EPTTrump isn't allowed to rename shit with the stroke of a pen. We're not supposed to be a circus operating on decrees. There is a whole process to things and following them would be easy for someone who doesn't want to act as a dictator. its the same childish energy that got hagseth to identify himself as secretary of war.
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Sermokala
United States14217 Posts
Trump isn't allowed to rename shit with the stroke of a pen. We're not supposed to be a circus operating on decrees. There is a whole process to things and following them would be easy for someone who doesn't want to act as a dictator. its the same childish energy that got hagseth to identify himself as secretary of war. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 29 2026 00:04 Jankisa wrote: Uh, oh, I made a mistake to go and see this with my own eyes and scrolled past to the CNN poll asking Republicans who is the greatest republican president. 1. Trump - 53 % 2. Regan - 18 % 3. Lincoln - 8 % This is a real, CNN poll. What. The. Fuck. Surely fucking not? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3410 Posts
On August 29 2026 04:48 Sermokala wrote: If the deficit, bond yeilds, job losses, having to import mystery meat, inflation going up, is "everything going swimmingly" God help us when things get even worse. It's Always Sunny in the Führerbunker | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1842 Posts
As it often be, unfortunately yes: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-crushes-reagan-lincoln-as-republicans-most-admired-president-poll-12376345 | ||
KwarK
United States44398 Posts
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Billyboy
2605 Posts
Crazy that 53% of republicans are of the guy who embodies every bad stereotype of Americans and is openly stealing from them. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24418 Posts
On August 29 2026 07:06 Gorsameth wrote: Republicans support Trump because 'he is hurting the right people'. Doesn't matter that he is destroying their America aswell. They see the US is falling apart/losing its position in the world and recognize Trump as a "lesser evil" that will preserve/revamp the bigotry that ensures that however bad it gets, they'll still ostensibly have it better than "the others". The "stupidest" thing they could do is voluntarily lump themselves into "the others" by sticking up for some trite notion of integrity. | ||
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Billyboy
2605 Posts
On August 29 2026 07:06 Gorsameth wrote: Republicans support Trump because 'he is hurting the right people'. Doesn't matter that he is destroying their America aswell. Most do not even know what’s going on because they are not getting actual information. It’s kind of funny at first, but terrifying when you talk to these people who are hyper confident about things that are blatantly false. | ||
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Introvert
United States5065 Posts
It was an opened ended question asking who the respondent "most admired." So your can see how those two factors could skew things. Obama was higher with Democrats than Trump with Republicans while Lincoln was even lower. I wouldn't read too much into it. https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/18/politics/cnn-poll-presidents-obama-biden-trump | ||
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Billyboy
2605 Posts
Anyone who admires him at this point is either completely down the rabbit hole or an idiot. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3410 Posts
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Billyboy
2605 Posts
I get that losers that only care about superficial shit would find this very appealing. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3518 Posts
On August 29 2026 03:54 oBlade wrote: First: I already said he should have done this to Lake Superior instead of Lake Ontario. Second: "Daddy Trump" is unbefitting a serious adult. The only thing that is going to come of this is of all the icebreakers that work on the lake, 80% of their captains are going to be calling it "Lake America" on the radio and 20% are going to be calling it "Lake Ontario" on the radio. Get a letter addressed to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue if you want to take your frustration out on the person who did it. Third: Your country renamed a street to šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street. You renamed Ryerson University to Toronto Metropolitan University. You renamed the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway to Kichi Zībī Mīkan. That's your own business. I don't live on šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street or go to Toronto Metropolitan University so it doesn't affect me, it's not my business and I don't care. I don't go out of my way to care. If forced to interact with the facts, I might opine that they're self-evidently stupid decisions but otherwise don't let it taint my view of Canada, or the named things, or even the Canadian government on the whole. It does make me note there doesn't seem to be any categorical opposition to