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All I mean by that is that you just called GH by their preferred pronoun, as opposed to refusing to do so. Which is something I never did. I also think as long as GH, chooses to not put it out there via signature, you or anyone else that "corrects" someone who is not using GH's preferred is hurting not helping. These are the types of activities that create enemies not allies. Fleetfeet said to you "Speaking of ally, GH has previously mentioned that their pronouns are "they", presumably they/them/themselves/their etc. Not calling you out because I think you're intentionally being a shitter, just letting you know in case you missed it." I think Fleetfeet was just giving you a heads up as gently as possible, and even proactively offering that you surely weren't being malicious. Why do you think that hurts (not helps) or creates enemies (not allies)? Why would being informed of something like that - especially in such a tactful manner - be taken negatively instead of neutrally or positively? LS is giving you a good set of reasons why. And given GHs history what do you think GHs intentions are? Why won’t GH put it in his sig, instead of of GHs sweet own the lib current one? What actually matters to GH. Since you don’t seem shy on giving advice let me give you some, because it is extremely painful to watch your continuous interactions with GH, it feels like watching an emotionally abusive relationship. GHs questions for you are are never legitimate, GH does not care about what you think and never has. It will either be to set you you up for whatever burn he wants to land or as a disingenuous lead to bring you to his conclusion. And at some point in the conversation you realize this and get upset. Save yourself the pain and the rest of the bad feels and just don’t interact with GH, or at the very least ask a question yourself and don’t move on to Gags next step until he answers you directly. Care about yourself and don’t let GH keep making you a victim, it sucks to watch. Ah, so the answer to my pondering is that I should have just assumed you were being a shitter from square one. Got it. See : respecting pronouns isn't respecting GH, yet you choose not to respect pronouns because you think that means you're disrespecting GH instead of just outing yourself as a shitter. Ironic you're calling anyone else a victim of GH when you've been ignored by them for years and can't get over it/yourself to let it ride, while us sane and balanced people who don't lack the willpower (as evidenced by you request-perming yourself but that still not being enough to keep you away) to choose to post or not post happily just let GH be wrong about the stuff they're wrong about (Such as, currently, trying to pressure an already-irate Wombat into conceding anything). Please perm yourself again. Your reading is fucking bad and understanding is less, nice little tantrum. Go find after your post where I used the wrong pronouns. You likely won’t, though I could have made a mistake, I’ve stated multiple times that I am no using he him with GH out of respect for others who could genuinely care. You are trying so hard to be so accepting that you are kicking people out that could and likely are actual allies. You’re the worst kind of white knight. Grow up. I’m not pressuring wombat into anything. Wombat is his own person who spent years and years defending GH until GH attacked him into what is now. Enjoy being the next person to stand up for GH only to have GH shut on you when you are the only one left willing to talk to GH. Seriously go fuck yourself. On September 06 2026 02:18 Billyboy wrote:
Save yourself the pain and the rest of the bad feels and just don’t interact with GH, or at the very least ask a question yourself and don’t move on to Gags next step until he answers you directly. Care about yourself and don’t let GH keep making you a victim, it sucks to watch.
Somethingsomething irony somethingsomething reading is fucking bad and understanding is less. Bonus points - I was referring to GH making a mistake in pressuring Wombat to concede something, not you. On September 06 2026 08:21 Billyboy wrote:
Nope you missed it completely. Respect the pronouns call GH out for all GHs shitty behaviour, regardless of what group Gh claims to be a part of, or is a part of. This is correct, but I don't know that you're the person for the job. You're emotionally invested. It is definitely a mistake to try to get me concede anything! Equally I do think it’s important to respect GH’s chosen pronouns, and ultimately despite being quite a close community we don’t really know one another at an intimate level. I don’t think anyone can really make a claim that somebody isn’t ’legitimately’ x identity or whatever. Even if they aren’t why give a fuck? Thanks for being a voice for decency on this. Myself and GH may bat heads on the regular but I still hold them in high regard and their wishes in terms of how they wish to be addressed should be respected + Show Spoiler +
Yeah I don't see harm in you trying to set boundaries in conversation w GH and have no problems (obviously) with being loud and angry when it feels like that's what is needed to be heard. I don't take it as you hating GH or being unable to hear them in general - you and I seem similar in that regard. Some days it's right to sit and listen, some days it's right to yell at someone for being a fucker.
I'm glad most people get/got to the point where they can separate the "pronouns" issue from the "GH" issue - Kwark notably respected pronouns in his explanation of why he thinks GH is a larping revolutionary socialist, and I think that's fine.
@billyboy I've made my point. You fucked up pronouns before you knew, were gently corrected, then later claimed to have never been told and that everyone who cares should have pronouns in their sig to make your life easier. And then you fucked up pronouns again. At what point do you think it's correct to assume you're being a shitter on purpose? Now? Maybe after another few tries? Personally, I think it's when you double down and yell at me to point out to you where you fucked up the pronouns (which I did) and then yell at me more instead of recognizing that you fucked up pronouns again. Yeah, that really is the important bit. Also just how easy it is not to realize when we're doing it. There's an element of "how could we do better?" and how the reflexively defensive posture to the notion is not so much a personal failure as a larger sociological phenomena we have the opportunity to interrupt here. There's also something about the obsession of turning every point I raise into a invitation to attack me instead of the arguments. If I wanted the attention/personal engagement/to be about me (like some people have deluded themselves to believe) I could bicker with people like Billyboy endlessly like some do/did with oBlade types. That I don't, is something we should all be thankful for. Especially considering how badly so many people wanted/asked for it to stop and clearly only one of us was capable of that.
Eh, it's a bit trickier than that.
I think of Scarlett as a she, and would address her as such, because I never lived through her pronoun change. She was always Scarlett, she/her since I heard of her.
My cousin transitioned fairly recently and I still struggle to think of her as a she. Sometimes I refer to her as him, because I'm recounting a memory of a time that she was still a little boy, in my mind. There's cognitive dissonance there that is not easily overcome. And that is with actual reminder of her being a woman, because she doesn't look anything like the little boy in my memories.
You have no cues, give no reminders and get snarky if someone doesn't remember to call you them/they. They have no mind's eye image of you, and no visual cue to remind them of your changed identity. I think it's less about being queer-friendly and more about it being genuinely hard to remember someone on the internet's pronouns even if they were present and paying attention to the post in which you said you preferred they/them now. Your snark in pointing out what was probably just an honest mistake really doesn't help, and any follow-up doesn't mean hostility to gender-queer people, but should really just be interpreted as hostility to GH, the person. That's not to say some third party reads the exchange and doesn't feel threatened, but honestly, having you as their advocate is probably not a great position to be in.
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