renaming. Similarly, what the US government calls a lake cannot become the worry of people who just spammed "Respect our sovereignty." That's rich. I am not saying Trump is "right," I'm observing that it's pathetic to fall right for that bait. And I'm saying: 1) I don't care because I'm not from Lake Ontario and don't live or work near Lake Ontario 2) people strolling along the banks of the Rhine or anywhere else in the world should care even less... if they don't live in the US (or Canada) and aren't citizens, their emotions are being manufactured (assuming there is such a group) 3) the "ick" or risibility of said people is definitely never going to affect or move me, why would it. [...] So yeah this week the lake jumps out as something I'd do differently, Lake Superior instead of Ontario. But people 70% of whose exports go to the US, maybe they shouldn't get distracted by it. Other things look more important at the moment. Again my view is not particularly that he is "right." It's that he's the president and can do that. Years of arguing in bad faith is so wild, dude. I don't get you. I disappear for 6 months and come and you're spouting bs every time. A local university renaming itself because it was associated with a colonizer is not the same thing as a "retaliatory" attempt by the US federal government (ie. 1 man) to rename an International Body of Water. Yeah, respect our f*cking sovereignty. And respect the 200 years of decorum between the two countries. You'd "do it differently"? How about not at all. What "bait" are you talking about dude? | ||
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Billyboy
2605 Posts
OBlades probably dumb enough to think Canada named it 🤣and I shouldn’t say dumb, willfully ignorant would be far more apt. | ||
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dyhb
United States829 Posts
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Billyboy
2605 Posts
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oBlade
United States6623 Posts
On August 29 2026 11:03 Gescom wrote: Years of arguing in bad faith is so wild, dude. I don't get you. I disappear for 6 months and come and you're spouting bs every time. I don't know who you are but I noticed in your introduction of saying I'm spouting BS you glossed over Falling's slippery slope fallacy of what's next, every road in America being named America Street? How will we get directions. But singled me out. Does that obvious falsehood just get a pass because it's an excusable emotional reaction not meant to be taken literally? Let's see where the good and bad faith is. On August 29 2026 11:03 Gescom wrote: A local university renaming itself because it was associated with a colonizer My friend, how much subversive indoctrination have you received. Our countries only exist because they were colonies. The people who built your country were colonizers. There are colonizers and then there are colonizers. Ryerson was not a raping, killing, Leopolding colonizer. The man built schools. People went to the New World and made countries from nothing in the wild frontier. I have no idea the framework of rules where you're expected to erase Ryerson and yet proudly wallow in the cultural appropriation of having things named after indigenous people and named in their languages that we don't speak. Doesn't make sense to me. On August 29 2026 11:03 Gescom wrote: is not the same thing as a "retaliatory" attempt by the US federal government (ie. 1 man) to rename an International Body of Water. Yeah, respect our f*cking sovereignty. He is not renaming it for you. You can call it whatever you want. The US system is that he can do it, the Department of the Interior can do it due to law passed by Congress. (43 US Code 364). You may not like that it's one man but that's our system. So if you're going from a proceduralist angle, sorry he can do it same as Gulf of Mexico. People sometimes do not agree on names. One man's Sea of Japan is another man's East Sea. In France, the English Channel... isn't. It has little chance of becoming the dominant name for a while unless it eventually catches on and others switch. Also I notice you glossed over šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street. Do you live on šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street, or does šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street affect you personally? While singling out Ryerson you seem to think I was born yesterday and would simply miss you completely ignoring šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street. I think a good faith human would at least have been able to agree "you know oBlade you're right, in the case of šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street I think they went a little overboard that's true" instead of pretending šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street never happened. On August 29 2026 11:03 Gescom wrote: And respect the 200 years of decorum between the two countries. At the beginning decorum took a hit with Ford calling Trump a dictator and telling him to kiss his ass. "I am going to call this water America lol." "You can't do that!" "Why not, is it your water?" "Uhhh" On August 29 2026 11:03 Gescom wrote: You'd "do it differently"? How about not at all. You're able to reason with the hypothetical of me being president and whether I should rename it, but you're NOT able to reason with the hypothetical of "Supposing I were to do that, how would I go about it? What's the best way?" - That's a cognitive block. I'm able to. I can think past "I wouldn't do this," see it, go oh that's interesting, and then hypothesize how I might do it. I never thought something else needed to be named America but it's still interesting to consider. Personally if Carney collapsed negotiations at me over "French" issues I would retaliate by demanding Spanish language in Canada or something. But assuming renaming. Are you married to the name "Lake Superior?" What's wrong with my idea? Lake America should be the... one that's the biggest lake in the Americas. Honestly the idea is growing on me. Every time this comes up again it just seems more and more like the unbelievably obvious choice. Now I go, wait a minute, why NOT have a couple things named America? There's Seas of Japans and English Channels. And unlike an ethnonym or a nice borrowed name, Superior just means the big one. So mechanical and dull. Names should do SOMEthing and of those five, Superior is definitely not pulling its weight. It's the odd one out. It's so obvious in hindsight it makes me suspicious of people who don't see it now. You never wondered why it's not called Lake Gichigami? Plus I looked up the etymology of Huron. It began as basically a slur. Michigan and Ontario seem to be redundant. They already have land names. On August 29 2026 11:03 Gescom wrote: What "bait" are you talking about dude? The TV told you to be mad and you swallowed it uncritically with no perspective. You are manifesting free leverage for Trump. Now Canada has to not only negotiate to get the US to stop taxing US companies that import Canadian goods, they have to also negotiate for the US government not calling Lake Ontario Lake America. Otherwise all the people they just riled up about it will go ape. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1842 Posts
Canadians don't care about a petulant child throwing a hissy fit and they most certainty don't care what he renames bodies of water to. It's really revealing how election deniers post reveal how he operates and what matters to him, it's all about him thinking that Trump is triggering people Trump told him he should dislike. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3518 Posts
On August 29 2026 17:13 oBlade wrote:"I am going to call this water America lol." "You can't do that!" "Why not, is it your water?" "Uhhh" Up until the other day, it was OUR water. TOGETHER. Comparing how China and Japan and Taiwan name their things is again, absolutely f*cking wild on your part. Are we (were we?) not the greatest allies in the history of this Earth? No president other than DJT would have pulled any of these stunts. Trying to make sense of it is just mental gymnastics to the Nth degree. On August 29 2026 17:13 oBlade wrote:"Also I notice you glossed over šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street. Do you live on šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street, or does šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street affect you personally? While singling out Ryerson you seem to think I was born yesterday and would simply miss you completely ignoring šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street. I think a good faith human would at least have been able to agree "you know oBlade you're right, in the case of šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street I think they went a little overboard that's true" instead of pretending šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street never happened." Glossed over it because it's an irrelevant false equivalency. But, despite your odd assumptions, I am able to think for myself! I agree that it's "silly"/overboard. On August 29 2026 17:13 oBlade wrote:Personally if Carney collapsed negotiations at me over "French" issues I would retaliate by demanding Spanish language in Canada or something. French is an official language in Canada and we have a French province. There is no US equivalency. Besides, no issue should be created in the first place. We had a deal (CUSMA). What are you getting at with these kinds of statements? You're arguing as though any of this makes an iota of sense. The Conservative camp seems to have an amazing talent at gaslighting and eroding reality one day at a time. I even find your musings on Lake Superior to be absolutely bizarre -- feels like some exercise in normalizing the situation. "Oh, well, I wouldn't have done it exactly like this, but here's why randomly renaming an international body of water that has stood for 300y in a tantrum makes 80% sense. Here's the 20% change I'd personally make. See guys -- I can criticize Trump!!" Same thing with the Sea of Japan. Like, wow man. People are talking again like we don't share the world's longest undefended border with 200y of peace and prosperity. Like it never happened. | ||
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